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Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I wanted to ask you how you can reduce the contents' size, I want to make more subheadings on List of Kuruluş: Osman characters but I'm worried the contents will become too long and it will make the article hard to navigate. Limorina (talk) 21:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Limorina. Not quite sure what you mean. If you are talking about something like WP:TOOBIG you are far from there yet. I guess you could delete the casting section, it's not very good and is more often seen in articles for the tv-series themselves, I think. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, it's OK now, I found what I was looking for (Template:TOC limit). Limorina (talk) 12:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Excellent! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes would u reduce the content size plz Rose Bulma (talk) 13:44, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

WP 20

Thank you for good wishes! - Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey

I'm not sure if this qualifies to be included here but thought maybe you would know? CUPIDICAE💕 20:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Praxidicae in disguise! Per the guidance at Wikipedia:Press coverage, I'd put it at Talk:Nicholas Alahverdian instead, like so:[1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! :) CUPIDICAE💕 21:14, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Capitol punishment

Capitol punishment

Capital punishment

Capital punishment

Butting in! Romans 1:26-27 is the only place in the Bible lesbianism is referred to and there is no capitol punishment associated with that NT verse. People who get bent out of shape over homosexuality extend the umbrella of Leviticus etc. but that's their assumption. It isn't stated. Just thought you might want to know. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:44, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Jenhawk777 Thank you very much. The more I look at that article, the more it annoys me, it's a real fixer-upper. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Then get going dude! I will swing by and kibbitz after I am finished making waves where I am. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:43, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I may, at some point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:44, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Nice stuff Rose Bulma (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks yet again

Hello GGS. I learned of Christopher Plummer's death an hour ago. Of the many performances filling my memory his General Chang in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country is prominent among them. It makes me grateful that you created Shakespeare and Star Trek and I have sent links to it to a couple friends to read it today. Best regards and have a nice weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 22:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

MarnetteD 91 years. Maybe he gets to meet the Bard and talk theatre over a few pints. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:32, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

That would be wonderful! MarnetteD|Talk 23:34, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

MarnetteD: Spiking! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Yowza! That is wonderful G. MarnetteD|Talk 19:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's!

[[file: Box of Valentine Chocolates	center]]	Hello Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Jenhawk777 has given you a metaphorical box of chocolates, for Valentine's Day as a token of her great affection and appreciation of you as a friend, mentor and exemplary editor.! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a metaphorical box of chocolates! Enjoy! "Sweets for the sweet."
	Happy Valentine's Day from your friend Jenny

Sweet! Thank you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Please

Hi, we talked to you before about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's brothers/sisters. I added later (other sisters/brothers) But a user said they were unnecessary and undone. You look at the page please? (I talked him, but now no anything answer)Ata Barış (talk) 19:54, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	Thank you for your kind help and very clear instruction throughout this very complex process. Of note, I appreciate you vetting additional sources I did not even know about to secure additional support for my article. Barrychoward (talk) 15:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Greetings Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Hope you are well. Would you mind taking a look at my current work on the HSC page? I have read through the Wiki guide links you sent regarding notability and verifiablity. It seems like I've cleared out the fluff, and have gone heavy on relevant citations. I will admit that there are not a huge amount of 'secondary' sources that are unrelated to the sector that reference HSC....but the corpus of what is there, is hopefully indicative of a real an viable entity deserving its place on wikipedia. As I've examined other, smaller organizations throughout wiki, many are younger, less established and less "notable" than HSC (subjective analysis of course...but pretty clear in many cases), and somehow they were approved. Many do not have nearly the citations that are in my article (even if the HSC site citations were completely removed), and I do see that many, many organizations cite their own website pages in their article...though of course, always with some other sources justifying their presence otherwise...which I think is the case with HSC. I appreciate any further advice you can give, or if I am ready for a possible publication review. Barrychoward (talk) 17:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Barrychoward I'm fine, hope you are too. Looking at other WP-articles for inspiration can be helpful, but. To put it bluntly, for a variety of reasons, WP has a lot of crap. "Rules" have become more strict as WP has aged, and there's a lot of stuff that is imperfect according to our current standards, while new stuff gets more scrutiny. Far from perfect, but pretty much how it is. We (surprise!) have some advice at WP:Other stuff exists. In short, if you're comparing to other WP-stuff, try to compare to good WP-stuff.

You've been working hard. I haven't looked at your sources in detail ("Facebook Groups"? You should look into that one, FB is mostly awful for WP-stuff), but here are some comments:

WP:LEAD, this should be a summary of the important bits in the article, in general there should be nothing here that isn't expanded on in the body.

This is unkind after badgering you about sources, but see WP:Citation overkill. A reviewer is meant to go through these, and you don't want to make their life too difficult.

As I see it, stuff like "There is no fee for new Honorary Members, and HSC does not engage a formal fundraising function" also has a hint of "fluff". You are a part of this org, and that shines through in the text, it's how you would present yourself in your own material, not how spying Martians would describe you. I'm vague, but perhaps you get my meanining. Last year I encountered someone at the Teahouse who asked for help creating an article about them. I looked into it, and created Dede Wilson (baker). It's probably not all that she hoped for, but OTOH no one has nominated it for deletion. On a similar note I created Kratu (dog), that was fun. "No, of course we're not going to have an article about your do... Ok, The Times knows who he is."

Hope this helps some. I'm not sure the draft will pass a review, but it may, and I think you should try submitting it. If you want to give it a go, add {{subst:submit}} at the top of your draft, this adds a template, and then wait (but check where it says "Improving your odds of a speedy review"). Perhaps edit something completely different you're interested in meanwhile. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:40, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång this in extremely helpful, and gives me perspective on the evolution of scrutiny, as well as how to balance the citations. "spying Martians" is an excellent metaphor for the approach, and I do see my own fluff in there. I'll keep honing it and incorporate your suggestions. Really appreciate the time you took to give me some updated analysis!Barrychoward (talk) 15:16, 8 March 2021 (UTC) I chopped the first paragraph down to the bare bones description of what is included in the body of the article. Reduced the number of citations, removing anything that was referenced in minor way, or by a lineage society, or with HSC's own website (except for 2 later in the body). Added a governance section because it was removed from the opening paragraph, but is a factual element of the entity. Further reduced anything in the body seemed "advertisement" or self serving. For some reason it will not let me publish the changes and I keep getting an error message "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404)" Not sure what's going on.Barrychoward (talk) 02:20, 9 March 2021 (UTC) NVM, I had to relog in and copy and paste my changes. Feel free to review when you have time. Thanks so much.Barrychoward (talk) 02:58, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Ghodasgaon, Jalgaon

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Hi can you change my Draft name from Draft: Ghodasgaon (District - Jalgaon) to Ghodasgaon, Jalgaon. 106.195.15.141 (talk) 12:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I won't, I'm not a reviewer. New messages on a talkpage goes at the bottom, and you never have to WP:PING people at their own talkpage, it has no (extra) effect. I'd ping you, but unregistered users can't be pinged. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

A belated thank you

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Back in December you engaged with my brother Dave about the article on Frederick S. Jaffe. In the course of that, you pointed us to a few search results ([5], [6])that were truly valuable. We discovered archival records that we didn't know existed, including our father's response to the same criticisms that we're trying to address today. Those sources strengthen our draft text.

You also suggested that we try WP:APPNOTEing a few places to get others' opinions. It's taken me months to wrap my head around that suggestion, but I'm finally beginning to move on it. I'm not sure how to phrase the request, but I'm in contact with several library contacts who can help. So, once again, a belated thank you! Rickjaffe (talk) 06:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Rickjaffe and thank you for your message. I see now I said in December that I would comment on the latest proposal, but I forgot that at some point (or suppressed, it doesn't look much fun from my POV). Now that you've reminded me, I'll make an effort.

Glad it helped. It seems that something "used" by a senator in congress should have a place in the article in some form.

Another thing: Have you considered "donating" an image for the article? If you or someone else have a picture they have taken, that person can upload it with the process that starts here. That is a link to Commons, a sister-site to WP where we keep free images. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:21, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Gråbergs Gråa Sång for taking another look. We have a beautiful photo taken in uniform in the 1940's. If that were an Army (i.e. Federal Gov't) photo, there would be no copyright. We also have a photo from the 1970's, but I don't know who took that. I'll look into copyright on both. Rickjaffe (talk) 18:31, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

No Good Deed...?

Hi... Thank you sincerely for helping me get started a bit over a week ago. And since no good deed goes unpunished, I'm hoping I might ask for additional advice? You made a couple edits in my first article and that was very encouraging...so I've been doing simple stuff with growing confidence. (And some, not so confident.) Anyway, basic article is a work-in-progress in my "sandbox" and I've got more images to upload. And I have raw text for a sidebar "highlights of career" block (but don't know how to create?) There must be directions on how to build the sidebar? And second question: Is is bad form to upload a poor quality image as a place-holder for a higher-quality image that will replace it before "publication?" (Or should I just wait for the good pix?) Thank you again. (I will try not to abuse your prior kindness too often!) (Oh, the draft is in User:Richard Furwood/sandbox) Richard Furwood (talk) 18:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Actually - a third question: Is it safe to keep working in my "sandbox?" Sometimes when I'm looking for it, a "bot" says I "don't have a sandbox" and sometimes it says I "don't have a 'user page' either!" Pilot error (and ignorance) I know. Thanks Richard Furwood (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Richard Furwood. My own method for sidebar here would be to find an decent article on a similar topic, like David Farragut, and copy the code used there, filling it with the relevant data. I think you may want Template:Infobox military person. Does that help?

Pix are tbh not that important (well, there's copyright etc), so whatever you feel best. The article does not have to be perfect, so a particular image should not stop you. I'd recommend shrinking the big images to a more traditional size.

I don't know why the bot says that you don't have a sandbox, but that page is as safe as anything on-WP. But you don't have a userpage, that's why your signature has a redlink. If you want one, click the redlink, write something and publish. Doing so indicates somewhat that you're not that much of a newbie.

You may be aware of this, but: When you're ready, you can either submit your draft for review by placing {{subst:submit}} at the top of it (then click the button in the template that appeared). OR you can WP:BOLDly WP:MOVE it to mainspace yourself. The first method is recommended for new editors, the second gets your article into mainspace quicker, but can of course be reverted if someone disagrees with it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:22, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

All of that worked! Huzzah! (And thank you.) One (final?) question: In editing... I "bumped" the "Contents" box up to the top of the page...and now I can't find it in either "Visual" or "source" -- How can I move it back where it belongs? (Someone else, perhaps you, created it for me on day-one, and it was perfect, so no need to change -- except position.) Gracias! Richard Furwood (talk) 20:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Newbie Dumb Q2

In spite of your clear directions... I'm not doing something (anything?) right... Trying to submit my draft 1st article to the "review process"... I started the but... I didn't know what to do...next... and thought I might "break" my draft... And after it goes into "review" -- how can I watch, or even find it again? (See: "Newbie!" is right.) Richard Furwood (talk) 21:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

OH! I didn't get THAT box to pop up. Clearly pilot error. Richard Furwood (talk) 21:27, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Richard Furwood, you seem to have fixed the TOC problem above. About {{subst:submit}}. Copypaste it as it appears in this comment, double coathangers to double coathangers (at the top of your article). The nowiki bits disables it, they are for when you want the text, not the effect. Finding and watching your draft will not be a problem. You may have use for WP:WATCHLIST. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

And I see now that you (Richard) hilariously submitted this talkpage as an article. Dan arndt I don't see how you could possibly decline, clearly the encyclopedic value is immense. As the old saying goes, try to teach someone to fish and they'll sink your boat. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:58, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Couldn't exactly work out what was going with the AfC, seemed a bit strange to be on your talkpage but what the hell I've seen weirder things when editing WP. Have fun with your noobie. Dan arndt (talk) 09:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

And thanks for your assistance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Huzzah! Moved the draft to someplace called "Draft:William J. McCluney" Now I guess I just............ (Thank you, sincerely.) Richard Furwood (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Richard Furwood Yeah, but you still haven't submitted it for review. Add the {{subst:submit}} thing to Draft:William J. McCluney. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

I did! But obviously not correctly... Will try again. Thanks. Richard Furwood (talk) 17:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Richard Furwood This link WP:SUBMIT should achieve the same goal is the other thing gives you problems. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:35, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

You did it! Now check the template where it says "Improving your odds of a speedy review". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Will do. Tnx! Richard Furwood (talk) 17:39, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

I "tagged" Military History, Biography, Japan...and was looking for more...when the page changed gave me options about "draft" and other questions??? Should I do something...more? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Furwood (talk • contribs) 18:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

You can move/change your "Main article" links a little, customary it's a template at the top of the section, you can see some eamples at United States Army. If you have weblinks to more of your refs, you could add those. WP:PAYWALLed is ok. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Jozo Zovko

Hello Gråbergs - I am still needing your help on Jozo Zovko's page. I am removing duplication and primary, non independent sources along with the words, if they contradict the words from an excellent reliable source. Also removing questionable sources and adding citation needed as necessary. Please help again. Here is the talk page. Slp1 is the editor who is kindly guiding us on the Our Lady of Medjugorje page. Red Rose 13 (talk) 22:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)