Talk:Frozen II

This article should have stayed as a draft

User:Czar made a major error by moving this draft into the English Wikipedia article mainspace. None of the reliable sources on the entertainment industry (THR, TheWrap, Variety, Deadline, etc.) or the animation industry (CartoonBrew, Animation World Network, Animation Network) has reported that Frozen 2 has moved into actual production. Based on the most recent reports from reliable sources, it is still in development. As anyone familiar with the development of animated films is well aware, often what happens is that a major star (in this case, Kristen Bell) is sometimes attached to the project very early (as actually occurred with her on Frozen) and agrees to record his or her voice track relatively early, at the same time other unknown actors (or even crew members from around the studio) are recording scratch voices for the animatic/Leica reel based on early drafts of the screenplay. That says nothing about whether the film will ever be greenlighted by the studio's senior management for actual production. The way to determine whether the film has escaped development hell and entered actual production is when the studio officially commits to a release date and begins to announce the identities of cast members (that is, A-list or B-list actors who are working on replacing the scratch voices in the animatic), and the studio's personnel begin to release photos and posts on social media hinting about the film they are currently working on. For example, that's what happened with Moana, and several Disney animators have already disclosed on social media that they are busy because the film is in production. In contrast, Gigantic has a release date but it's slipped from March to November 2018, and the studio has been conspicuously silent about the cast. Once they fix whatever issue caused the release date to slip, then they will start casting stars and loudly announcing them to build buzz around the film. --Coolcaesar (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

See my comments on my talk page. The move was a reasonable fulfillment of a technical request. If you want to contest what counts as production, that's a content dispute for you to take up with the editors.  czar 18:55, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@Coolcaesar: It's not that always THR, TheWrap, Variety, or Deadline reports about the start of filming, even they usually doesn't. Studios also don't announce the start of filming sometimes, and I've seen it announced by the film's cast. There are more than two sites confirming that they are working on the film, so it could be a rumor or true but I've not seen an official announcement in the last three years for a single animated film. Sometimes we know about them (animated films) when their production has been completed, sometimes they are in the middle, blah blah.... So, don't worry about it, it's an animated film, and they usually don't announce their production start date. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 11:50, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I do worry because you have no respect for Wikipedia's core policies like WP:NOT, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, and WP:V, as well as the guideline WP:RS. Conform your edits immediately, or you will be banned permanently and all your edits will be reverted on sight. Every editor who has attempted to launch a direct challenge to WP core policies has been banned very quickly. In particular, Wikipedia is not a soapbox and it does not republish rumors published by unreliable sources.

The only thing that has been reported by reliable sources (I've watched Bell's interview video which was posted online back in March) is that Kristen Bell has admitted that (1) she was about to start recording her lines and (2) the filmmakers finally got the story to a point where it begins to make sense. All that implies is that Bell and a bunch of scratch actors have recorded a bunch of voice tracks and those tracks have probably been synced to storyboard frames to form an animatic stored on one of Disney's four secure server farms somewhere in California. But that says nothing about whether the film is in production.

The sites you refer to are all obviously unreliable sources under WP:RS. It appears that you are utterly incapable of distinguishing between reliable and unreliable sources.

Also, you just confirmed that you are completely ignorant of how animated films are made when you said "they usually don't announce their production start date." It's usually when they announce their release date that they have or are about to move from development into production. It's also clear that you don't actually follow social media posted by any major film studio or anyone who works in the film industry, or you would have realized that people actively working on production of a film that has already been announced for a release date love to brag about that fact (and the studios tolerate those disclosures as long as no major plot details are revealed since it helps get the studios' fan base excited about the film). --Coolcaesar (talk) 23:36, 11 July 2016 (UTC)