Talk:Nizami Ganjavi

Nizami Ganjavi Name in Azerbaijan

As Nizami was from city of Ganja, Azerbaijan deleting his name in Azerbijani langauge with statement "Nothing to do with him as a person or his works" is more looks like POV[2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirhasanov (talk • contribs) 16:02, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

That logic. I guess that means we should add Arabic in the lede of every ancient Mesopotamian ruler? They were born in present-day Iraq after all. Stop spamming so many talk pages with your irredentist nonsense. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:36, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I suggest we just ignore this user (in accordance with WP:DENY) since it's clear now that they are a WP:SPA account and thus, not here to build an encyclopedia. However, they should be reported to ANI the very next time they disrupt Wikipedia with their nationalistic rants.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:59, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2020

Nizami Ganjavi is not a Persian poet. He was an Azerbaijanian poet who was born in Ganja, Azerbaijan and lived there all his life. He wrote his poems with pseudonyme Ganjavi in persian language, as this language was an official language for access to palaces. His mausoleum is situated in Ganja so far. https://azerbaijan.travel/en/place/129-the-nizami-ganjavi-mausoleum LamiyaAbasova (talk) 06:13, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done @LamiyaAbasova: To say that Nizami Ganjavi is Azerbaijanian & not a Persian poet would be an anachronism. Check the History of Azerbaijan to see that it simply did not exist as its own enity at the time & was ruled by Persia. To indicate that Nizami Ganjavi was an Azerbaijanian would be akin to saying that the Salem Witch Trials occured in the United States, that Robert the Bruce was British, or that Melodium was Italian when it sided with Carthage. None of this would be historically accurate. Peaceray (talk) 18:28, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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@Peaceray: Then, you should not write it as Persian either, as Persian is related to nationality or ethnic group to which Nizami did not belong to. He was born during the time of Eldiguzids or Seljuk Empire as mentioned in the article as well, and these states were Turkic. So if you do not want to write Azerbaijani, you can replace it with the word Turkic. Note also that, today those Turks in Ganja are called Azerbaijani despite the fact that they were Eldiguzids or Seljuks back then. In any case, Persian is too wrong name for Nizami. Aydan B-va (talk)

>>as Persian is related to nationality or ethnic group to which Nizami did not belong to

Except that he did belong to Persian ethnic group, as shown not just by the fact that he exclusively wrote in Persian, but also more importantly by the fact that Ganja was an overwhelmingly ethnic Persian inhabited city during Nizami's time, via the following primary historical source (a man born in 13th century Ganja) found in the article: The Armenian historian Kirakos Gandzaketsi (c. 1200 – 1271) mentions that: "This city was densely populated with Iranians and a small number of Christians"

Saying that anyone born under a Turkic state was Turkic is a fallacy; its like saying that everyone born under Russian Empire or Austrian Empire was Russian or German respectively. The entire article here has countless more sources (from Western and Russian historians) supporting the fact that Nizami was an ethnic Persian and not a Turk. --Qahramani44 (talk) 22:18, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Jesus and the Dead Dog

Persian depictions of Europeans that are critical of their religious attitudes are all but unknown. Possibly the only exception is an illustration in the edition of Nizami's Makhzan al-asrar which relates to the parable of Jesus and the Dead Dog. I suggest adding this to the Makhzan-ol-Asrâr section. SoulGardener (talk) 12:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2020

Nizami Ganjavi as can be seen from the name is Azerbaijani poet that was born in Azerbaijan territories. Cannot be stated as Persian poet. It is misleading! 5.197.211.44 (talk) 16:48, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

You would need to point to some really good reliable sources for that, as we already cite reliable sources for the current statement. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Nizami Ganjavi is Azerbaijani Turk

How could Nizami, who said "the Turkish state once rose like a mountain" serve the Arabs or Persians? He writes in Khosrov and Shirin: “My Turkishness does not go to Abyssinia. People don't like tasty dovga. " AzərbaycanTürküAze (talk) 07:54, 26 March 2021 (UTC)