User talk:Polaron

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Greater Boston

I listed the cities to give a sense on the geographical location of the division. I chose those specific ones to give an example of some of the smaller cities and towns within the division. The list I chose the towns from came from the U.S. Department of Labor. Please respond back. MisterM87 01:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

• • • The point to the chosen cities was to include links to the lesser known cities and towns within the Divisions MisterM87 01:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Japanese city naming debate

There's a new debate at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) regarding the guidelines for naming cities of Japan. --Polaron | Talk 08:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the response delay, was on holiday. Really, I just think that section (and much of the rest) of MoS-J should just be deleted, but people like special-casing everything. Matter looks 'settled' in the handful-of-people-straw-poll way that most things get decided by, at any rate. --zippedmartin 22:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA

I was wondering if you know what happened to Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA. It appears to no longer exist. I would assume it still existed when you made this edit on July 11.Talk:Baltimore-Washington_Metropolitan_Area#Merger_proposal shows no consensus or closure on the issue and I see nothing for Articles for deletion/Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA, so I'm wondering if you knew anything about it. Thanks. Ufwuct 16:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I still get the following text:

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Are you able to view an article instead (of getting this message)? Ufwuct 16:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Exit list guide

Hello, Polaron. Since you have commented on the design of exit lists in the past, you may be interested in contributing to the newly-formed exit list guide. Please give your input regarding the page as soon as possible.

Regards, TMF ^{T - C} 22:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

2006 estimates?

Are you aware of any 2006 U.S. Census Bureau estimates? User:Bartowcounty11 made this change, which I reverted. Thanks. Ufwuct 20:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

The 2006 county estimates won't be out until March. There could be state government projections, though but I think sticking to the Census Bureau figures is probably the best. --Polaron | Talk 22:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

That's what I suspected. Thanks for the reassurance. Ufwuct 22:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

East Timor info-box?

Hi! On August 21 you changed the area of Est Timor. Would you please state your source that overrides the UNDP, UNOTIL and National Development Plan data, and contribute your new information to what I have written in the East Timor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:East_Timor#Area_according_to_which_source.3F - Land real area of East Timor seems to be a complex issue with many different interpretations. So please take part in that discussion. I am also maintaining some other webpages with East Timor information, so I would like have the best data possible .

-Your information on land area appeared to have been published already in source dating back before independence in 2002, and since the land border has been negotiated. In January 2006 there still was 4% unconfirmer land border. Since your information appeared non-valid I changed it back to the old value. Simohell 15:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh? I didn't change any information in the article. I just said on the Talk page that the 14874 figure is used by the UN Statistics Division just in case you're wondering where it came from. --Polaron | Talk 15:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. So now I konw your information was correct for the time, but not according to latest information available. It's a pity they dont have a yearbook that would ne newer than 2003 at their site...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Simohell (talk • contribs).

Well in the history there is listed this change with your name on it (at 18:52 August 21 2006, with comment "infobox tweaks")

Oh I thought you meant recently. --Polaron | Talk 15:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Connecticut Cities

02:38, September 23, 2006 Polaron (Talk | contribs) (manchester is not technically a city)

Please discuss before making a major edit to a template, secondly if you noticed in the discussion of the Connecticut template, there was an establishment to what is a city and what is not, Manchester is an important and visible part of Connecticut and thus should be included in the list. For example, Ansonia has a population of 18,000+ as of 2000 census and Manchester a population of 54,000+, how could the former still be still listed? It doesn't make sense.

How do you propose to determine what should and should not be included? Just population? The changes I made were to include only those that the Census Bureau considers cities. --Polaron | Talk 21:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that I saw your comment, and you are right. Manchester is not a city; it is a town. The template is for chartered cities only. Beginning 23:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

SLEX

Hi. As regards to SLEX, South Luzon Tollways Corporation or SLTC is now currently constructing the missing part of SLEX between Calamba and Santo Tomas. I made the terminus to Lipa because STAR Tollway is a part of SLEX, though as of today the interconnection is still underconstruction.

Regards, Akosikupal

Metro Detroit

Hi there! I reverted it back because those numbers are flat out incorrect regardless (Metro Detroit does NOT have over 5 million people according to any of those sources listed in the article!), and it is wrong to mislead readers and remove the clean up tag. Furthermore, the links to the listing of population rankings show Metro Detroit is the tenth largest metro area in the US, not the ninth. A complete revert is not appropriate IMO. Wangry 14:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Just edit the text description to match the MSA definition. I was planning to do that myself later but go ahead if you want. There are three counties that need to be removed and also the cities of Monroe, Ann Arbor and Flint (which are each their own metro areas). We also need to go through the entire list of places to make them consistent. Good luck. --Polaron | Talk 14:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

All right, I'll do as much clean up as I can. The most obvious problem I noticed was that the little "ranked 9th" link went to an article listing the MSA rankings where it was 10th, and in general, this confusion had spread to the Detroit proper page as well. Also, it was long reported that the Metro Detroit MSA pop had 5.4 million (probably out of confusion with the CSA def), leading to more headaches. Wangry 15:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I wrote a new intro that hopefully will prevent confusion for readers. What do you think? Wangry 15:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks (even if you opposed)

Thanks for your input in my RfA, which passed on October 17, 2006 with a tally of 53/6/0. A word of constructive criticism always helps a person more than a person of support, and your constructive criticism on my RfA helped me realize my shortcomings and how I should improve on them. I will strive to correct such missteps and answer your concerns voiced on my RfA. With humility, 210physicq (c) 02:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

CT SR Maps

Greets. Are you in the process of creating maps for the Connecticut SRs? I see there are maps for 2 through 9 so I don't want to step on your toes if that's something you're currently working on. I was going to hit the USR WikiProject list alphabetically and start making some more maps, even though Calif is first, I'm not sure I want to touch that until they figure out what they're doing with the infobox over there. CT was next on the list...if you're doing the maps I'll gladly move on to FL ;) Cheers. Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 03:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Java collaboration

hi Polaron. Starting today, the Indonesia Collaboration is Java. Come along and help make this a page worthy of the world’s most magnificent island. There’s a suggested to-do list on the the Talk page to which you can add, or just pick a task. All sorts of tasks are required, Images, Citations, Research, Copy Edit, you name it – this important article needs your help!! regards --Merbabu 08:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

New Cork vote

There is a new move request and survey regarding Cork. This time it is proposed to move Cork to Cork (city) in order to move Cork (disambiguation) to Cork. You are being informed since you voted in the last Cork survey. See Talk:Cork. --Serge 07:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

3di templates

I'm reverting your substing as you are supposed to wait until the discussion and DRV are complete before substing. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Why are you substituting ones with multiple links? Templates are useful in these cases to make less editing needed if a new spur is designated. --NE2 18:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. Every time a spur of I-81 is added, every article about one will need to be edited. --NE2 19:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

These are just temporary moves because I'm planning to edit {{3di}}. I just want to make sure no articles use it without breaking the appearance. If you have a better way, then I'll stop. --Polaron | Talk 19:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Merritt/W.Cross Sign

Hi. The photo you uploaded on your user page, where is it? I thought the Sikorski Bridge joined the previously distinct road. Was it really the West Rock tunnel? (not for a wikipedia article, just curious about the sign!) Jd2718 00:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

That counts as embarassing. I grew up 4 blocks away. And I have family a block and a half from there. I've probably passed it hundreds of times, maybe thousands, and never seen it... Nice find! Jd2718 00:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Southeastern Connecticut

Thanks for the links. I extended the AfD to the other Connecticut Regions (with one exception). I am not at all convinced that the existence of a planning agency or a chamber of commerce is sufficient to establish a name; certainly usage should trump all here. Perhaps I have reached too far then. But even if the name exists, does it merit an article? CT has a state article, 169 town articles, a bunch of Census named places articles, 8 county articles, and 8 region articles. I think someone got carried away. Anyhow, we can discuss further on the delete page. Jd2718 21:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Connecticut Regions

Thank you for your work so far in opposing my AfD nominations. I think your references to the Regional Councils has been valuable, and for me, informative. However, the Councils have names and extents that are familiar and natural, that make sense, much more so, in my opinion, then the current group of articles. Would you consider working together to replace the current articles with articles based on the Regional Councils? Jd2718 16:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

That sounds better. I'll withdraw the big batch of AfD nominations. (but keep Coastal Connecticut and Southwest Connecticut; they are just silly.) Is there a page where discussion of what should and should not be considered a region take place, besides the current individual region pages? I'd certainly like to start by insisting that Ansonia is not part of the "Gold Coast," but where would other users be looking? Jd2718 17:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The nomination of Coastal Connecticut for deletion failed. I will (slowly) begin editing the individual region articles. Let me know if I overstep. Thanks for your interest! Jd2718 23:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

WT:USSH

I think it's clear that (with the exception of User:Vegaswikian) that we're all in agreement on the display of "state name first" links. I'm wondering whether you could clarify your opinion on links like [[New Jersey Route 17|Route 17]] though? In other words, is NE2's "What links here" logic enough to require links to be set up a certain way, in addition to how they display? -- NORTH ^talk 23:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Common knowledge

Please read the Wikipedia policy on verifiability and guideline on common knowledge. You are violating policy by re-inserting unsourced material without providing sources. Please revert yourself. -- Donald Albury 23:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Edits to Georgia

In connection with your edits to the table at Georgia, you seem to have better information than I had. Would you mind updating the footnotes in the table to point to the reference that you used (I noticed that one of my links doesn't work anyway). Thanks. --Tlmclain | Talk 02:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Golden Horseshoe

Please see the Golden Horseshoe talk page for my rationale for the change. The Golden Horseshoe has included Niagara as part of the inner ring long before McGunity decided to re-write Ontario history. Snickerdo 02:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

help request

Your help is requested as someone with current or recent interest in resolving the U.S. settlement naming convention discussion. I have created a "discussion template" modeled off of an RfC to attempt to structure the discussion, which is spinning wheels and spraying mud. I'd greatly appreciate any input you could provide (including "what are you smoking?"--or perhaps, "keep this in your back pocket"). Thanks in advance. --Ishu 16:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: United States metropolitan area (Los Angeles)

Thanks for your message. My response: The OMB might have some executive reason for doing so. To most Los Angeles residents the LA metro area/ Greater Los Angeles Area (an article that you have worked on) is considered to definitely include Thousand Oaks (which isn't completely in Ventura County), the Inland Empire, and Oxnard, Simi Valley (which has LAPD jurisdiction), Oak Park, Point Mugu (which most consider part of Malibu), as they are so geographically close to East and West Los Angeles (the cities themselves). Heck, Thousand Oaks is a 15 minute drive with light traffic from my house in the middle of West LA (Thousand Oaks is closer than Marina del Ray, LAX, and about the same distance to downtown LA). Please look at the locations of the city on their county maps in the links provided. Obviously it is your call, you have been working on the article/project longer than me. If you are looking to determine the legal metropolitan area, I cannot argue that point, the presidents’ budget office (OMB) in Washington has said that Thousand Oaks is not part of the Los Angeles Metropolitan area (even though the LA metro buses serve that area). If you want a local view of the LA metro area, then the above area's are included. If you spoke to someone from these area's they would identify themselves as being from the LA metro area. The call is yours. BMan1113VR 21:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: New London disambiguation page

Based on what has happened in the recent past, having the redirect is used as justification to move the article. So my opinion is why make a change that opens a door for future problems? That not withstanding, there are too make other uses so that I'm not sure if there is a primary use. Vegaswikian 03:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

More US 1/9 issues

Your input on Alansohn's comment on WT:NJSCR (whether you agree with me or not) would be much appreciated. -- NORTH ^talk 01:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 1

The New York State and County Route WikiProjects Newsletter Issue 001 – December 2006
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greater toronto area

i entered in 7,100 km² for the area. This was the rough estimate in the greater toronto area page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Im.a.lumberjack (talk • contribs) 22:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

Greater Boston

Polaron, perhaps you could lend your opinion on this issue. I proposed using the MSA definition as opposed to the CSA one for consistency (or at least consistency we're striving for) with other Metro area articles. I proposed using the MSAs as opposed to the NECTAs to avoid overlap. Your opinion would be appreciated. Thanks.Ufwuct 23:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 2

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From JGCarter

Hello Polaron, I am sorry about that "edit war". Some people consider the I-295 portion an "extension" of the Cross Bronx. I was a little confused as to where you were placing the eastern terminus. Are you talking about the I-295/I-695 junction? If so, can we say "Eastern Teminus Throgs Neck Expressway. Does this sound good?

Okay, will do. Heh, I figured out infoboxes (how to make them, that is) so I modified the LIE's, added one for the Interboro, and the Cross Bronx. Again, I sincerly apologize for the edit war. BTW, is there a way in the infobox that I-95 continues up the Bruckner? Also, do you know how to make an exit list? I have no clue how to ;). Take care! Jgcarter 20:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for taking care of moving the junction list on U.S. Route 9 to the state detail page. I've had US 9 on my to-do list for quite some time, but there seems to always be something else that comes along that seems more pressing. -- NORTH ^talk 23:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Chilean edits

Hello, Polaron, since you have made several edits to articles about Chile, you may be interested in looking at the Wikipedia:Chile-related regional notice board to pick up on other topics that need attention, or to express needs which you perceive pertaining to Chile. JAXHERE | ^Talk 01:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of defaultsort

Please do not use defaultsort on by country categories such as Category:Military of Côte d'Ivoire. It will nearly always be inappropriate in such places because these categories need to be sorted by a different term in different parent categories. More generally, default sort should be used with caution; we have the pipe trick for a reason, and a huge amount of effort has been put into organising categories in a thoughtful way. Pinoakcourt 12:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Medellin

Request Move

Request to move article back. The request is based on the principal that the common denominator, per the new category UTC-5 demonstrates that cities generally have the state or province name. Take for example Ottawa which should redirect to Ottawa, Ontario and not vis-versa. This will help when categorizing cities. Thank you for following through with the request to move this page to appropriate location --((F3rn4nd0 ))^{(BLA BLA BLA)} 16:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Boston

Hi! In the past, you've noted support on my talk page for naming U.S. cities consistently with other countries (only disambiguate when necessary). See Talk:Boston, Massachusetts. --Serge 22:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Land area or total area

In List of metropolitan areas by population, is the area listed the total area or the land area? If land area is used, then it's an easy step to calculate the population density (and also easily and quickly and verifiable for readers). Either way, this should probably be noted.

Also Template:Infobox Metropolitan Area does not specify what area is being listed for the metro areas. This can be very confusing. I would suggest having three areas listed, like Template:Infobox U.S. County does. That way, there should be no ambiguity. What do you think? Ufwuct 21:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, do you know where the areas come from for non-U.S. metro areas? It would be helpful to have some easy source to check and it is necessary to source this data. I had trouble finding it. Thanks. Ufwuct 21:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe the US MSAs use land area, which is the relevant one for density figures. Listing three area figures is ok if you think it would be more useful. I have no strong opinion one way or another. For non-US cities, if the area corresponds to a statistical area (majority does I think), then that area is used. I listed many of these areas a long time ago but didn't source them and I remember that some of it required digging through lots of tables. Areas that correspond to primary country subdivisions can be found at xist.org. I'll try and source some of these area figures over the next few days and weeks. --Polaron | Talk 21:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #1

The U.S. Roads WikiProject Newsletter
Volume 1, Issue 1	10 February 2007	About the Newsletter
Departments: Features: Project News Notability of state highways is challenged Important deletion debates Featured subproject Featured member From the editor
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Largest cities

Why did you revert my changes? This list was incomplete, because excluded the city of Paris (France), with a population of 9.644.507 inhabitants (census of 1999). I have placed the correct information and you excluded it. Why? Fsolda 20:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

This list is for administrative municipal units. The 9.6 million figure for Paris is for the urban area. As far as I know, there is no local government associated with the urban area definition. --Polaron | Talk 20:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 3

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Villages in Connecticut

I noticed that you changed Fair Haven and Westville from villages to neighborhoods in New Haven County, Connecticut. At the same time, I notice that village is still used for a fair number of places in this article (and the other Connecticut county articles). I am concerned:

1. the designations city, town, borough, and village are being used in a way that makes village seem like another administrative division; it is not.
2. in most cases (all? I don't know about all), village does not match local usage.
3. in many cases (perhaps most), village does not match historical usage.

That being said, neighborhood is appropriate where you used it, but would not make sense to extend universally. What designations could be used in place of village? Named place? No designation at all? Jd2718 14:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is a problem. Some of them are indeed villages such as Mystic. Others are probably special-purpose districts or historic districts. Then there are others that are names of the post office. A few more are named of census-designated places. I don't know what the most appropriate catch-all name should be. If we know what type of place it actually is, then let's use that. If not, maybe use "community"? --Polaron | Talk 15:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, that makes sense. Fairfield County is already clean. Thanks. Jd2718 18:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I-89

Please don't work on the exit list right now. Thanks. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 18:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I started working on it before you put your notice. Sorry if it messed up what you were working on. Have fun. --Polaron | Talk 18:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, it's all done. Thanks for understanding. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 19:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

=Woonsocket, Rhode Island

I my travels, I ended up taking a shot of Woosocket City Hall. I've uploaded the image, and attached it to the Woonsocket, Rhode Island infobox. Thought it would be a nice addition. I can't get it to show. Hope you know a little about infobox code. What am i missing??????? Thanks for the help (if you can) Pmeleski 13:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• • thanks for fixing the infobox.......I'll try cropping whenever I get the chance. Feel free to edit/crop my picture if you'd like....Pmeleski 02:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)... Thanks again

USRD Newsletter - Issue 2

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Rhode Island Route 11 at AfD

Another editor has listed an article that you have been involved in editing, Rhode Island Route 11, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhode Island Route 11. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. --TeckWizBot 14:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC) --Eastmain 00:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Dutchess CR 33

Yes, if you redirect the article, I would withdraw the nomination. -Nv8200p talk 03:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		MPD was right. Eloquent words on what a guideline actually means. I couldn't find a more appropriate award, so one that smiles will have to do. If only we all had as much common sense as you. -- NORTH talk 04:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Staggering levels of common sense is deserving of an award, no matter how whiney it might have been. I didn't think it was that whiney, though. -- NORTH ^talk 18:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Importance

We are doing importances on a national level, not a local level. Please consult the importance scale and the discussion regarding this on WT:USRD/A. Thanks. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 03:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Certain highways especially in southern New England are just as important as Interstate highways - certainly more important than many 3dis in those states. But if this overly simplistic view is what's agreed upon then I won't contest it. I might bring it up for discussion in the future when I have time. --Polaron | Talk 03:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Then please do not continue reverting the corrections. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I do hope you're not implying that Route 15 and Route 19 (Connecticut) have equal importance. In Connecticut, there are only state roads and town roads (there are no county governments in Connecticut). The numbering of state roads has no pattern and includes both primary and secondary highways. I have not reverted those of high importance but only those that are realistically of low importance. Please do not accuse me of continuing to revert as I have not reverted the high importance ones. Are you saying that there are no highways of low importance in Connecticut? --Polaron | Talk 05:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

County routes would be the low ones. But please, until a change has been given consensus, do not revert the importances away from the current consensus. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

There are no county routes in Connecticut. Roads that would have been county routes in other states are maintained by the state. The issue of importance has not had wide discussion anyway. We shouldn't bee blindly following guidelines anyway as there are always exceptions. --Polaron | Talk 04:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, please follow the standard. If you disagree with it, go to WT:USRD/A, but follow the rule until it is changed. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The rule currently already allows for secondary state highways to be of Low importance. It just happens that both primary and secondary state highways in Connecticut (and MA and RI as well) are part of the same numbering system. --Polaron | Talk 04:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, only if it is legislatively designated by the state DOT as a secondary highway, should it be rated as lower. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Do what you must. You probably know more about CT highways than I do anyway. In the grand scheme of things it is not important. Good luck in implementing your plans. --Polaron | Talk 04:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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CR 80, Rockland County

Hey, sorry I'm still kind of new to this wiki thing, and couldn't find your question til now. I know for a fact, as I've traveled here, that CR 80 end shields are north of Rockland Lake, at US 9W, before that wrap around that you are talking about. I've seen on maps too though that CR 80 wraps around the lake ending again at US 9W. My guess is it is a part of CR 80, but unsigned for the reason they don't want to draw attention to the road, as it is through a state park, and they want to keep travel to those who are there to enjoy the park. It also could be something they removed recently as well, as the only update maps i've seen are from more than a year ago. If you have current ones from 2006 or 2007 could you send me the links or pdfs? Thanks! Airtuna08 02:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I'm gonna email the person in charge of transportation in Rockland County, and find out what the deal is with this route and a few others. If you want to add a line to the CR 80 page about the extra extension thats cool. I'll edit it later according to if I hear back from the transportation dept. Thanks! Airtuna08 16:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The Transportation Commissioner of Rockland County got back to me today. CR 80 does not extend around Rockland Lake any longer. It was unofficially part of the route from 2000-2004. But in other news, I updated the main page for the Rockland County Routes, should be all set to go. Thanks. Airtuna08 05:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-03-14 List of metropolitan areas by population

Please see that ;). —— Eagle101 ^{Need help?} 06:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Minor Routes in RI

Just so we're on the same page here, I wanted to ask what exactly constitutes a minor junction on the Rhode Island route pages? That way I can save you from extra work to do.  :) --Dbm11085 00:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Noted. I've also been trying to catalogue the RI routes by adding categories for the county/counties they pass through. Either way, thanks for clearing that up for me. --Dbm11085 01:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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I've added a new map. —Scott5114↗ 05:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Article request

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Thanks

Thanks for fixing the categories on List of numbered highways in Washington. It seems that whenever I do any copy and pasting on Wikipedia, I always forget to fix something. -- NORTH ^talk 18:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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Massachusetts Route 101

I thought you should know that I undid your redirects on Massachusetts Route 101 and Route 101 (Massachusetts) because there IS actually a Route 101 in Ashburnham. These therefore should not redirect to US Route 44, in my opinion. I'm probably going to write an article on 101 tonight when I get home from work. Did US-44 used to be called MA-101? If so, I will link to it in the article. Thanks. -- Tckma 18:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Viti Levu

The area you put in for this Fiji Island doesn't match the area listed in its article.

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San Diego-Tijuana Metropolitan Area.

The San Diego-Tijuana Metropolitan Area is a government recognized Metropolitan Agglomeration]. I don't know how you can't seem to understand that. The almost 5 million people that live there isn't something i'm just making up.

Also i don't think you understand the the guidelines of editing, because based on your other user discussion i've noticed i'm not the only person who has brought up issues with your edits. I say this because sub info is allowed for informational purposes.

I am giving you a heads up so you don't continue to make discriminating edits and ,maybe in the future, not have conflicts with other users about your free-lanced edits. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cooljuno411 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Why don't you cite a government source indicating which areas are included and the criteria for inclusion then? I am not saying that it doesn't exist but it doesn't fit into the definitions in the lists you're trying to put it into. For example, the New York MSA excludes Bridgeport because it is officially a separate metro area even though the urbanization is continuous. As long as you find a source for population and definition from thew U.S. Census Bureau or INEGI then you should be ok. --Polaron | Talk 23:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

SOURCING:

San Diego County: 3,051,280

Tijuana (not the entire): 1,410,700

Rosarito (not the entire municipality): 56,887

The population above is the Official population of San Diego County, Tijuana, and Rosarito.In the MEX portion, it doesn't include the entire municipality, just the municipality seat. if you add that up, it is about the same number as the World Gazz.

Cooljuno411 00:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That's not the concern. I'm sure the population figures add up correctly. But who defines this as a *single* metropolitan area. There is the Zona Metropolitana de Tijuana and the San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos Metropolitan Statistical Area. These are two seperate metro areas (like Washington and Baltimore) and should be ranked separately. The fact that they are sometimes treated together should be noted of course. --Polaron | Talk 00:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The San Diego-Tijuana Metropolitan Area is an Urban Agglomeration, which is the continues extent of a Built Up Area. San Diego-Tijuana feature continues urbanization and that is what makes it one metropolitan area.

Cooljuno411 00:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Then it should be easy to find an official source indicating that. --Polaron | Talk 00:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I already gave you a source but you did not want to accept it. And why would i put San Diego-Tijuana in the continues urban area only and not the metro article as well. Continues urbanization is a form of a metropolitan area.

Cooljuno411 00:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Metropolitan areas are defined by commuter flows to a single core city, at least on the List of metropolitan areas by population. A conurbation can span several metro areas. I've noted San Diego in the notable exclusions section. --Polaron | Talk 00:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

San Diego is the core center of the metro area. The San Diego-Tijuana border is the most traveled acrossed border in the world (if you want that source look at the article). The reason why people travel across that border, everyday, is mainly to come work in San Diego do to better pay.

You should be able to cite commuter flow statistics then that show that 25% of Tijuana residents that are employed work in San Diego County. Otherwise, they are treated as separate metro areas by the Office of Management and Budget which defines metropolitan areas in the U.S. --Polaron | Talk 00:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

List of countries by population

The UN report also lists overseas regions separately, so your argument is not logical. Either you include all of overseas France, either you exclude all of it. As for other countries, their overseas territories are not part of the country. E.g., Puerto Rico is not fully part of the US, and Bermuda is not fully part of the UK. People from Bermuda cannot vote in UK Parliament elections, and people from Puerto Rico cannot vote in US presidential elections. Also, if you are British it's quite hard to settle in Bermuda, and if you are American, it's quite hard to settle in Puerto Rico, because the local governments there restrict immigration to their territories. It completely different with the French overseas regions and territories. They are fully part of France, they vote in all national and european elections, and people can settle anywhere within the French Republic. A Parisian can settle in French Polynesia completely freely as if he/she was moving to Provence or Burgundy. Godefroy 22:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

If you're giving me the choice, I would exclude the overseas regions to be consistent with the UN report. If you do not like that, just remove the ranking from the French overseas territories. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 22:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes I would suggest removing the ranking from the overseas territories. I would also suggest removing them and the overseas regions altogether from the list. We do not list Hawaii or Alaska after all, do we? So why do we list Martinique or Réunion? Godefroy 22:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Also please note that in the past INSEE used to give population figures for Metropolitan France only, and people in overseas France resented that as they thought they were being treated as 2nd-class citizens, so now after they protested INSEE includes overseas France in its figures. Even the World Bank includes overseas France in the GDP and other economic figures for France. Last but not least, during the presidential campaign Sarkozy repeatedly mentioned that France was a country of 64 million people, so he certainly included both the overseas regions and territories in his figure. Godefroy 22:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and do that then. We should probably emphasize through that the France figure includes all overseas territories unlike other countries. --Polaron | Talk 23:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I've already added a footnote specifying that France here includes overseas France. As for removing French Polynesia and the likes, I'd rather hear from other people before, as some people might find the info interesting. But we can certainly remove the rankings for now. OR, another option would be to make a separate list of non-independent overseas territories where we would list: Channel Islands, Puerto Rico, Tokelau, French Polynesia, Martinique, Bermuda, Isle of Mann, Greenland, etc. Perhaps that would be the best solution. Godefroy 23:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Merritt_shield_lowres.jpg listed for deletion

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Nominating U.S. Route 9 in New York for GA

Since you made a substantial contribution to the article, I feel I should let you know that I am nominating it for GA now. If it passes, by all means claim a share of the credit. Daniel Case 04:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It has already been passed! Within hours! Great! Congratulations! Daniel Case 12:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

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Moving South Kent, Connecticut to South Kent

I'm just wondering why this was done. What happens when another South Kent posts a page? Phil 03:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It is only a section of the town of Kent. As with most Wikipedia article, disambiguation will be added when another article with the same name is created. --Polaron | Talk 04:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, Phil 12:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Delaware Valley

Hi. I was just wondering why you undid my revision to Delaware Valley. The article incorrectly states that the Philadelphia metropolitan area is the 5th-largest in the country. The city proper is the 5th-largest, but according to the source you cited, as a whole it is the 4th-largest metropolitan area. Please confirm and revert to my edit. Thanks. BroadSt Bully 13:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for your opinion

Hi Polaron, I notice you've made a few edits to the Ridgefield, Connecticut article, so you might be interested in contributing to a discussion at the Talk:List of people from Ridgefield, Connecticut page. I'm trying to get a consensus on what to do with a list of three people who many believed lived in Ridgefield, but didn't. If you have an interest, please look at the discussion and, whatever your opinion, I hope you'll comment. (I'm being careful here not to violate WP:Canvas, a guideline I support. If this message annoys you, I apologize and won't be writing more to you unless you request it.) Noroton 16:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Bulgarian population

...use it even if it's outdated (2006; when we have estimate for 2007)??? --PaxEquilibrium 18:02, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The NSI estimate is more reliable than the CIA Factbook. There are more than a couple of cases where the CIA Factbook figure is the outlier and this is one of them. The NSI figure agrees with both the Population Reference Bureau and the United Nations. --Polaron | Talk 18:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

List of countries by population density

What are the arguments for not having the countries that make up the union of the United Kingdom listed on this page? Since you never put a reason as to why you undid the changes.

The list basically includes entities listed in the List of countries. Since the primary administrative subdivisions of the UK are not there, they should not be in any ordered list of countries in Wikipedia either.

--Polaron | Talk 20:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, is it worth sticking them in as un-numbered entries to give people the information they require? Basically because each country which makes up the union has there own education system and they do projects based upon them and these figures are of great use for them. There are prob alot more reasons as well.

Also what defines a country on the list of countries page? Because the England page says its a country.

You should bring that up on the talk page of List of countries. --Polaron | Talk 13:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

RE: HDI

Oh, energetic particle -- real and imaginary (e.g., Star Trek) -- can you please assist/intervene at List of countries by Human Development Index? A particular semi-autonomous collection of baryons et al. continues to re-add the original HDI figure for the EU, which is disrupting my homeostasis and that of the article. Merci! Corticopia 03:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather not get into an edit war. As long as it's clear in the table that the figure is unsourced, it might be ok to leave it in for now. Try to get an RFC or something to get a wider opinion. --Polaron | Talk 15:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi -- thanks. Frankly, I don't see why we should tolerate unsourced information, particularly if it's incorrect and admittedly by that editor's own hand. I may launch an RfC and I'd rather not get into an edit war, but just might. Besides, I fail to see why this editor is so insistent on including it, beyond the fact that they may take pride in having calculated it in the first place and seeing it in 'print'? Corticopia 16:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Pomfret and Killingly Turnpike

Are you sure that this only used US 44? An 1813 map shows Mantup Road continuing east across the Quinebaug River. I was wrong about part of it, though, since it appears to have used Hurry Hill Road and Chase Road. An 1833 map still shows most of this, with the exception of the Quinebaug River crossing, and an 1856 map also omits the road between Hurry Hill Road and Chase Road. The book states that it passed over Killingly Hill, and [1] says that Killingly Hill is Putnam Heights, where Hurry Hill Road intersects Route 21. --NE2 22:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I didn't think to check aerial photos; most of the route near the Quinebaug River can still be seen, probably as property lines: [2] The other abandoned portion actually shows up as a trail on 1945 and 1989 USGS topos. --NE2 22:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

No definitive information. All I know is it connected to West Glocester Turnpike in RI, which according to this is now US 44. But it looks like you have more definitive evidence otherwise anyway. --Polaron | Talk 22:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I just realized that the 1813 map actually distinguishes turnpikes from public roads. The route as described is indeed shown as a turnpike. --NE2 23:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Pine Bridge

According to [3] (not sure if that URL will work; if not, search [4] for Pine Bridge), the historical post office name was Pines Bridge, but the present name is Pine Bridge. --NE2 23:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Pines Bridge is what is on the CT DECD list of principal communities and also seems to be in more common use. The name of the road through the that section of Beacon Falls is also Pines Bridge Road. --Polaron | Talk 23:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... you may be right. --NE2 00:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

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RE: Karachi Division

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rv unsourced changes

You undid the changes I'd done to the article List of countries by population. I do have sources but I don't see anybody else making reference to their source of information. According to Hagstofa Íslands (that would be those who take care of statistics around here) the population (01/04/2007) of Iceland is 309.699 not 301,000 as the out-of-date UN estimate states. Hagstofa Íslands provides the UN with those figures and now it's time to update them. Cheers. --S.Örvarr.S 15:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Just put a link to the source for your figures. You left the source as "UN estimate" but it is not the same figure as in the UN report, which is why I reverted. --Polaron | Talk 15:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, done. --S.Örvarr.S 17:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Ruhr area and your recent changes

With your recent changes of Largest urban areas of the European Union, I hope you realize how ridiculous it is that the List of metropolitan areas by population lists the Ruhr with 5,359,228 inhabitants whereas the list of largest urban areas of the European Union now lists the Ruhr area with 10,069,000 inhabitants. Great improvement of Wikipedia credibility! If you had taken time to read the talk page entirely, you would have understood why people didn't use the INSEE list. The INSEE list is based on the 2000 revision of the Geopolis list which uses new definitions of urban areas, whereas the list that you totally deleted was based on the 1990 definitions of urban areas which make more sense to pretty much everybody except you.

The 1990 definition distinguished Ruhr from Cologne, Brussels from Antwerp, Manchester from Liverpool, NYC from Philadelphia. Now the 2000 definitions consider Ruhr and Cologne as the same urban area (thus getting that ridiculous 10 million figure), Brussels, Antwerp and Ghent as a single urban area thus getting more than 4 million people, NYC and Philadelphia as a single urban area of 27 million (for Christ's sake, not even the US Census Bureau includes Philadelphia in the NY consolidated metro area!). These figures are completely meaningless, and I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why the Geopolis website is currently down is because they have received lots of negative feedback and they are perhaps checking their new definitions of urban areas.

I won't revert your changes, but I completely disagree with the use of the INSEE list for this article, and I am probably not the only one. Besides, the list had been adjusted to take into account cities that have grown tremendously since 2000, whereas the INSEE list you're using is based on 1990s growth rates. So for instance Madrid is completely underestimated (between 2000 and 2006 the Madrid Autonmous Community greww from 5 to 6 million), whereas Ruhr is bloated out of proportion. Keizuko 15:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I must stress that what I find the most extraordinary in this is that you have deleted the list entirely without consulting anyone or opening a debate on the talk page, despite the fact that the list was the result of edits from tens of serious editors over several years. Keizuko 15:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The Geopolis list is only a fall back if urban area data is not available from any other reliable source. By all means, feel free to replace figures with other ones as long as they are from national census authorities. As it was prior to my changes, most of the figures were unsourced. --Polaron | Talk 16:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, you should note that urban areas do not necessarily have to be smaller than metropolitan areas. Urban areas are based solely on morphological definitions without regard to how workers commute from one place to another. --Polaron | Talk 16:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

There's something you don't understand here. The INSEE list IS the Geopolis list. It's the same. INSEE used the Geopolis list, and updated the figures as of 2005 by using 1990s growth rates (Geopolis update their list only once every 10 years: 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010). What I'm trying to explain to you is that the INSEE list is based on the 2000 Geopolis list which uses a much wider definition of the urban areas than the 1990 Geopolis list (e.g. Brussels and Antwerp considered as a single urban area in the 2000 definiton whereas in the 1990 definition they were considered as two separate urban areas). Most people agree that the 1990 definition makes more sense, especially for very dense areas like west Germany or Belgium. Last but not least, you say feel free to replace figures with other ones from the national census authorities, but in most countries census authorities do not define urban areas, so there's no way to replace these stupid figures from the INSEE list with national census figures. Germany, Spain, and Belgium do not define urban areas for instance. And for the last time, there's nobody nowhere in the world that says that the Ruhr has 10 million inhabitants. You can check any encyclopedia, any geography book, any source, nobody ever says that the Ruhr has 10 million inhabitants. You should read Ruhr Area. So the list has it stands now has close to little credibility. Keizuko 14:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and one last thing. It is not true that prior to your changes most of the figures were unsourced. All the figures came either from the Geopolis list (with 1990 definitions) or from national census authorities (as for UK urban areas for instance). The only unsourced figures were those added by vandals over the months. Keizuko 14:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I know that the INSEE list is the Geopolis list, which is why I've always referred to it as the Geopolis list. (I don't recall ever calling it an INSEE list). Who are these "most people" you refer to? Wikipedia is not in the business of original research. If these people are authorities on urban areas, then there must be publications from these people that have the numbers you want. Just change the numbers that don't make sense to you with figures you agree with as long as they are sourced to a census authority or any other reliable source. Self-published sources by hobbyists are probably not what one would consider reliable. Regarding the Ruhr area, just change the label to "Ruhr area-Wuppertal-Koln" or something similar to reflect what the Geopolis list area actually refers to, and that way it will be clear. --Polaron | Talk 15:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Urban New England

Hi,

I see what you are going for (the Census Bureau's rationale), but I don't find it in the cites. I could be missing it, but I have a feeling that it is more complicated than anything we want to get into in the article. It may be good enough to say that "the Census Bureau treats it..." or "...considers it..."

However, if the rationale for forming the different Census Bureau statistical areas is in fact straightforward, let's just get it right and put it in. (And I apologize if it was in front of my face and I overlooked or misread it). Can you provide a source on how they decide?

Either way, the important bit is that southwestern and central Connecticut are (hand-waving here) "oriented" towards NYC. The census category shows that nicely. Jd2718 19:14, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the way you put it is probably sufficient for the New England article. Interested readers should probably read the Combined Statistical Area article anyway, where some these details are described. Let's leave it the way you rewrote it for now (until someone else tries to rephrase it again :) ). For reference, the methodology can be found here (p.11 of the pdf file). --Polaron | Talk 19:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Oops...

Thanks for fixing my error in Massachusetts Route 3. --NE2 22:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks also for the "save" with NY 58; it wasn't on the main New York map but does appear on the New Jersey map. --NE2 02:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

1920s routes

Do you anything about the history of Route 106? In 1926, it was a fully east-west route, violating the pattern. Did it extend north or south before Route 138 was designated? --NE2 22:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The earliest map I have with route numbers is also from 1926 and shows a routing of Easton Five Corners - Halifax - Kingston, which confirms what you said. I don't know any more than you do about it prior to that. My guess is it has been that way since it was first numbered. I wasn't aware though, that there was a supposed to be a pattern in the numbers. --Polaron | Talk 23:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

In every state I've looked at, including New York, the routes have followed the even/odd directional pattern set by the New England Routes. --NE2 00:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Can you verify whether NY 52 existed in essentially its present form to Carmel on your 1930 or 1931 map? Thank you. --NE2 08:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

In the 1930 map, the roads are indicated except for Walden-Newburgh and Stormville-Carmel. In the 1931 map, Walden-Newburgh appears as "under construction". The current Stormville-Carmel route is still not shown but NY 52 is indicated along old Route 39 from East Fishkill to West Patterson, then along a previously unnumbered road from West Patterson to Lake Carmel (current 311) and Lake Carmel to Carmel (current 52). It is possible that the current direct Stormville-Carmel route was a later realignment. I'll try to find out more information. --Polaron | Talk 15:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Additional info: In a 1938 map, the modern Stormville-Carmel alignment is now shown as 52. The Stormville-West Patterson segment is now 216 and the West Patterson-Lake Carmel segment is now an extension of 311 (originally West Patterson to NY 22). I don't have anything betwen 1932 and 1938 with me now. If I have time, I'll try and check the library next week to see when the realignment occurred. --Polaron | Talk 15:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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--Carabinieri 16:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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Would you care to explain why you're reverting my edits? It's more logic to have links to an actual page than to first link to a non-existant page that in turn links to the same page. JdeJ 22:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, I wasn't aware of it but I'll keep it in mind in the future. I find it a bit strange, sure, but since that's the rule I will of course follow it. Take care! JdeJ 00:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On July 3, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pearl Harbor Memorial Bridge (Connecticut), which you nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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Connecticut Route 108

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Greater Boston - Principal Cities

Hello, could you point me to a place where I can find the data for the principal cities list in Greater Boston? I watch that article, and I notice that cities get added and reverted from there all the time. The list can't be based on cities that have more jobs than residents, because, for example, Lowell (so I read somewhere) has a daytime population of 60,000, even though it has 100,000+ residents. However, as the 4th largest city in the state, and the second largest in Greater Boston, I think it belongs on this list. Lawrence is probably even worse for that, and Lynn, which isn't on the list, isn't much smaller than deeply depressed Lawrence. I think an official, directly cited source would reduce the constant edit/revert situation. Thanks, CSZero 13:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I checked the list and you're right. A couple of the cities are just the largest cities of the NECTA division they're in but not listed as principal cities. The list of principal cities is here. I'll go ahead and delete the non-principal cities. --Polaron | Talk 15:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! CSZero 17:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

...one more thing though. This list is obviously very factual, being census data and all, but as a resident of the state, it doesn't sit well with me because some of these places are pretty small, since what they really are are highway suburbs. Looking at, say, an areal map of the area, there are a lot of clearly visible, larger (but poorer,old, and economically depressed...), population centers that seem omitted. I'd almost like to make an asterick for the principal cities and towns list explaining where its from and why, and then have a second list of 'other population centers' with cities like Lowell, Lawrence, and Haverhill in the North, and Brockton, Fall River, New Bedford to the South. In the Boston core, there's Lynn at least and maybe Somerville. Many of these cities have 80,000+ residents, and I think that makes them mentionable. What do you think? CSZero 17:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want the list to be based on population, I think that is fine. That might even be closer to what most people think as major cities. My only concern is that people will start adding more and more to the list of towns. But I guess as long as we state the criteria, it should be ok. You might want to move this discussion to the article's talk page to get wider input. --Polaron | Talk 17:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking that - will do. CSZero 17:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Question about US 6 history

Do you know if US 6 between Port Jervis and Middletown ever had a state route number? Thank you. --NE2 03:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can tell from the old maps I have (1926 and 1927 Automobile Bluebook), the alignment used by US 6 west of Middletown in New York was not numbered. --Polaron | Talk 14:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you reference that, and anything else you have the maps for, on US 6#History? --NE2 03:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

redirecting CDPs

Just curious why you are redirecting CDP articles? The CDPs are usually distinct statistical subsets of the the towns, so I don't see the point of redirecting them. older ≠ wiser 20:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The CDPs I am redirecting are those that are not thought of as separate places locally. I have left CDPs for named areas that are distinct from the town center (so called villages). CDPs for town centers will never have any content in them that would not be in the town article. In Connecticut, the entire town is usually considered as one place. --Polaron | Talk 20:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

And there are verifiable sources that these are "not thought of as separate places locally"? The CDP articles already have content that is not in the primary town article -- the statistical data. That is enough for many tens of thousands of other articles about U.S. places -- I don't see why these should be treated differently. older ≠ wiser 22:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure you know very well that if the Census Bureau considered all CT towns as incorporated places (since they are in practice) and not as merely MCDs, then these CDPs wouldn't even exist. I'll bring this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Connecticut to get wider input. --Polaron | Talk 23:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Golden Horseshoe Sources

My source is the article for Guelph, Ontario where it says the Metro population is 200,425. Looking at the articles for other cities on the list such as Barrie, Toronto, and Hamilton, the metro populations are the exact same as the ones used on the golden horseshoe article. There is also a source for this information in the first paragraph of the Guelph article. If we need sources on both the Guelph and Golden Horseshoe pages for the same information, let me know and I will gladly put the source into that article as well. I just don't understand why all the other cities have metro numbers listed but Guelph uses a city proper number. --71.199.196.64 05:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you thank you thank you!

...for the reference to the National Bridge Inventory! I'll get a good look at that!! Denimadept 02:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I got a good look at it. It's a nice start, but he's got lots to add. Still worth checking, though.

re:List of countries by area 3RR violation

I am pretty sure that I didn't break the 3RR. Have a look again, the last 2 edits were not revertings. As I didn't received any replies on the talk page, I will add the EU back. Best regards, --Eurocopter tigre 20:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)