* I am not enthusiastic about the blurb. Any other proposals? [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 02:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
* I am not enthusiastic about the blurb. Any other proposals? [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 02:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
**<code>[[State of emergency|States of emergency]] are declared in several areas across the [[Southern United States]] after at least 26 people are killed in a large '''[[Mid-April 2011 tornado outbreak|tornado outbreak]]'''.</code> [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 03:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
**<code>[[State of emergency|States of emergency]] are declared in several areas across the [[Southern United States]] after at least 26 people are killed in a large '''[[Mid-April 2011 tornado outbreak|tornado outbreak]]'''.</code> [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 03:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
*'''Strongest Oppose Vote Ever Seen''' No, just no. Eww! Just because it happens (happened?) in the US does not mean it ''is'' noteworthy, newsworthy, notable, and all that jazz. Sixteen people died, but oh well, a lot of people die every day in bus crashes, airplane failures, etc. I'm not sure why people think that the US has a different criteria for notability here, I just disagree enormously. Most importantly, tornadoes occur a lot in the US so it may be worthless of even being included in the encyclopedia. It's like earthquakes here in Chile, we have a lot of them every day, and seems like we only had two 'notable' ones last year that deserve they article, but yet again, just because people died does not mean this US crap is notable. [[User:Diego Grez|Diego Grez]] ([[User talk:Diego Grez|talk]]) 03:25, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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Fourteen people claimed to be responsible for shooting 52 protestors in Sana’a in March are referred to the state prosecutor. (Al-Arabiya)
Business and economy
China raises its bank reserves requirements as an anti-inflation move, an increase of 50 basis points (half of a percent) effective April 21. (Financial Times)
Comment: I am concerned that your nominations here are becoming ever-increasingly COI, given your very public statements of involvement in the anti-Mubarak protests. PErhaps you should leave it to other users to nominate events relating to Egypt? Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 00:56, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As long as he's not posting the blurbs to the front page, then his nominations are absolutely welcomed. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk)03:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A nomination is just that, and certainly doesn't mean it'll get posted. You can't really fake notability. Providing the blurb and the article's content looks clean, I don't see a problem with nominations from any editor, partisan or not. Nightw03:21, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing to support "war crimes occurring". It seems this is a report of panel which has found "credible allegations" (ie a prima facie case) and recommended a full investigation.[1] I think we should publish the findings of that full investigation rather than the "credible allegations" found by the panel. Not that I have any great objection, as long as the blurb and article are accurate. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not my choice of ITN sport item... in a month, there will be World Champion, and I think that one is ITNR.--Tone18:18, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but this also is of wide interest, and the frequency of the sports events should not be a crucial factor here. Also I don't think one month is too close to post two events in one of the most popular team sports with only another ITN item about ice hockey until the end of the year.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:32, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Major tornado outbreak with at least 16 people killed between tornadic and non-tornadic events. There have been over 100 reports of tornadoes between the 14th and today (the 16th). Ks0stm(T•C•G)08:24, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In a country that in recent years almost always has under 100 fatalities (and usually under 70) from tornadoes a year (source), having over 10 killed in a single outbreak makes this significant. Also, the sheer number of tornadoes reported makes this event noteworthy...see what it did to the yearly US tornado count here, and this doesn't even include today's tornadoes: [2]. Also, it appears that a very intense tornado has struck downtown Raleigh, North Carolina; see the outbreak article for more information. Ks0stm(T•C•G)21:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support iff an EF4 or EF5 tornado is confirmed. Otherwise, oppose as this would seem to be yet another unfortunate storm cell. Storms kill people all over the world. Nothing special about them happening in the US. An EF4 or 5 on the other hand would be an extremely notable and fairly rare event and thus I'd support posting that. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 08:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Enhanced Fujita Scale is the scale used to measure tornadoes in the United States based on how much damage they cause. The scale goes from EF0 to EF5, with EF5 tornadoes being incredibly powerful and causing absolute destruction. wackywace09:50, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless there is an EF4 or EF5 tornado, though a series of EF3 tornados would be fairly persuasive. As it is there is only 1 EF3 tornado. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 13:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support 16 deaths is not a few with regard to tornado outbreaks, especially with current notification alarms and such. The article still needs to be fully updated (for example, it says 10+ fatalities). SpencerT♦C15:28, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Most likely this is addressed to me, so I'd say that my comment was not such that it has only a local coverage, but who cares about something which is common in the spring season in the United States. We usually post unexpected events, so I don't consider a tornado outbreak, regardless of what the effects really are, something special to receive attention and get posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Very large tornado outbreak, over 200 reports of tornadoes (hasn't been than many in quite some time for a single event). At least 17 killed by tornadoes and 7 more by straight line winds. The number of confirmed and rated tornadoes shouldn't be factored into the decision to post this as it takes National Weather Service teams several days to fully assess damage and properly rate tornadoes. All of Alabama is under a state of emergency and loss of life was spread over a wide area (Oklahoma to North Carolina). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Continuing into tonight, more tornadoes and fatalities in North Carolina, with more states of emergencies announced [3] Even more importantly, the article is shaping up really nicely. Large amount of coverage. RxS (talk) 01:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If a storm cell killed 17 in sub-Saharan Africa, would we post it? Probably not, so what makes the US — which gets these systems every year — more notable in this regard? I still think we should only post with a confirmed EF4 or 5. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 01:34, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We wont know if there was an EF4 (from what I've seen there wasn't EF5-type damage) for a few days. The the scale of damage and sheer number of tornadoes makes this outbreak notable. In addition to Alabama, 26 counties in Oklahoma and 14 in Mississippi declared a state of emergency. I believe 15 more were declared in North Carolina but I'm not sure as of now. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest Oppose Vote Ever Seen No, just no. Eww! Just because it happens (happened?) in the US does not mean it is noteworthy, newsworthy, notable, and all that jazz. Sixteen people died, but oh well, a lot of people die every day in bus crashes, airplane failures, etc. I'm not sure why people think that the US has a different criteria for notability here, I just disagree enormously. Most importantly, tornadoes occur a lot in the US so it may be worthless of even being included in the encyclopedia. It's like earthquakes here in Chile, we have a lot of them every day, and seems like we only had two 'notable' ones last year that deserve they article, but yet again, just because people died does not mean this US crap is notable. Diego Grez (talk) 03:25, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nasdaq, in pursuit of its bid for control of NYSE Euronext, would be willing to sell one key NYSE Euronext property, the American Stock Exchange, in order to resolve antitrust issues, according to an unnamed source cited by Reuters. (Reuters)
US actor Nicolas Cage is arrested in New Orleans for alleged domestic abuse battery, disturbing the peace and public drunkenness. (UPI)
A Chinese student from Beijing studying at York University in Toronto is found dead after a male stalker entered her room to use a cell phone while she was chatting online via webcam to a friend in China; she was found undressed and her computer is missing. (AFP)(Montreal Gazette)(Global Post)
At a fundraiser, Barack Obama is caught on an open mic confronting Paul Ryan's record of creating the debt which he is now claiming to be trying to fix, among numerous other things. (ABC)
Perhaps it's not a verdict against a former head of state, but the whole trial in The Hague against Gotovina received sufficient attention in the previous years.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article needs a sentence or two more update, mostly regarding the public reaction to the verdict. Support then, this is the top story in the region. --Tone18:16, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Overnight reports of shooting around the capital of the country and the president is also reported to have left the presidential compound. (note, he has been involved in at least 2 coups in the past and this is coming about face against him, a leader who has ruled for 24 years...seems like long-serving national leaders are on their death beds...)Lihaas (talk) 11:35, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer to wait here for further development. Sacking the government is a big deal in princpile but there's one sentence about it. --Tone18:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
[Pulled] IPv4 obsolete (APNIC runs out of IPv4 addresses)
Up to this point, everybody who needed an IPv4 address could get one essentially for free. With APNIC out of IPv4 addresses, that is no longer the case. With any regional Internet registry out of IPv4 addresses, everybody on the Internet needs to have transitioned to IPv6 at this point to retain end-to-end connectivity. So even people in fx Europe needs to transition to IPv6 at this point, even though RIPE still has months worth of IPv4 addresses, or they won't be able to talk to the people in Asia who only have an IPv6 address. So this is the unofficial end of IPv4 as an end-to-end protocol. As such, the APNIC exhaustion is arguably more important than the IANA exhaustion in January was. Note that APNIC still has a last /8 block of IPv4 addresses, but that block is reserved for special uses such as NAT64. [4]Thue | talk08:31, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We posted the IANA exhaustion in February. This is the first RIR running out, not IANA; this is different but just as newsworthy. And note how I emphasized that the first RIR (APNIC) running out is special - I am not suggesting that we post each RIR running out, but only this first one, since it is the main point of IPv4 exhaustion. Thue | talk10:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In English please. I reckon I have the amount of understanding reasonable for an end user, but this means nothing to me. I live in the UK, is that part of fx Europe? I have no idea what relationship, if any, I have with APNIC or RIPE, or whether I have an IPv4 or IPv6 (but presumably not v5) address. Is it the case that this essentially means that the internet service providers will do some sort of fix invisible to end-users, and everything will carry on essentially as usable. If so, it would appear to be a technical change equivalent to a change in the way the HMRC handle my taxes, or the manufacturers of my breakfast cereal package their product, ie largely irrelevant to everyone except industry insiders. If my assumption is correct, oppose, as it reinforces the prejudice that Wiki is for geeky types: if it means that I will imminently lose internet connectivity with whole continents, support and request a stick to beat my ISP around the head with. Kevin McE (talk) 10:50, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Before this event, the Internet was in principle end-to-end. That means that if you had a friend in China, he could start a Minecraft server on his private PC, and your PC could connect to it directly, and you could play Minecraft together. With the exhaustion of IPv4, your friend may not be able to get his own IPv4 address, but only an IPv6 address, so you can't connect to his server until you also get an IPv6 address. The "give everybody an IPv6 address" is the "invisible to end-users fix", and it should have already happened, but is only done for ~5% of internet users. So the story here is that the invisible fix has not happened, and things will start breaking, though mostly for the "little guy" who wants to run his own server-like programs. The big datacenters will probably just buy IP addresses on the grey marked (buying IP addresses is in principle against the rules). Also, you will probably have to buy a new home router which supports IPv6 at some point. The Internet is the main information exchange system of the human race, and this news marks the breaking of full end-to-end connectivity in that system (until IPv6 is fully deployed, which will take years and billions of dollars). Thue | talk13:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment what this means is that if an ISP in Asia Pacific wants to provide Internet access to more users they will be unable to do so without using IPv6 (which isn't yet widely supported) or resorting to special tricks that don't work that well (carrier level NAT). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:54, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. In terms of dragging out stories on ITN, what's the difference between 'Asia runs out of IP4 adresses', and 'the 3rd last Space Shuttle takes off for the last time'? Or even any one of the interminable reposts of bits and pieces of the Deepwater Horoizon spill, the Japan disaster or the Libya conflict, etc etc. MickMacNee (talk) 14:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems like something that can affect a broader group of people than the usual accidents and fighting among politicians that mostly gets posted on ITN. It's one of the headlines on ars technica, so it's 'in the news'. Plus the article is good on background info. Narayanese (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Article looks fine, and there's not all that much opposition, so posting - one thing though. I do feel this blurb may sound a lot more worrying than it is to a lot of non-techie readers - any chance of a link to IP6 or whatever it is they're using now? 狐 Dhéanamh ar rolla bairille!15:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The real problem is that it isn't even true. Read the announcement: [5] APNIC have started using their last /8 allocation, and have have introduced new allocation policies to conserve that space as a result. It has not "run out of IPv4 addresses", indeed they remain available for allocation, provided such allocation is in line with its new policy. For all the hyperbole there isn't much of substance here and the blurb on our main page is materially and uncategorically incorrect. Crispmuncher (talk) 16:08, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
1022 addresses actually, since the network and broadcast addresses are unusable. However, the size of the blocks is not at issue. The blurb says they have run out and therefore there can be no new allocations. That would be far more significant than the reality. Crispmuncher (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, if you read the article it's fairly clear that they're simply allocating more restrictively, having hit their final /8. (And if you want to be really technical, it is 1024 and not 1022 since they can subnet them however they want...say 1024 /32s. :) The statement that they are out of addresses is simply incorrect. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 16:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The Coulson angle and ongoing Murdoch-Sky aquisition issue makes this pretty significant, beyond being just a 'newspaper is corrupt' scandal. There's no way of knowing when the various court actions will conclude, so we may as well post the 'start'. MickMacNee (talk) 15:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Low effect and generally more local sensationalism. Possibly if this has very significant repercussions I would support, but I guess that I am not seeing solid repercussions at this point. This kind of stuff has happened before, and will probably happen again. SpencerT♦C20:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
North Korea confirms that it has detained a United States citizen Jun Young Su and is preparing to charge him with "committing a crime" against the country. (BBC)
Réjean Hinse, a Quebec man wrongly convicted of a crime in the 1960s before being acquitted by the Supreme Court of Canada 30 years later receives a record $13.1 million in compensation. (CBC)
Five months after his expulsion from the Shas party, Israeli rabbi Chaim Amsellem forms the Whole Nation party, and announces plans to run for the 19th Knesset on a secular-religious unity platform. (Ynetnews)
British Business Secretary Vince Cable criticises Prime Minister David Cameron as "very unwise" for making a speech on immigration in which he spoke of reducing the number of immigrants into the UK from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands. He said the comments "risked inflaming extremism", although Cameron dismissed these concerns. (BBC)
support with a shorter blurb though. Either the PM or the protesters (the former being more noteworthy at this point)Lihaas (talk) 10:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Were more than 24 horus without an update and this seems the biggest thing happening today. Its also the first time South Africa has come meaning it now covers every continent of the "glboal south" and a strengthening of emerging market bonds. Like the G7 of the northern hemisphere.Lihaas (talk) 13:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
it is thoroughly updated, it just needs more sources. im off to sleep but ill get to it in a few hours if no opne else had.Lihaas (talk) 23:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major milestone in a national revolution. Indicative of the permanence of the change there and what's to come in terms of investigation and prosecution. Not every step of his trial will be newsworthy, but the fact that there will be one certainly is. Ocaasic13:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This do NOT mean there will be a trail. hes been arrested for 15 days as part of investigations. being a trail is the big deal i agree, but no asurety of that just yet. at any rate, hes also in hospital so dont know how much will b e done.Lihaas (talk) 13:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Clearly ITN stansard news considering that the ITN has not been updated from 27 hours. Also, I have added the blurb and other sources. JustinSpringer (talk) 14:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mild Oppose: our usual trigger for court proceedings is conviction. To have arrest, arraignment, opening of case, conviction is overkill. This is not an arrest after a long hunt for someone who has been on the run for many years: his whereabouts for the last few months has been a matter of public record, and an arrest could have been affected at any time. Kevin McE (talk) 15:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I wasn't aware that I could only post an opinion with your approval. I've contributed to a discussion: that contribution will be borne in mind by whoever eventually takes it upon his/herself to adjudicate on the strengths of the arguments presented. Kevin McE (talk) 16:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neither was I aware that I needed your approval to present my opinion on your view and the discussion thread. And even my response will be borne in mind by whoever eventually takes it upon his/herself to adjudicate on the strengths of the arguments presented. JustinSpringer (talk) 16:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, even you know that your explanation was completely wrong, as even Laurent Gbagbo was not convicted yet on the front page, so stop giving unreasonable explanations. Also before pointing a finger on me and telling me to read newspapers time to time, I expect you to read the front page time to time so that you know that our usual trigger for court proceedings is not conviction. To have arrest, arraignment, opening of case, conviction is not overkill. This is not an arrest after a long hunt for someone who has been on the run for many years: his whereabouts for the last few months has been a matter of public record, and an arrest could have been affected at any time(the same case with Laurent Gbagbo). Remember pointing one finger at others points three back to you.
You show your recent arrival in this forum by such comments. Gbagbo may have been an exception, but his arrest was different in ways I commented on above: it changed the situation in the country radically: governance in Egypt is not changed by today's events as it was in Cote d'Ivoire the other day. The suggestion that the arrest of Gbagbo was as easily affected as that of Mubarak would be laughable if it were not for the destruction implicit in 11 days of urban warfareKevin McE (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You cannot pass comments on Egypt and Ivory Coast while sitting in an air-conditioned room. Had you even been to any one of the places that you are taking the liberty of lecturing me on this topic? JustinSpringer (talk) 19:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Point of order: There is pretty clearly consensus to post this. What is also true is that the blurb will not be posted without a significant update for the article in question, which has yet to be pointed out to all. NW(Talk)16:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing an update in either the suggested article nor Mubarak's article. There's half a line on him being hospitalised in the latter and the former doesn't seem to have been updated for several days. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I disagree that there is consensus to post this at all; arrests of former dynasts are cheap - especially in non-democratic countries as Egypt (in fact, exile, arrest, and death seem to be the norm for ex-heads of state outside the democratic world) which has probably never had an ex-head of state living in the country in 5000 years of history - convictions, if any there be, in fair trials would be newsy in Egypt. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Precisely because it's more common for an ousted leader to either be pardoned or ignored by his successor; taken bodily in a coup or war; or flee into exile in a country without an extradition treaty, the fact that he both remained and that then a month later the authorities didn't merely interview him but detained him at such length is noteworthy. (Again, often an arrest is followed by the posting of bail, which is followed by a plea bargain/settlement or a trial; or it is followed by throwing the guy in a cell to await trial; to detain him for 15 days of questioning seems extraordinary.) Similarly, the change in government in Egypt is a far more prominent story, and arguably has more wide-ranging implications, than the other instances referred to above. Abrazame (talk) 11:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Trials and Judicial Hearings article requires too much work to bring up to par at the moment, but the detention has now been added to the Hosni Mubarak bio. If we could get a couple of editors on the tagged sections there for a few minutes, the Mubarak bio could be presentable. Abrazame (talk) 11:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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