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:::::I am curious to know how another spam-fighter such as yourself happened to pop in here. I agree I am in the minority. I don't mind being in the minority. I might take this thread to the Spam WikiProject because I believe some spam-fighters are more reasonable than others. Therefore they might learn some lessons from this thread. You have pointed out the heart of the problem though: "''that set of folks is unlikely to sympathize with a link to O'Toole, who has promoted his own work rather widely here.''" That is not a justifiable reason to block a link I add. Because you don't personally like the author of an article. By the way, there is no wikipedia requirement that I accept the article talk page consensus. I am not wedded to the link, though, and will not add it while there is significant opposition to it. People change their mind over time. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 03:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I am curious to know how another spam-fighter such as yourself happened to pop in here. I agree I am in the minority. I don't mind being in the minority. I might take this thread to the Spam WikiProject because I believe some spam-fighters are more reasonable than others. Therefore they might learn some lessons from this thread. You have pointed out the heart of the problem though: "''that set of folks is unlikely to sympathize with a link to O'Toole, who has promoted his own work rather widely here.''" That is not a justifiable reason to block a link I add. Because you don't personally like the author of an article. By the way, there is no wikipedia requirement that I accept the article talk page consensus. I am not wedded to the link, though, and will not add it while there is significant opposition to it. People change their mind over time. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 03:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::In case you haven't noticed, I'm an admin who often closes cases at this noticeboard. I'm unlikely to take any action in this case, since I know Ronz. I still don't see how you escape the charge of edit warring, since you are unwilling to accept the Talk page consensus, and you've made no commitment to follow dispute resolution. The modus operandi that you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=261189268 outlined above], whereby you reinsert a disputed link into an article later, apparently hoping that people will not notice, does not sound like a good-faith effort to find consensus. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 04:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


== [[User:Dru79]] reported by [[User:Smashville]] (Result: 24 hours) ==
== [[User:Dru79]] reported by [[User:Smashville]] (Result: 24 hours) ==

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    User:75.51.76.94 reported by Foofighter20x (talk) (Result: Note left)

    Talk:Ron Paul (edit | [[Talk:Talk:Ron Paul|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 75.51.76.94 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 03:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 16:57, 24 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Ultra-Hyper-Mega-POV */")
    2. 17:00, 24 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Ultra-Hyper-Mega-POV */")
    3. 17:01, 24 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Ultra-Hyper-Mega-POV */")
    4. 17:01, 24 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Ultra-Hyper-Mega-POV */")
    5. 02:59, 25 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Ultra-Hyper-Mega-POV */")
    6. 03:01, 25 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Ultra-Hyper-Mega-POV */")
    7. 15:34, 25 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Ultra-Hyper-Mega-POV */")
    8. 01:43, 26 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Ultra-Hyper-Mega-POV */")

    I know this may seem a little ridiculous, but this guy keeps edit warring with Sinebot. It added his sig to a comment, and he keeps removing, even after people have asked him not to do so. — Foofighter20x (talk) 03:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    This one is a toughey! But his comments do seem to be overly aggressive anyway. I'll leave him a welcome message and ask him if he'd like any help, and I'll leave a gentle note about the four tildes. ScarianCall me Pat! 03:55, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, I've left a welcome temp. and a note. Hopefully AGF'll solve this one. I wouldn't want to block or prot, obviously, as this guy is clearly relatively new. Message me if he comes back again. ScarianCall me Pat! 04:00, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Much appreciated! Foofighter20x (talk) 10:30, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Spotfixer reported by Schrandit (Result: no violation)


    • 1st revert: [1]
    • 2nd revert: [2]
    • 3rd revert: [3]

    I'm in the middle of what is on track to be a pretty epic edit war. I've been going through some categories and tagging something things for references and deleting unsourced material. At some point Spotfixer objected to what I was doing and started reverting my edits. I then left him a few messages and changed most of them back then he left me some messages and and re-reverted the most of the edits. We're probably both at fault here to some extent I'd just like to preempt an all-out edit war, clarify as to the legitimacy of the edits and move on. - Schrandit (talk) 16:04, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Actually, Schrandit has been engaging in wholesale violations of NPOV by attacking any article that goes against his conservative religious beliefs. He's abusing the citation request mechanism and generally showing extreme bias. I am proud of the corrections I made and will continue to make them. However, I have no edit-warred so far and will not begin to do so, either. Spotfixer (talk) 16:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Everything that I removed had been tagged as unsourced for a reasonable amount of time and was removed in accordance with WP: Unsourced material. Leave my religion out of this. - Schrandit (talk) 16:22, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I will if you will. Your editing has been religiously motivated. Spotfixer (talk) 16:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you know me chief? Do you know anything about what motivates me? - Schrandit (talk) 16:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    information Administrator note Are three reverts more than three reverts? No. Thus, I can't see a violation of the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. — Aitias // discussion 16:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    ITSENJOYABLE reported by Squash Racket (Result: 24 hours)


    • Previous version reverted to: [4]



    The user reverted the article about six times in a day against four(!) different editors. Clearly doesn't want to stop, he even deletes referenced material from Britannica and arbitrarily changes what the references actually say.
    I have not made a single revert in the past 24 hours. Squash Racket (talk) 17:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    24 hours. --B (talk) 18:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    NoCal100 reported by Ashley kennedy3 (Result: No violation)


    • Previous version reverted to: [5]


    • 1st revert: [6]
    • 2nd revert: [7]
    • 3rd revert: [8]
    • 4th revert: [link]


    • Diff of 3RR warning: [link]

    I warned NoCal100 and NoCal100 considered the warning as trolling here. As NoCal100 does not appear to want it taken seriously I've reported it hereAshley kennedy3 (talk) 18:00, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't believe I've broken 3RR, as I've only made 3 reverts, but to remove all doubt, I've self-reverted. NoCal100 (talk) 18:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    No violation --B (talk) 18:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Ashley kennedy3 reported by User:NoCal100 (Result: No violation)


    • Previous version reverted to: Complex reverts - a previous version is provided for each revert, below



    NoCal100 (talk) 18:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    No violation - fourth revert is EXTREMELY ticky tacky and there was clearly no intention to edit war. --B (talk) 18:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Thrindel reported by Nilzy (Result: Reporter blocked)


    • Previous version reverted to: [16]



    • Diff of 3RR warning: [28]

    I have repeatedly tried to bring this to a discussion rather than a revert war or a request for intervention, but have frankly grown weary of trying to keep a level head on this and am requesting intervention after putting forth my arguement on both the page in question, the user's talk page and my own. Nilzy (talk) 00:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Could you please provide diff links rather than those above? :) — Aitias // discussion 01:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems like a good call. — Aitias // discussion 01:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    ArabH reported by Iamawesome800 (Result: Indef)


    • Previous Version [29]

    '

    • There's a total of 7 reverts located at:
    • 1st Revert: [30]
    • 2nd revert: [31]
    • 3rd revert: [32]
    • 4th revert: [33]
    • 5th revert: [34]
    • 6th revert: [35]
    • 7th revert: [36]

    He's been told multiple times by multiple users to not keep redirecting the page and he's also been warned for this edit war.--Iamawesome800 19:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    ArabH has been blocked indef by Aitias as a vandal-only account. EdJohnston (talk) 21:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Semitransgenic reported by David Gerard (Result: 24 hours)

    • Previous version [37]

    information Administrator note Blocked user for 24 hours. — Aitias // discussion 19:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    User:212.32.112.75 reported by User:Arthur Rubin (Result: 24 hours)


    • Previous version reverted to: [link]



    • Diff of 3RR warning: 00:07

    Even if the first one wasn't a revert, which I think it is, all the others were to the same version. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Blocked – for a period of 24 hours EdJohnston (talk) 02:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    KoshVorlon reported by Damiens.rf (Result: 31 hours)


    • Previous version reverted to: [42]



    • Diff of 3RR warning: [48]

    Various editors (like Nishkid64[49], Smashville[50] and BradV[51]) have tried to explain KoshVorlon about the inappropriateness of his edits on his talk page, but he insists on reverting back to his revision. --Damiens.rf 14:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    31 hours. --B (talk) 14:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Bukubku reported by Caspian blue (Result:blocked 48 hours)


    • Diff of 3RR warning: [52] The user was recently blocked for 3RR violation and gaming the 3RR system.[53]
    Blocked – for a period of 48 hours --Smashvilletalk 18:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Historiographer reported by NAZONAZO (Result: 31 hours)

    • Previous version reverted to: [link] Because it is too complex[55], I'm not able to conclude what version is appropriate.



    Sorry for poor English.

    Though Historiographer know that there are Korean assassins, he say "Most of them are Japanese." and delete "Koreans"[58] or add only "Japanese"[59]. Therefore, it seem that there are only Japanese assassins. It is POV. And he reduce number of Koreans who are related to the assassination[60]. It is unfair.--NAZONAZO (talk) 19:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    information Administrator note 31 hours. — Aitias // discussion 19:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Zara1709 self report(Result: 12 hours)


    Attention, Cynicism: I've done everything I could, but it just isn't enough. A historian has written a controversial, but good book about Religion in Nazi Germany, where it is among many other things pointed out that Hitler can be classified as "nominally Catholic". This is explain in a great detail on Talk:Adolf Hitler. Of course, to paraphrase that historian himself, that Hitler as the world-historical metaphor for human evil and wickedness should in some way have been a member of a Christian Church can be regarded by many only as unthinkable, but it is fact. I patiently and, I hope, skilfully, explained this to the editors who removed it repeatedly from the article, but I have not achieved anything. Accurate scholarship can unearth the whole offense from Luther until no that has driven a culture mad; find what occurred at Linz, what huge image made a psychopathic god, but Wikipedia will not be able to present the result of this scholarship. Steigmann-Gall certainly is a reliable source on Nazism and Religion, and I can not leave the last edit summary comment standing as it is. I know that it is likely that I might get banned for formally breaking the 3-revert-rule, but I have to revert. (Zara1709 (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]

    Blocked – for a period of 12 hours Since this editor reported himself here at the noticeboard, no 3RR warning is needed. I think any admin should unblock him if he agrees to wait for a Talk page consensus before restoring the claim about Hitler's Catholicism to the article. EdJohnston (talk) 21:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    User:RMHED reported by 62.103.147.54 (talk) (Result: 48 hours)

    Manning_Marable (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). RMHED (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 23:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 03:15, 29 December 2008 (edit summary: "Asserts imp/sig")
    2. 22:17, 29 December 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 260754299 by 62.103.147.54 (talk)There are several assertions of imp/sig")
    3. 22:29, 29 December 2008 (edit summary: "Reverted edits by 62.103.147.54 (talk) to last version by RMHED")
    4. 22:58, 29 December 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 260760880 by 62.103.147.54 (talk)I have given my reasons for removing the CSD several times.")

    Seems to keep doing this in similar cases, such as Prof._Dr._Rahimi_Tabar. and others that can be found in his contributions page. From his talk page a couple of other users seem to have been unhappy with similar reverts as well.

    Thanks, Anthony

    —62.103.147.54 (talk) 23:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    information Administrator note 48 hours — Aitias // discussion 23:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Commodore Sloat and User:Amwestover (Result: being discussed at ANI)

    This edit war has been going on for about three months. The two users named above will not let it die and have filled the article talk page with sniping and accusations. They have been warned and warned and warned and warned. The page has been fully protected twice because of this dispute. --Evb-wiki (talk) 15:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    No problem. They deal with them here now [65] and a topic ban is most likely.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 21:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Let's defer this issue to the wisdom of our colleagues over at WP:ANI. EdJohnston (talk) 06:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Dylan0513 reported by Sesshomaru (Result: 48 hours)


    • Previous version reverted to: [66]



    • Diff of 3RR warning: [71]

    User is very much aware of the discussions at User talk:NuclearWarfare#Regarding your edit to Aang and Talk:Katara#Relationship with Aang, but continued to restore the article to a disputed revision. Has violated the 3rr, and even resorted to name-calling [72]. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    information Administrator note 48 hours due to edit warring and incivility. — Aitias // discussion 18:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Jros83 reported by User:BarretBonden (Result: 24 hours)

    • Previous version reverted to: [73]



    • Diff of 3RR warning: [80]

    The user removed the category from the article. It was reverted and taken to the talk page and no consensus has been reached for its removal. BarretBonden (talk) 20:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    information Administrator note 24 hours. — Aitias // discussion 20:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    User:S3884h reported by User:Gerardw (Result: No violation 24 hours)


    • Previous version reverted to: Sorry, I just don't know.


    • Diff of 3RR warning: [87]
    • No violation as of yet, but the S3884h's claim about the name of the show seems wholly unsupported. "Meet the Press with David Gregory" gets zero g-hits on site:nbc.com so I kinda doubt that's what they call it. --B (talk) 20:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: I believe this has progressed to being a violation.
    Dec 30th edits by S3884h (talk · contribs):
    14:04, December 30, 2008
    19:33, December 30, 2008
    21:04, December 30, 2008
    21:18, December 30, 2008
    And the user was previously warned about 3RR: above. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    So it has. Blocked 24 hours. This is silly. --B (talk) 21:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Bwilkins reported by Tavix (Result: Not a 3RR violation)

    • Diff of 3RR warning: [92]

    This all started with a question I had for User:Bwilkins about a comment he had made to WT:NCSP. Instead of answering my question, he assumed bad faith and simply removed the comment. I reverted that decision and added another comment telling him to just answer my question and to stop removing my comments. He went right back and reverted my comments, assisting that I am not good enough to have my comments on that page. Instead, he tried to deflect it back at me by trying to put it on my talk page. He went right back to reverting my contributions as vandalism no matter how many times I tried to reason with him about the situation. I am currently talking to him on my talk page, but that is besides the matter. He thinks that I am a vandal no matter how I try to reason with him, which is being impeded by the fact that he doesn't even want to talk to my on his talk page. Tavix (talk) 21:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    His conduct is incredibly rude, but reversions within your own userspace are exempt from revert limitations as a general rule. It isn't a 3RR issue, but it certainly isn't very polite. --B (talk) 21:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) Well, reverting your comments as vandalism is not very appropriate of course. However, the policy says:
    “Reverting edits to your own user space, provided that doing so does not restore copyright or non-free content criteria violations, libelous material or biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced controversial material about living persons.”
    Therefore I don't think this is a violation of the 3RR. Perhaps it's better to take this to WP:AN or WP:AN/I? — Aitias // discussion 21:28, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    "Incredibly rude"?? Pardon me? I asked him to keep this discussion on his own webpage, and to continue the discussion on his own talkpage only. Thanks. ♪BMWΔ 21:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


    User:89.214.175.137 reported by User:Eight88 (Result: Protected)


    • Previous version reverted to: [link]



    • Diff of 3RR warning: [link]


    Also impacting Mariah Carey discography. Also page blanks own talkpage. Moved to : User talk:89.214.29.173

    User:Eight88 reported by User:JuStar (Result:No violation.)



    Also impacting Mariah Carey discography.

    No violation – there must be four or more reverts within a 24 hour period for the 3-Revert Rule to apply; the links you have provided do not meet these criteria. --Smashvilletalk 23:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    CoreEpic reported by Wikiwag (Result: No violation, 24 hours)


    • Previous version reverted to: [100]



    • Diff of 3RR warning: [105]

    I have attempted in good faith to caution the user about the quality of his edits, here, here, and here. Unfortunately, he has rejected my pleas and has escalated matters to include personal attacks here, here, here, and here

    Many thanks for your help.

    - Wikiwag (blahblah...) 22:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Ed Fitzgerald reported by DreamGuy (Result: 24 hours)

    This one is easy -- pull up the history of Casablanca (film) and you'll see a whole long list of edits by User:Ed Fitzgerald in the past day and a half. Every single edit of his excepting one (where he says "adding to alleviate "undue weight" concerns") has been a revert back to a previous version. He has summarily full reverted every edit of four separate editors (three of them have been working on three different parts of the article, and I have agreed with all of them). The reverts happen so quickly that people trying to undo his reverting get lost even trying to figure out which one should be reverted to. Now I can't restore User:Fifpasshix and/or User:Clarityfiend 's edits without undoing User:2005's edits -- would need to open them all up and take the various changed parts out by hand and merge them again.

    No official warning given until most recent edit comment by 2005, but Ed Fitzgerald has been around since 2005 (the year, not the editor) and surely must know about 3RR policy by now.

    I'd give separate diffs but his reverts aren't a simple one and one of the previous, but older ones skipping over intermediary edits (also reverts) are difficult to provide links for, as you can't just pick the last link. But his edit comments make it clear that they are reverts. I also don't know which 24 hour period to select, but he's got 'nine reverts in less than 48 hours, so it's pretty clear cut.

    DreamGuy (talk) 01:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you. DreamGuy (talk) 16:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    98.122.108.47 reported by Will Beback (Result:24 hours)

    • Previous version reverted to: [106]
    • Diff of 3RR warning: [114]

    Submitted by:   Will Beback  talk  19:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


    User:Timeshifter reported by User:Ronz (Result: )



    • 1st revert: 06:01, 29 December 2008
    • 2nd revert: 06:23, 29 December 2008 At this point, two editors had removed the link. His edit summary is, "I read the linked article. It is thoughtful, and concerns Thunder, Perfect Mind. It is a relevant external link. If you remove this again, I may report you to WP:ANI)"
    • At this point, the three editors begin discussing the matter on the article talk page.
    • 3rd revert: 21:35, 31 December 2008 With the other two editors arguing against the link on the talk page, he reverts it again with the edit summary, "Revert personal vendetta against another user. See talk" This is what caught my attention in my watchlist, so I stepped in to try to deescalate the situation.


    • In response to my effort to deescalate the incivil edit-warring [115], Timeshifter has assumed bad faith on my part and threatens to continue edit warring writing, "I will return the link in a few days when you two have cooled off." [116]

    Ronz (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    There is some history between us. Please see this diff: [117]. I have not done 3RR, and have no intention of doing so. Please see also the discussion in context: Talk:The Thunder, Perfect Mind#Aestheteka. I have this problem once a year it seems with Ronz. See WP:Wikihounding. He acts alone, or sometimes tag teams with another spam-fighter, concerning some external link that he notices has been spammed by some newbie with a WP:COI. I then add the link myself and Ronz or another spam fighter gets mixed up about Wikipedia guidelines, and thinks I am spamming the link too. Neither of the spam fighters have usually done any editing of the article in question previously. So they mostly ignore or badmouth the merits of the link, or wikilawyer about guidelines until they wear out the regular editors of an article. Since they don't really care about the content of the article I can usually come back days, weeks, or months later, and add the link if it is a good external link. Some external links are bad, and I don't add them. If they continue to give me a hard time I don't add the link. Even if it is a good link. --Timeshifter (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry to see that Timeshifter holds grudges, and uses them as excuses for his misbehavior. Looking at his talk page history, I see that my last discussion with him there was over a year and half ago, over his edit warring 21:31, 18 June 2007 . --Ronz (talk) 00:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    information Administrator note No violation – there must be four or more reverts within a 24 hour period for the 3-Revert Rule to apply; the links you have provided do not meet these criteria. — Aitias // discussion 00:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Striking out my decision above per this. I don't see edit warring here, but another admin opinion would be appreciated. — Aitias // discussion 00:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I've added comments to the second and third diff listed above, and indicated when the talk page discussion began and when I joined the dispute. [118] Apologies for any confusion it may cause. --Ronz (talk) 01:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Ronz left multiple messages on my talk page today. I kept removing them, but he kept adding more. See my talk page history: [119]. On an article talk page a long time ago I asked him to stop wikihounding me. I can hunt up the diff if necessary. I had to repeat the request today on his talk page. See the diff I left in my previous comment here: [120]. The "personal vendetta" I mentioned in the edit summary and on the article talk page concerned the seeming grudge against the newbie that originally added the link in conflict with WP:COI. As I said earlier I am not wedded to the link, "even if it is a good link", and I have not committed 3RR. --Timeshifter (talk) 01:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    As noted in the definition at the top of this page, "Edit warring features a confrontational attitude." I got involved in this because of the accusations of a "personal vendetta" in an edit summary (noted above with the 3rd diff). I believe these edit summaries and the comments he's made on the article talk page demonstrate quite clearly a confrontational attitude that is at odds with WP:CON, WP:TALK, WP:CIVIL, and WP:AGF. --Ronz (talk) 01:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You are wikilawyering. Here is the diff from October 2007 that I said I could hunt up: [121] In that article talk page comment I asked you to stop wikistalking me. Wikihounding is now the correct term. --Timeshifter (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Sigh. You assume bad faith of me over a year ago, and that justifies your bad faith today?
    Let's get this straight. I hadn't made a comment on Timeshifter's talk page in over a year and a half, and have interacted with him little if at all, as far as either of us can tell, in well over a year. But because of this, Timeshifter feels justified in responding to my attempt to deescalate his misbehavior [122] with personal attacks and threats to edit-war further. Note that I only commented on Timeshifter's talk page AFTER he made these comments. Yes, there does appear to be some personal vendetta's here, all held by Timeshifter to justify his continued problematic behavior. --Ronz (talk) 02:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You did not deescalate anything. As in the past you threw around a lot of misinterpreted guidelines. This time you piled on multiple messages in a row on my talk page. But getting back to this noticeboard, I am not edit warring. I am not wedded to the link. You jumped into the talk page saying that the link was a spam link AFTER I pointed out that I had added the link, and therefore it was no longer a spam link. See this diff of your first comment: [123]. it shows that you were piling on without understanding or acknowledging my point. How is that deescalation? There is no edit warring. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The immediate context for this noticeboard incident can be found at The Thunder, Perfect Mind. Timeshifter added an EL which myself and another editor consider spam, and the situation then escalated. Ronz then entered the fray, and Timeshifter seems quite defiant and obstinately unwilling to acknowledge that consensus mightn't go his way. Carl.bunderson (talk) 02:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    You again insulted my by saying that I am adding spam. You might say that an article is not worthy of being added as a link to a Wikipedia article. But an article is not spam. The act of adding an article by someone with a WP:COI is spamming. Then the article is spam. But since I am not spamming, therefore when I add the article the article is not spam. This is the fundamental problem here.
    New info: Talk:The Thunder, Perfect Mind#Edward O'Toole. The 3 spam fighters are indirectly insulting a published book author (more than one book, too) in their quest to punish this evildoer newbie for making the mistake of going against WP:COI. I bet User:Aestheteka is Edward O'Toole. But hey, I am not wedded to the link. I do think the 3 spam fighters owe Edward O'Toole and User:Aestheteka an apology, though. Maybe a better use of this noticeboard thread would be to copy the whole thing over to the Spam WikiProject as a lesson. --Timeshifter (talk) 02:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    If the article violates WP:ELNO, I consider it spam. I am not calling you a spammer, I am calling the article itself spam. It is not my intention, I repeat, to insult you.
    Nor are we insulting O'Toole. He has repeatedly spammed WP, and his repetition in doing so is inexcusible. He was hastily indef-blocked today for his actions. The ice will melt in Dante's ninth circle before I apologize to him for defending WP against his shameless self-promotion and spamming, after he had already been warned against it. Carl.bunderson (talk) 03:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    "Hastily" is the correct word. He has no user contributions since Dec 16, 2008 when he was warned about WP:COI. See his user contributions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aestheteka --Timeshifter (talk) 03:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I fail to see what you find objectionable about the haste nature of the block; the admin is to be commended for his action in blocking him so quickly. He is a spammer and used socks in an AfD debate. Nothing beneficial was going to come from him. This was a good move to pre-empt future vandalism from him. Carl.bunderson (talk) 03:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    His user talk page says he was blocked for his username. It doesn't say anything about sockpuppets in an AfD debate. If that is true, then of course he should be blocked after being warned. Was he warned about socks? Socks are allowed in some circumstances. And all of this has nothing to do with my addition of the link. You can call it spam when you think an article link I add violates WP:ELNO, but you would still be wrong. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I mentioned the socks to demonstrate the sort of user you uphold; help show others your judgement. Carl.bunderson (talk) 03:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Now you are insulting my judgment through guilt by association. I don't uphold the user. I just pointed out Wikipedia guidelines about warning users first. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Knowingly adding a link that had been spammed is indicative of poor judgement. Carl.bunderson (talk) 03:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    That is not logical. One does not follow the other. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    What part of supporting spammers is good? Carl.bunderson (talk) 04:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not a spammer. I do not support spammers. Adding a link is not spamming when there is no WP:COI. --Timeshifter (talk) 04:28, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Adding the link of a spammer (User:Aestheteka) is supporting spammers, even though you yourself are not a spammer. Carl.bunderson (talk) 04:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment. There is no infallible method to decide whether a particular external link belongs in the article. There is only consensus. Timeshifter seems to be in the minority on the article's Talk page. If he doesn't want to accept this particular consensus, he could initiate dispute resolution. One possible step is an article RfC. He has actually suggested he might take it to the Spam WikiProject, a curious choice because that set of folks is unlikely to sympathize with a link to O'Toole, who has promoted his own work rather widely here. I think we need to hear from Timeshifter as to how he will pursue dispute resolution. If he won't do this, and won't accept the local Talk page consensus, he could indeed be edit warring. EdJohnston (talk) 03:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I am curious to know how another spam-fighter such as yourself happened to pop in here. I agree I am in the minority. I don't mind being in the minority. I might take this thread to the Spam WikiProject because I believe some spam-fighters are more reasonable than others. Therefore they might learn some lessons from this thread. You have pointed out the heart of the problem though: "that set of folks is unlikely to sympathize with a link to O'Toole, who has promoted his own work rather widely here." That is not a justifiable reason to block a link I add. Because you don't personally like the author of an article. By the way, there is no wikipedia requirement that I accept the article talk page consensus. I am not wedded to the link, though, and will not add it while there is significant opposition to it. People change their mind over time. --Timeshifter (talk) 03:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    In case you haven't noticed, I'm an admin who often closes cases at this noticeboard. I'm unlikely to take any action in this case, since I know Ronz. I still don't see how you escape the charge of edit warring, since you are unwilling to accept the Talk page consensus, and you've made no commitment to follow dispute resolution. The modus operandi that you outlined above, whereby you reinsert a disputed link into an article later, apparently hoping that people will not notice, does not sound like a good-faith effort to find consensus. EdJohnston (talk) 04:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Dru79 reported by User:Smashville (Result: 24 hours)


    • Previous version reverted to: Complex - multiple reverts over same page



    • Diff of 3RR warning: [130]

    User's comments on talk page show no intention of stopping. I would have blocked him myself, but I reverted his edit on the page. --Smashvilletalk 00:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    information Administrator note 24 hours. — Aitias // discussion 00:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Gingerboy06 reported by Bidgee (talk) (Result: Indefblocked)

    Dog fighting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Gingerboy06 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 01:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 13:27, 28 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Bait animals */")
    2. 22:23, 29 December 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 260489481 by Bob98133 (talk)")
    3. 22:24, 29 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Bait animals */")
    4. 01:11, 30 December 2008 (edit summary: "Edit was undone as no citations and only POVs were made. Worse some morons will use info such as bait animals to train their dogs to fight.")
    5. 01:13, 30 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Bait animals */ cleaned up grammar and spelling")
    6. 03:47, 30 December 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 260797646 by Bob98133 (talk)")
    7. 03:48, 30 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Bait animals */")
    8. 07:08, 31 December 2008 (edit summary: "/* Bait animals */ This should not be reverted unless someone can cite a conditioning programme or keep recommending the use of bait animals.")
    9. 01:16, 1 January 2009 (edit summary: "Undid revision 261062548 by Bidgee (talk)")
    • Diff of warning: here

    — Bidgee (talk) 01:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Eight88 reported by User:LauraAndrade88 (Result: 24 hours, both for the reporter and the reported user)


    • Previous version reverted to: Complex - multiple reverts over same page


    information Administrator note 24 hours, both for the reporter and the reported user. — Aitias // discussion 02:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Down Home In Suntlay reported by Dr.K. (Result: )


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