*'''Posted''' with revised blurb. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 09:41, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' with revised blurb. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 09:41, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' too many terrorism-related entries at ITN lately. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 23:01, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' too many terrorism-related entries at ITN lately. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 23:01, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
*:Time to start ignoring this user's entries here which seem determined to disrupt the process. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 23:34, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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Turkish Prime MinisterAhmet Davutoğlu says the body of the pilot from the Sukhoi Su-24 jet downed this past Tuesday will be handed over to Russia. The body is being treated in accordance with the Orthodox tradition. Russia's military attaché is going to Hatay in southern Turkey as part of the procedures to recover the remains. Turkish officials refused to comment on how they came to be in possession of the body. (Reuters)
Turkey agrees with leaders of the European Union to help stem the flow of migrants to Europe in return for cash and visas, and renewal of talks on joining the EU. A key element is 3 billion euros ($3.2 billion) in EU aid for the 2.2 million Syrians now in Turkey. (Reuters)
About 20,000 pairs of empty shoes lay around Paris, symbolizing the absent marchers who would have joined this weekend's worldwide climate change protests pressing for a bold international agreement at the upcoming climate summit there. The capital city was planned to be the center for demonstrations but French police banned large protests following the terrorist attacks this month. (The Washington Post), (The Daily Mirror)
Oppose on quality. The article as it stands is woefully inadequate. Also, do we normally post Davis Cups, since it's not at ITN/R? If not, why should be post this one? Fgf10 (talk) 22:13, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Nergaal: By using that as your oppose rationale you seem to be conceding this otherwise meets the criteria for posting; us that the case? If you feel there are too many of one type of event posted, please nominate other events more to your liking. 331dot (talk) 23:31, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Music items at ITNC are very are, and this album actually seems to have surprised even those in the field by how well it sold. I think this is one of these rare commercial news about breaking records that actually works for ITN. Nergaal (talk) 16:40, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support A well referenced and comprehensive article that deserves spotlight on the main page. However, the blurb should reflect that it speaks about US sales. Have proposed alt-blurb. Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:53, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, but we cannot be sure it does so everywhere or world-wide, so the blurb cannot simply say "fastest selling ever". Listing the countries is also not practical if there are too many. Zwerg Nase (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose I rather not give weight to fastest album sales as I prefer it to go to all time sales but Wikipedia gave ITN to GTA V for the fastest first day sale in videogame sales 2 years ago but that was for all medias. Donnie Park (talk) 17:52, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Love Adele, but this seems to be an artifact of the ease of online-downloading and a change in Billboards sales metrics in December 2014 which added in online sales for the first time. This will necessarily have the effect of front-loading sales for newly released works by established artists. No going to the mall to see the album is out-of-stock, just download from your cellphone as you drive on the interstate. μηδείς (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm not convinced of the notability of first week sales, especially since the world ain't getting any smaller, and content delivery is getting dramatically faster and easier - but if what Medeis says is true and there has been a change in how sales metrics are obtained, then that more or less nullifies it for me. Not sure how I'll feel if this turns into an all-time sales record, but I see no reason it couldn't be renominated if it does. - OldManNeptune⚓20:08, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - As said, even when record-breaking, I don't see how this something "special" meets ITN standards. Anyone can download the whole album from Google Play or Amazon or any other website, making it most downloaded album of all-time, but that's nothing compared to owning a physical copy. We can wait for either CDs to be dominant again as it was before downloading came along or a newer physical format, i.e. something innovative, to compete downloading and streaming. Or perhaps we'll find a non-Western fastest-selling album of all-time to counter this "special" news. George Ho (talk) 20:11, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support In general we have too few cultural-related stories on the front page compared to sports events; there is practically always one sports event included, while much more seldom anything related to music. This is a very good example of a relevant music-related events; it's nice to sometimes have something a bit different from just the awards events. And the interest and coverage of Adele's album has been extraordinay and the sources for the record sale appear valid as far as I can see. (Billboard), (New York Times) Iselilja (talk) 20:40, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is actually of little surprised based on the performance of "Hello", and also what I consider vanity as other !voters have suggested. --MASEM (t) 20:44, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose trivia, would make a great DYK. P.S. Why single out the US as the country where it had the most sales ever in the first week? The same happened in the UK.... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:49, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - So what? As per editors above. Furthermore, no reason to mention the US records, but not the records in other countries. Also, IMNSHO Adele is the most overrated singer in recent history, but I digress.....Fgf10 (talk) 22:11, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: This is a significant event for a country that rarely gets mentioned by any news providers and it's notable for Africa more generally as it's not often that people have successfully overthrown their government and gone on to hold democratic elections Monopoly31121993 (talk) 12:10, 29 November 2015 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]
Russian President Vladimir Putin signs a decree imposing economic sanctions on Turkey. The sanctions include a ban on charter flights from Russia to Turkey, that Russian tour operators should stop selling trips to Turkey, and that imports of some Turkish products are to be halted. All work visas for Turkish citizens are cancelled.(Irish Times)
Colorado Springs Police Chief Peter Carey says all nine of the injured – five police officers and four civilians – are listed in good condition at area hospitals. (Reuters)
Nominator's comments: Since people decided to keep "European migrant crisis", perhaps we should reinsert this main event, which led to the Crisis in Europe and then attacks in Paris. Although editing has been low, Syria has been discussed frequently, and I don't know why else except the Civil War and Assad clan, including Bashar. However, I am torn, so I'll leave the decision to you all. George Ho (talk) 23:56, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support in the last few months, on any given day this war or its consequences dominated the headlines, and will likely do so in the foreseeable future. 87.154.212.110 (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
oppose this article is not appropriate for ongoing, as no significant additions or changes or updates have been made in over 2 weeks, other than minor wording and grammar changes. Find an article which is getting constant, continuous updates. The purpose of ITN is to highlight new Wikipedia content. This article doesn't have any updated content.--Jayron3201:36, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak oppose What Lihaas says matches with what I know of the subject, but I believe Iceland and Norway refused to sign the 1986 IWC moratorium on commercial whaling, while Japan is bound to the moratorium and has allegedly circumvented it via scientific harvesting, so it's not directly comparable. Nevertheless, I don't think it's significant unless some kind of action is taken against Japan. If sanctions or some other significant action is taken, I'd likely support posting that. - OldManNeptune⚓20:16, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Casualties reported but its also ongoing. All in light of the World War now underway. We can change the blurb as time goes by. Before ya'll comment "not updated", that's preculuded. It depends on the updates coming in, but im working on it. Lihaas (talk) 08:48, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - a minor skirmish in a much larger war with thousands of dead. The UN force has been attacked multiple times, with 44 soldiers having been killed in the last two years. 87.154.210.140 (talk) 14:11, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support - While it is an attack on a UN installation, we should consider that that this is part of the larger conflict in that region that has been going on for some time, so it might not be as significant as it seems. But given the staleness of ITN in the last few days, its reasonable. --MASEM (t) 14:55, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think the main question is "so what"? Is this a story that our readers will be looking for? If it's not anywhere near the main pages of major news outlets, I doubt it. It seems to be minor and the article is just above stub quality. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:56, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ITN items do not require to be at the top of any news site, just that they are covered by reliable news sources (CNN easily qualifies). Dismissing a story just because it is not front page news everywhere is not a valid reason to oppose. I'd also suggest against avoiding trying to determine if it is the type of story that our readers might be interested in. We should be aiming for diversity in both topic and geography, not primarily on interest. --MASEM (t) 20:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is a moot point since it's never getting on the main page, but is it "a UN" or "an UN"? The latter spelling seems like it would only make sense if it were pronounced phonetically rather than by spelling it out, which generally is not the case.--WaltCip (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Malianforces arrest two men in their early 30s linked to a cell phone found at the scene of last week's deadly hotel attack. No details are provided on what their exact role was. (CNN)
Two Palestinian drivers drive their vehicles into groups of Israeli soldiers in two separate attacks in the occupied West bank. Both drivers are shot dead. In this current wave of violence that began in October, 19 Israelis, one U.S. citizen, and 93 Palestinians have died. (Reuters)
Pirates attack a Polish-owned cargo ship off the coast of Nigeria, kidnapping its captain and four crew. Polish Foreign Minister, Witold Waszczykowski, said the as yet unidentified kidnappers have made no demands so far and Poland was currently liaising with Nigerian authorities. (Reuters)
A new study shows Greece's six-year austerity program is even affecting prostitution. Gregory Laxos, a sociology professor at the Panteion University in Athens, told the Times of London the going rate for sex with a prostitute was 50 euros ($53) when the economic crisis began. Now, it’s fallen to as low as two euros ($2.12) for a 30-minute session, or to a cheese pie, a sandwich because they are hungry. (Washington Post)
At least 87 homes have been lost in the fires that started in Pinery, South Australia which also claimed two lives and hospitalised 90 with five people in a critical condition. (ABC News Australia)
The appellate prosecutors office in the Polish city of Kraków decides not to appeal a decision against extraditing filmmaker Roman Polanski to the United States to face prosecution for historic child sex offences. (Reuters)
China's paramount leaderXi Jinping announced a major overhaul of China’s military to make the world’s largest army more combat ready and better equipped to project force beyond the country’s borders. Under the reorganization, all branches of the armed forces would come under a joint military command. The Chinese Communist leader said the reform aimed to "build an elite combat force" and called on the officials to make "breakthroughs" on establishing the joint command by 2020, Xinhua said. (Bloomberg)
Belgian authorities reduce the threat level in Brussels from its highest level of four to three. The escalation to level four came after suspects in the ISIL attacks in Paris were linked to the city. Suspected Paris gunman, Salah Abdeslam, who lived in Brussels for several years, remains at large. (BBC)
Martin Shkreli'sTuring Pharmaceuticals is reneging on its pledge to cut the $750-per-pill price for Daraprim, a medication that has been marketed for 62 years. Instead, the biotech company is reducing what it charges hospitals, by up to 50 percent, for this parasitic infection treatment. Imprimis Pharmaceuticals, a pharmacy that compounds prescription drugs for individual patients, started selling a custom-made version of Pyrimethamine, the chemical name for Daraprim, for 99 cents per capsule. Impris reports orders are pouring in from doctors. (AP via Washington Post)
A sinkhole the size of a football field swallows a large section of beach on Australia's North Stradbroke Island. Local authorities have warned beach-goers to stay away from Jumpinpin beach due to fears the sinkhole could grow even larger. (The Guardian)
Pope Francis condemns the way young people have been "radicalized in the name of religion to sow discord and fear," during a talk in Nairobi, Kenya. (Washington Post)
Pope Francis celebrates a historic Mass in Kenya before delivering a stern environmental warning to the world. "It would be sad, and I dare say even catastrophic, were particular interests to prevail over the common good and lead to manipulating information in order to protect their own plans and projects," the Pope said, urging nations to reach agreement over curbing fossil fuelemissions. (CNN)
Queen Elizabeth II (U.K.) arrives in Malta for the Commonwealth summit what begins tomorrow. The then-future Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh lived on the island from 1949-51. The Commonwealth is a group of 53 nations; most member states were once part of the British Empire, and 16 retain the Queen as head of state. (Telegraph)
Several trucks are left burning at a rebel-run border crossing on the Syrian-Turkish border after a Russian airstrike hit what was reported to be an aid convoy in the town of Azaz. At least seven people are reportedly killed. (Reuters)(Daily Sabah)
Several American personnel are suspended after an official report finds that human error was to blame for an airstrike on a Doctors without Borders hospital in the Afghan city of Kunduz in October that killed 30 people. No criminal charges were filed. (CNN)
Russia's Gazprom halts gas supplies to Ukraine until the Ukrainian government pays in advance for future supplies to replenish the current supplies of gas that it has used up; Ukraine says it has stopped buying from Gazprom because it can get cheaper gas from Europe. Roughly 15% of the gas used in Europe travels through Ukraine, and a previous cut-off of gas supplies in 2009 caused serious disruptions in shipments to EU countries at the height of winter. (Sky News)(BBC)
The Associated Press reports that Russia's crackdown on Muslims is fueling their exodus to ISIS. For example, Russia's southernmost republic of Dagestan keeps devout Muslims under surveillance, routinely raids their homes, and hauls them to police stations to give DNA samples and fingerprints. Regional police say nearly a third of the estimated 3,000 Russians who are believed to have gone to fight alongside IS militants in Syria are from Dagestan. The AP added, "Few efforts are made by Russian authorities to stop young men from leaving." (AP)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former undisputed cruiserweight champion in boxing. Died unexpectedly, having been shot to death in a robbery. Kudzu1 (talk) 09:11, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If his death was unexpected, it should get a blurb, which I'm not sure is warranted here; I'm not sure he was 'very important' to his field. Article is also very slim at the moment. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality and merits; while perhaps above average I don't think he was "very important" to boxing. Article quality is also not there. 331dot (talk) 20:36, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed; I would look for, did this person pioneer a notable boxing style, influence other boxers, awards, etc. Winning belts is expected of most boxers. 331dot (talk) 23:15, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Remove European migrant crisis from ongoing?
My previous proposal to remove European migrant crisis as ongoing did not go well, despite two supports and two opposes. This time, even when Paris attacks affects the crisis, there have not been frequent updates lately. In fact, editing has slowed down. Whether the crisis is in the news frequently no longer matters. I checked recent developments and found nothing new... except typical politics. If removed, this leaves Paris attacks aftermath the only ongoing event in the Main Page. That shouldn't affect the Main Page, should it? --George Ho (talk) 22:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The undertones of the migrant crisis continue, and there are news items that say some variant of "in the aftermath of the Paris attacks we should restrict immigration from Muslim refugees", which is definitely related to the migrant crisis. That said, other items are dominating the news right now. Banedon (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose At least in Germany, this is still very much top of the news every day. There have been major developments in the last few days, for instance in Sweden. No updates to the article is not a reason to take this off ITN, but rather to get to it and add the new information. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as well. The situation is escalating also because several countries have now declared that they will only accept people fleeing from war zones. So there are new developments all the time. --Tone14:55, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
keep I just looked at two national news media websites in my country, and the refugee crisis was still on the front page of both today. Thue (talk) 16:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - While in principle I agree with you, some time ago we removed the Southeast Asian Haze from ongoing because of a lull in editing. Banedon (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support The reason to keep something in ongoing is for an article receiving frequent updates, not because it is just in the news. The editing rate on the article has drastically slowed down so it is no longer appropriate for ongoing. --MASEM (t) 17:57, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem: Again, if no updates is your concern, then WP:JUSTDOIT. There's plenty to choose from. I'd do it myself, but I don't have the time at the moment, unfortunately. Keeping the article on the main page will serve the purpose of bringing editors there and do more work on it. Zwerg Nase (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is not that it is not being updated, but from what news I see on it, there is little to update on a frequent basis. It's a big story in the news day to day as it is still happening, but there is little actual day to day change in the "story" that merits frequent encyclopedic updates. And Ongoing is meant for stories that do have frequent encyclopedic updates. --MASEM (t) 23:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above rationale. Concerns about the numbers of migrants remain big news not just in Europe, but also making ripples in North America and Australia '''tAD''' (talk) 16:19, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A day after the second round of parliamentary elections closes, militants attack a hotel housing election judges in the provincial capital of al-Arish in Egypt'sNorth Sinai. At least seven people are killed and 12 others injured, including two judges. The Islamic State's Wilayat Sinai branch claims responsibility. (Reuters)(Eyewitness News)
TurkishF-16 fighter jets shoot down a RussianSukhoi Su-24 aircraft that had allegedly infringed its airspace near the Syrian border. Russia's Ministry of Defence denies the Su-24 entered Turkish airspace and initially said it was shot down by ground fire over Syria's Latakia Governorate. A video emerged of one pilot killed as local rebelTurkmen fighters shot at him while he was parachuting and a video of his body, while the fate of the other pilot is unknown but is presumed dead. A combat search and rescue mission by Russian forces failed to reach them. It is the first time a NATO member has shot down a Russian plane since the 1950s. (Irish Independent)(BBC)(The Telegraph)
A Russian military helicopter is destroyed on the ground by a U.S.TOW missile used by Syrian rebels after it was forced to make an emergency landing in northern Latakia. (Reuters)
Russian President Vladimir Putin says there will be “serious consequences” for Russia–Turkey relations following Turkey's actions, and describes the incident as a "stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists”. Russian government agencies began limiting Russian tourists from traveling to Turkey. (Independent)
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan warns everyone to "respect the right of Turkey to defend its borders," says that the reason why worse incidents have not taken place in the past regarding Syria is because of the "cool-headedness of Turkey" and stresses that Turkey's actions are fully in line with the new rules of engagement that the country adopted after Syria shot down a Turkish jet in 2012. (BBC)
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu defends the action saying Turkey has the right "to take all kinds of measures" against border violations as a "national duty," but that it did not amount to an aggression against any foreign territory and the country called for NATO to hold an extraordinary meeting later in the day. (AFP via The Express Tribune)
UN aid chief Stephen O’Brien accuses Houthi militia of blocking and diverting deliveries of aid to Taiz city where some 200,000 people are living under siege. (Gulf News)
The National Assembly of Vietnam unanimously passes the law, which will take effect in 2017 as part of the revised civil code, that recognizes and allows gender reassignment surgery. (ABC News)
A 15-year-old boy from Liberia'sPaynesville district, who tested positive for Ebola last week, dies of the disease at a treatment center near the capital, Monrovia, just over 11 weeks after the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the country free of the virus. The boy's father and brother, who also tested positive, are at the center; his mother and two other siblings were admitted for observation. In addition, 160 people who came in direct contact with the boy, are being monitored. (Reuters)(BBC)(AP via ABC News)
Sweden will introduce tighter border controls and asylum rules in a bid to reduce the number of asylum seekers entering the country. Sweden expects up to 190,000 asylum seekers to reach its borders this year and says its reception system cannot cope. "The situation is untenable", according to Swedish prime ministerStefan Löfven who told reporters, "to put it bluntly, more people will have to seek asylum and get protection in other European countries". (Reuters)
A bomb blast at the Hellenic Business Federation offices in central Athens, Greece, damages the Cypriot Embassy across the street. While there is yet no claim for responsibility the authorities suspect a domestic guerrilla group set off the blast. (Reuters)
Chicago, Illinois police officer Jason Van Dyke is charged with first-degree murder for the October 2014 shooting death of Laquan McDonald, a 17-year-old boy armed with a 3-inch knife. The charge comes shortly before the release of the police video showing the shooting. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel meets with community leaders to discuss the video’s release and the potential ramifications for the city. (CNN)
Minneapolis, Minnesota (U.S.) police arrest three men suspected of involvement in Monday's shooting of five people, with non-life-threatening gunshot injuries, who had been protesting the recent police killing of Jamar Clark, a 24-year-old African-American man. Protesters, who had been told to watch out for white supremacists wearing masks or camouflage clothing, said that the shooting occurred after a group of people — three men and a woman, all wearing ski masks — were seen filming the protest. The two officers involved in Mr. Clark's shooting are on paid leave during the investigations, including one by the Justice Department'scivil rights division. (Washington Post)(Washington Post update)
Nominator's comments: This is the first time anyone has soft-landed a rocket that has been to space. It steals SpaceX's thunder a bit, as they've been trying to do this for a few years without success, albeit with a bigger orbital rocket. This is instead a suborbital one intended for space tourists, but still a hugely impressive achievement that brings the prospect of significantly-reduced launch costs. Modest Geniustalk12:57, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for a few reasons (1) the BBC article is like a press release from the company; there was no media at the rocket launch/landing so all information comes from the company. Questionable reliability. (2) this development seems like an incremental step in progress - the rocket lands and can be used again - doesn't seem like a significant development yet (3) the article hasn't been fully updated e.g. the "mission" section is written about a future planned mission but hasn't this mission just happened? MurielMary (talk) 13:14, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, a very significant "increment" and we usually post the launch of any new series of rockets, none of which has landed under power. That being said, I agree entirely with Modest Genius's reservations on the reliability and independence of sources. When I clicked on the news item for this this morning I expected to see a launch and landing. Instead there was a news anchor and some talking heads discussing this but without any actual footage. μηδείς (talk) 18:24, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this is not significant, especially after (albeit a ropey) Virgin commercial trial or two. What makes this any different? It's not clear to me why this is substantially different or more interesting, other than the fact that I'm disappointed by the spelling of "Shepard". But I do get it, so don't bother. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What's significant is the vertical landing. The rocket goes up to space, then comes back down to Earth and lands itself using the main engine (no parachutes). No-one has ever done that before. I agree that a mere trial run of a suborbital flight would not be sufficient, but the major technological breakthrough of a vertical landing is. Modest Geniustalk11:52, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response, may I ask another question? What is the scale of this landing? Is it a vessel within which six or so humans would survive, or is it an experimental craft which proves that we can re-land vehicles from space? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:00, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rockets are among the most expensive vehicles ever built, and yet most of them are lost (by design) on launch. A reusable launch vehicle is practically the holy grail of current space flight research, and a vertical landing is incredible. Calling that an "incremental step in progress" is like saying a car that can go up the street and back and then be used again is incrementally better than one that you can drive for a hundred miles but requires you to bail out of its exploding hulk when you wish to disembark. Also per Medeis, it's common ITN practice to post the launch of new rocket series, even when they do not represent such a significant step forward - and this one is not only significant, it's a new entry into the commercial spaceflight field, significant in and of itself. - OldManNeptune⚓12:13, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - Essentially what we're looking at here is a big sounding rocket. Both the X-15 and SS1 were reusable, went into space, and soft landed, nothing new there. Thus, in the strictest sense the blurb and noms comments are incorrect. The term VTVL should be added for it to be correct. When SpaceX lands their first stage, that's a game changer. But this? Gets a big 'meh' from me. Fgf10 (talk) 14:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support I note the BBC article makes it clear it is a suicide bomber that triggered the explosion and suggest the blurb reflect that. I note ISIS is claiming responsibility but they is yet proven out. The article could use a hint more expansion but it will likely take some time for details to filter in. --MASEM (t) 23:34, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral/weak oppose at this point - neither CNN nor BBC have this story on their front page, suggesting lack of notability. Also the article is very brief. MurielMary (talk) 07:20, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The article would probably be ready with some copy editing. At this point it say in various places that 12, 14, and 15 people were killed. μηδείς (talk) 00:52, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article is not yet in a state to post, and does not seem to be being significantly improved; much is un- or under-referenced, too much leans on a single reference, and the notability, aside from the Nobel prize, is not well explained. Could the nominator or a supporter please link a couple of full obituaries in major newspapers? (The BBC doesn't seem to have covered it.) Espresso Addict (talk) 01:41, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Change in head of government for Portugal. We didn't nominate their general election result seven weeks ago. Incumbent PM has failed to gain a majority coalition to govern, providing an opportunity for another EU country to form a left-wing government. Fuebaey (talk) 22:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Zanhe: Changes to head of state are ITNR, but not changes to head of government. General elections are, which often mention the leader of the party that wins, but any other change in head of government is judged on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 02:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
not udaed but weak support the circumstances are very unusual (and its not ITNR, the election was). But the section needs more of an update.Lihaas (talk) 00:47, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Premature? The lead of Costa's article says "On 24 November 2015, he was given a list of items by President Aníbal Cavaco Silva that he would like clarified before being appointed prime minister-designate." That implies it's not a done deal. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Should be a formality" gives me pause. It could still fall through, yes? As a wise man once said, "it ain't over 'till it's over". BTW I do of course support this if it is indeed confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:07, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for lack of rationale. Costa seems to have half the seats of his nearest rival. Please explain what's going on, ao we can evaluate this. μηδείς (talk) 03:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Strong oppose not that this is not an important issue for en.wiki to figure out but this is far from an ITN-type story. There's other places like the signpost where this can be highlighted. --MASEM (t) 22:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose this is not news in any way, shape or form. Not only does nobody other than a few hundred Wikipedia editors care, Jimmy Wales has no powers to change Wikipedia's rules even should he want to. ‑ iridescent22:25, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Too soon - There's no evidence at this early date of the scale of this event or of any ties to terrorism. This could easily turn out to be something routine. --Bongwarrior (talk) 19:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - My read of the news stories suggests this is not tied to terrorism but because of where it happened and due to the recent rise in terrorism/threats here, clearly people are a bit on edge to believe this might be serious. Wait to see if this actually is such a case or not. --MASEM (t) 19:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Police there are saying it is unconnected to the terrorist attacks and looking more like a small time robbery gone wrong. [3]. Assuming this is what it proves out to be oppose since this is just a local crime. --MASEM (t) 20:16, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the way it's been presented here is that military-type weapons were being used, so it seemed likely the well-known terrorism suspects are involved. But wait until the article is more than one sentence... LjL (talk) 20:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: It seems small with 1-2 casualties but its all over the news and some heated rhetoric. Within the next 24 hours it could be even bigger with repercussions already warned. I awas unsure to nominate this but keep an eye on it and it may grow within 24 hours. MAJOR escalation here... Lihaas (talk) 13:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Proposing altblurb that leaves out "Turkey says"; all sides seem to agree a jet was lost (and there is film of it) but disagree on the circumstances. 331dot (talk) 13:22, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb Clearly a major news story right now. I was busy adding additional information to a different article, but have moved over text to this one, as it was reported here first. Also tweaked both proposed blurbs to include links to direct section with text about shootdown. --Jayron3213:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
:*Note: The new article is not sufficiently developed yet, if it gets there we can change the target link. Let's keep the target at the larger article, which provides more context and has more details. If and when the new article is as developed as the current Russian military intervention target, we can change it. --Jayron3213:41, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Theres a minimum update for nw. Obviously over the next 3+ hours more would come in. Nato is meeting in an emergency session in about 2 hours.Lihaas (talk) 14:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb which I've modified to present tense, but most outlets are pretty clear on how this happened, e.g. BBC: "Turkey shoots down Russian warplane on Syria border", NYT: "Turkey Shoots Down Russian Warplane Near Syria Border", SMH: "Russian fighter jet shot down by Turkish jets near Syrian-Turkish border" so perhaps we should modify the blurb to reflect these reliable sources. Putin has just said "We will never tolerate such atrocities". The Rambling Man (talk) 13:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - that military planes get shot down by accident or by friendly fire in wars is hardly uncommon, and so is this incident. If larger ramifications emerge (break of diplomatic relations, military escalation), then let's post something. But at the moment it seems all that will happen will be a few harsh words being exchanged. 93.215.90.237 (talk) 13:46, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is an extremely important news with many possible repercussions and very likely deterioration in the relations between Russia and Turkey as a result.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Altblurb 2 – From what I read "by Turkey" is being treated as an establishedfact. The only disagreement seems to be about whether it was in Turkish airspace, although given the video coverage there seems little doubt about that either. Sca (talk) 14:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Target article lede says "by the Turkish Air Force." Alt2 could be changed to "by Turkish Air Force jets," (or "F-16s") if that's not too long. Sca (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I was initially inclined to wait just to see if this was resolved diplomatically (per IP .237's reasoning), but Putin seems to be pushing for at least calling out Turkey on its actions. --MASEM (t) 14:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE TO POSTING ADMIN we don't know the exact location ofw here it was shot down (hence the controversy). We should use the more neutral original blurb indicating the border of both.Lihaas (talk) 16:35, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Posted a modified version of Alt2, as the exact location where the shooting happened is contentious. Feel free to report updates as needed to WP:ERRORS for prompt response. --Jayron3217:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting comment – Too vague. Turkey is larger than any European country, and borders on seven countries. That means many possible locations. Can't we at least say is shot down by Turkey near Syria? That would give some indication of one of the Five Ws. Sca (talk) 18:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I keep running into this organizational issue (with several admins) is that not every suggestion for improving an ITN blurb concerns an error per se. The lack of any indication of the incident's location isn't technically an error, it's an omission, or a simple lack of info. The pre-posting discussion of the blurb occurred here, and it seems logical for additional discussion of the blurb to be allowed here. However, please see this.Sca (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason the fix isn't showing up on the Main Page display yet. Now it's there.
Aside from which, it would make sense to change the headings on Main Page Talk to something like Errors/suggestions. Sca (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's something to take up elsewhere, like WT:MAIN. Suggestions are usually so vague and subjective that they can be dismissed, most importantly because the community has come to a consensus on a blurb before it's posted. Why then suddenly bend the whim of an individual's subjective opinion unless there's a factual error? Everyone has a preference, and not everyone has copyedited print. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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A Palestinian kills a 20 year-old Israeli and wounds two women in a stabbing attack at a gas station near the town of Modi’in; the Palestinian assailant is shot and killed by an officer at the scene. (Ynet News)(Times of Israel)
Two Palestinian teenage girls, ages 14 and 16, use scissors to stab a 70-year-old Palestinian man whom they misidentified as an Israeli, and other Israeli civilians, near Jerusalem’s Mahane Yehuda market; one of the attackers is killed and the other wounded while being subdued, and an Israeli civilian is wounded by police gunfire. (Times of Israel)
A Washington University in St. Louis (U.S.) international tax law expert says this deal is the biggest merger involving tax inversion, i.e., relocation of a corporation's legal domicile to a lower-tax nation, usually while retaining operations in its higher-tax country. "None of the special anti-inversion laws and regulations issued by the federal government will apply to Pfizer post-merger," Professor Adam Rosenzweig, JD, said. Rosenzweig believes this deal will encourage more U.S. companies to follow Pfizer's approach in future mergers. (Washington University)
A new United Nations report finds 90 percent of the thousands of disasters over the last two decades are weather-related. The majority have been caused by floods, storms, heatwaves and droughts. Researchers with the United Nations Office for Disaster Risk Reduction (UNISDR) suggest the cost has been between $250 and $350 billion per year, i.e., total of $5 trillion/$7 trillion. The report concurs with findings of previous studies that weather disasters are on the rise compared to previous decades. Flooding, in particular, is becoming more frequent and more devastating as sea levels continue to rise. (UPI)
Blue Origin launches the unmanned rocket New Shephard to the edge of space (100.5 km) and lands safely upright on its original launch pad in Texas, becoming the first organization to do so. (press release)(WSJ)
[Closed] Northern white rhino dies, population down to three
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Oppose — if a species becomes extinct, that's news, but we're not going to run a countdown ticker each time a member of an endangered subspecies dies. This doesn't "move the species closer to extinction", anyway; the effort to resurrect the NWR don't involve any of the surviving examples but instead is based on implanting NWR embryos into other rhino surrogates. ‑ iridescent09:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle - It's in the news now. No guarantees the actual extinction will be in the news as well, especially given how many species go extinct every day. Only problem I would say is that the article looks pretty outdated and / or badly structured. There are three rhinos remaining for example, but that is not apparent in that page. Banedon (talk) 09:43, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The fourth sentence of the opening paragraph of the rhino article states there are three remaining; second paragraph mentions death of the female at San Diego. Also seem to be a large number of updates in the last 24 hours. Or do you mean the San Diego article looks outdated? MurielMary (talk) 09:45, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
comment is that the last female? If so then its notable as the end of the speces (almost). Any resurrection will then be of a mixed species.Lihaas (talk) 11:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Ongoing: Military intervention against ISIL (swap Paris attack aftermath)
Note: The above choice of article is being updated MUCH LESS often than the Paris Attacks article is. The requested ISIL article has only been edited 4 times in the last 24 hours, and in the last week I see only 2-3 updates to the article I would count as substantial. The Paris Attacks article exceeds 50 edits in the past 12 hours, with at least 4-5 major content additions in that time span. Based just on that, the Paris Attacks article is the preferred target. --Jayron3217:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Why not post the Syrian Civil War as ongoing? The terrorist attacks in Paris, the refugee crisis, the French and Russian (and many other nations, including the US) strikes on ISIL, all these news stories are directly related or are direct consequences of this civil war. All the while, the civil war is going on with an intensity that by itself would justify this civil to be posted as ongoing. And frankly, it should never have been removed. 93.215.90.237 (talk) 19:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree. Just today it appears that the UK will be sending airstrikes against ISIL in Syria. Time to focus on the bigger picture (e.g. as noted by the IP above) and not just one of the many horrendous individual events, makes perfect sense for Ongoing. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In the Syrian Civil War article, there are a few more substantial updates, but not as much activity as the Paris attacks article; its last 50 edits takes us back to October, and while there was a flurry of activity on November 21, the Paris attacks article is getting more updates more recently. Still more action in that article. --Jayron3202:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if such a page exists but it would seem that if we had an outline page (one that follows WP:OUTLINE, not necessarily a prose-filed article but one that is more a inter-wiki link directory) that gave overviews of various articles that touch on the ISIL/Syria situation (including but not limited to the refugee crisis, the Paris attacks, the Metrojet crash, the various historical ruins destroyed by ISIL, etc.) that this would be an acceptable "ongoing" news target even though that specific page may not always be updated. It's this type of specific scenario where the situation is so amorphous and all-encompassing where I'd consider this a possibility; I would not, for example, recommend it at all for something like the Olympics (in that the current Olympics page should be a good overview prose article and not just an outline-level article). --MASEM (t) 20:32, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was the admin who put 'Paris attacks aftermath' in Ongoing after the item rolled off, because related news was at the time continuously top of the BBC's news index and the article was being heavily worked on (~50 edits per day). I am entirely happy for it to be replaced with a more general ISIS-related article, as long as a suitable target can be found that is being updated frequently. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:40, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] Move Metrojet Flight 9268 to Ongoing again?
Already removed, and no appetite for its retention. Jayron's points show that the criteria for posting to ongoing are not met, and were not met when this particular discussion started either. BencherliteTalk17:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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"Metrojet Flight 9268" has been cyclically being removed and reappearing, but perhaps patience wasn't in our minds. This time, I hope patience is considered in regards to developments. Russia stated that the flight was bombed, exciting fears of terrorism. Afterwards, there aren't any more developments yet. Currently, it's at the bottommost. Shall we declare it ongoing again? George Ho (talk) 16:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Any further determination will likely takes months (it took several to confirm what took down that MA flight over Ukraine). The story for all purposes is now stale and/or part of the larger issue of these various terrorist acts between Paris, etc. (though no linkage has been made at this time that I have seen). --MASEM (t) 16:20, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Getting a little tired of this now. The Kremlin confirmed it. If you doubt the Kremlin, then you should doubt the White House and Downing Street etc. This is seriously becoming a drain on resources responding to each and every nuance of your posts. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The article in question has just one substantial edit in the past week, nearly all the activity has been vandalism reversion and minor wording fixes. And that substantial edit: [7] is not any new information, but a retrospective discussion over claims Russia had made initially in the investigation. There has not been any substantial new information added to the article to justify its inclusion in any part of ITN, and the volume of new information is far too low for Ongoing. --Jayron3202:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Significant business takeover. Big drug company buys out Botox manufacturer, to potentially create world's largest drug company. Tax inversion may also be involved - relocating from the US to Ireland would more than halve the corporation's tax rates. Fuebaey (talk) 13:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support, It is just a merge rather than a buyout (the total value of the merged companies to be $160B, as opposed that much trading hands), but that said, this is a major deal in the pharma side. Pfizer's article has a few cns, but otherwise both articles seem ready to go. --MASEM (t) 15:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on article quality of Allergan. I thought about nominating this earlier today, until I looked at the article and saw that it doesn't actually talk about the company. It has bits about its corporate history and a list of its product and nothing else. -- KTC (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Time we had a discussion about this kind of thing. Not that I disagree with you, but how many times have we seen massive (mega-massive) business deals bummed out of ITN because they haven't signed, sealed and delivered the bottom line. I'll start something, hopefully you and the others around these parts can contribute so we get some guidance we can follow in the future. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we just went through this with Heinzkraft, whose merger nominated here as a "big deal" was followed within a few weeks by buyouts and layoffs. Consolidation during bad economic times is not the same thing as, say, the creation of Verizon as an integrated mobile, internet and full-service phone carrier with the merger of some local service baby bells and GTE. There's no promise of synergy here (i.e., no news) just cost cutting and tax avoision. μηδείς (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is news now and should be posted now; the actual transaction will likely not be in the news(as I state on TRM's discussion) 331dot (talk) 22:24, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - this is a huge merger with potential impact on the pricing and development of common medicines used by hundreds of millions of people. -Zanhe (talk) 04:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - seems like a significant corporate development, plus the tax inversion angle and opposition to it from Clinton/Sanders is interesting. As to timing, I think a useful rule of thumb could be "post it when it's in the news" ...... which is currently. MurielMary (talk) 09:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The Pfizer article looks ok, but more of an update about the merger and criticism of tax inversion would be helpful; ITN is supposed to be providing an in-depth look at such news, which this is not. I oppose the inclusion of the inadequate article on Allergan as a bolded target, but don't think that necessarily a barrier to posting. Espresso Addict (talk) 11:12, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nepalese police open fire on groups, who were protesting the new constitution proposals by blockading a highway. Two protesters were killed and at least 28 were hurt, including 15 police officers. A third protester was killed in Rajbiraj, the headquarters of the Saptari District. (AP via WTOP)(Singapore Today Online)
Belgian authorities announce 16 more arrests in anti-terror raids. Neither weapons nor explosives were discovered during the raids. Tomorrow, a judge will decide whether these people will continue to be detained. (Fox News)(Reuters via Yahoo News)
Islamic State militants counter-attack in Iraq'sSaladin province and seize locations west, north and south of Baiji, home to Iraq's largest oil refinery. In addition, the militants attack oilfields west of Tikrit, capture parts of the town of Seiniyah, portions of Mak'houl Mountain, and an abandoned fertilizer plant. (UPI)
The UK may not face a credit rating downgrade if it votes to leave the EU in a referendum due by the end of 2017, according to the lead UK analyst at Moody's. (Irish Examiner)
The death toll in a landslide near a jade mine in northern Myanmar rises to about 100 people, with up to 200 others missing. Most of the victims were villagers digging for jade in a mountain of displaced earth. (Reuters)(AP via Boston Globe)
No explosives were found. The plane is cleared to continue its journey. (Reuters)
Sixteen (16) people are wounded in a gunfight between two groups that erupted in a New Orleans park's Bunny Friend playground where hundreds of people gathered for a block party and filming of a music video. No fatalities were reported. The fighters ran from the park immediately after the shooting. (Reuters)(NOLA.com)
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Weak Oppose – Large chunks of unsourced material throughout the article, which is predominantly made of giant tables and lists. Notably, most of the rule changes (which I assume are a notable aspect of the series) is mostly devoid of sources. Others might be verifiable through the wikilinks of drivers or the specific races, but there are dozens that need verification. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 04:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Commendable updates to the article by Dough4872 were made, including the addition of race summaries. Meets ITN criteria now and should be good to go (though I would suggest restructuring to place prose closer to the top...just a personal nitpick). Pinging @MurielMary, Fuebaey, and The Rambling Man: to give the article another look through and for another set of eyes to verify. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 23:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as article doesn't currently meet ITN criteria - article is largely lists and tables (criteria state update must include prose) and significant amounts are unreferenced. MurielMary (talk) 09:53, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looks a bit better now. A few unsourced statements, but not enough for me to stand in the way of this being posted. Kudos to Dough4872 for the summary. Fuebaey (talk) 12:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Super Bowl, World Series, Stanley Cup, and NBA Finals are featured on the main page every year, so I see no reason why the NASCAR Sprint Cup championship shouldn't as it is one of the biggest spectator sports in the United States, and also has international following. Dough487215:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
From the instructions: "Please do not complain about an event only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's only not the same because it's an event you personally aren't interested in. Otherwise, it's exactly what the rules tell you is an invalid reason to oppose an article being posted. --Jayron3203:14, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good to hear. The article is very poor, just a jumbled collection of tables and unreferenced bullet lists. It's not the quality of article we should be featuring at ITN. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] Ko wins LPGA Player of the Year Award, youngest ever winner
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Nominator's comments: Although other wins from the end of the season are being reported, they are being reported as secondary to Ko's "youngest P of the Y" achievement. Another "youngest ever" achievement to add to a string of other achievements. MurielMary (talk) 00:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - We virtually never post individual sporting awards in any sport - the only one I can think of right now is the FIFA Ballon d'Or. I don't think that being the youngest winner is interesting enough or exceptional enough to justify posting this one. --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:35, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per above. We practically never post individual sporting awards, including much better known awards. This doesn't equate to winning an individual sporting competition/trophy. "Youngest to win" is really only an interesting enough tidbit to mention in passing for something that would get posted anyway (i.e. "Jane Doe wins the Generic Sports Championship, becoming the youngest athlete ever to do so.") However, this could be a great DYK hook. - OldManNeptune⚓10:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the above and noting that we wouldn't post the men's equivalent award for the same reason. However, there is potential to spin off the list of winners into its own page and take that through the featured list process into "today's featured list" on the main page, or to get Ko's article to GA status and into DYK that way. BencherliteTalk10:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as with the Kachin jade mine disaster below, on another day I might have supported this, but with the quantity of ITN-worthy items right now I think there is no space for this. Banedon (talk) 01:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Close Thanks for the responses on this nom. I suggest that the agreement to exclude individual sporting awards is included in the ITN/C criteria so that it's clear for new editors (currently not mentioned there) MurielMary (talk) 01:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: New head of state/government for Argentina. Run-off result based on exit polls - still requires official confirmation. Fuebaey (talk) 22:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The second candidate, Daniel Scioli, has accepted his defeat. He's talking in the TV right now, the media may take a bit to reflect it. But the outcome can be considered confirmed. 68% of the votes have been counted. Cambalachero (talk) 00:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't that make it a very long blurb? Besides, the legislative elections were held a month ago, alongside the first presidential elections. The delay is because Argentina uses a ballotage system, so there was a second election last sunday, which is the one reported here. Cambalachero (talk) 20:24, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - On another day I might have supported this, but with so many worthy and more significant news items recently I have to oppose this. Banedon (talk) 06:12, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the last new story was posted 2 days ago, and many of the others on the cusp of being stale, this seems like a poor reason. (particularly that none of the other present stories in the nomination process are related to major loss of human life). --MASEM (t) 06:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of the items featured right now, I feel that the Paris attacks obviously must stay in some form because of its ongoing visibility. The bombing of Metrojet Flight 9268 is somewhat tied to the Paris attacks in terms of visibility, and the ongoing intervention in Syria is also a major geopolitical event worldwide. The salmon story, the diamond story and the Mali hostage story have only been featured for a few days, and there are three more nominations above this one two of which are ITN/R. Therefore ITN is very short on space right now, and something has to be sacrificed; I feel this is the best option. Banedon (talk) 07:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability; it is in line with our usual death toll criteria for such events. There also seem to be allegations that jade mining corporations might have breached safety standards. I have added a little to the article, but more work is still needed to expand. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in mind: this wasn't an industrial accident. Most of those killed were scavenging poor people that lived near this giant pile of earth, searching for pieces of jade to sell. --18:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
My point is that at this point, which company(s) and their role, if any, in this, is yet known, so it is difficult to classify it as an industrial accident. Speculation is strongly pointing to the various mining companies for bad, unsafe practices, and the gov't there is going to sort this out. But as noted in latest articles, people were also warned not to live there due to risk of landslide but chose to do so anyway, so it could be a lot of other related issues. (Please note I still support posting of this, regardless of how it's called. I just was trying to make it clear that the story it's not like a workplace accident that most would associate with a "industrial accident'.) --MASEM (t) 17:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - massive loss of life in a politically sensitive region of Burma/Myanmar. Article is a bit on the short side, but decent enough for ITN. -Zanhe (talk) 07:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The Russian statement on bomb conclusion has gotten old...er. We have newer blurbs, so either keep the current photo, use the fish photo (File:Salmo salar GLERL 1.jpg) as replacement, or no photo at all. I could not propose the big gem photo because it is unfree. I wanted to take this to WP:ERRORS, but I don't see it as an error... at all. George Ho (talk) 03:39, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment that's not exactly an ideal replacement, it's not really getting the gist of the story across. No photo at all is silly as we have (pictured) in the blurb so that takes care of any uncertainty as to which hook is related to the image. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:09, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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