Talk:Woody Hayes

Highly Biased Article amended

Just want to point out that this coach, despite his football record, is best known for attacking a player and being fired for that. On ESPN's top 10 "cheap shots" of all time, Woody Hayes' attack on an opposing player is ranked #1. If you exclude the Ohio faithful, Hayes is clearly best known for getting fired for attacking an opposing player on national television. It is a complete disregard for the truth to not include the incident that ended his career and set a new coaching low in the introductory paragraph of his biography. Not including the attack in the introductory paragraph would be like not mentioning the OJ murder trial in the opening paragraph of an OJ wiki bio. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.26.156 (talk) 12:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Simply objectively incorrect 2603:6010:A140:7D:C4E4:8E2:81DB:292E (talk) 22:01, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Untitled

Is their anyone out there that knows Woody personally or a desc of the family? I was told that Woody Hayes asked my grandmother to marry him. I was told she turned him down not wanting to be second to football, I am trying to get an approx. date this occured. Thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.199.214 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Hayes married in 1942, so it would be earlier. Rkevins82 02:22, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Fine Article

This is a fine, and very well balanced, article on the great football coach. I grew up in Columbus between 1953 and 1970 during the Woody Hayes era and I consider him a part of my life. I will always be an Ohio State fan. My mother (who was a nurse on the faculty at OSU and later with the VA) knew him personally due to his frequent visits to patents at University Hospital and attendance at social gatherings. She thought him a fine gentleman. She also believed that later in his career he may have been over-medicated and that this may have contributed to his frequent anger management problems during that period. Coach Hayes, though politically conservative, was always a strong supporter of education at all levels, frequently speaking across Ohio (and later even Michigan) in favor of increased educational funding. Jay Gregg 18:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

We live in Columbus where my Husband grew up. Our neighbors and others all claim that Woody took medication and some claim the medicaiton caused the temper and others that the medication would wear off so Woody would be out of control by the end of the game. I have been unable to find a credible source for medications, amounts, neurological condition being treated, etc AND he was violent as early as the '50s per the article. Does anyone have concrete information regarding medication or is this an excuse used locally to make it easier to overlook this mans violent behavior?

BTW my in laws met Woody when he visited the hospital after a game. I understand he did this alot taking roses with him to pass out.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.117.21 (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

HOWEVER: whomever keeps editing this article to include the bit about Woody striking the Clemson player needs to stop doing so. That is not relevant information for the introduction to Woody Hayes; it is dealt with properly in a later section of the article. I suspect that whomever keeps including that information is attempting to paint Woody in a negative light. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.79.127 (talk) 00:35, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree completely, and agree with the comment in the above section that Hayes' temperament and "the punch" need to be mentioned in the introductory paragraph. Your best sign that this is NOT an unbiased article, by the way, is Jay Gregg. This guy bleeds Buckeyes, and says it's a "fine, well-balanced article." I respect Hayes as a coach, but his temper was always an issue and however unfortunate that is, it needs to be mentioned in the introduction section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.103.15 (talk) 22:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Hayes Pass Quote

The quote is cited to a number of people. Therefore, notation should be made that it is not clear who first used it, but it is associated with Hayes (among others). Rkevins82 04:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

E. R. Sweetland

I noticed that the link on the list of all the Ohio State Coaches on the bottom of the page for E. R. Sweetland does not work. There is a article about him under Edwin Sweetland. I would fix it but I don't know how.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 09er (talk • contribs) 20:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

You created the redirect E. R. Sweetland a couple of days after posting this. Glad to see you figured it out. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Civilization Quote

As I always heard it the correct quote is "god damned civilization." I don't think that wikipedia editors should be sanitizing history for matters of religious political correctness and sensibilities.--Sam Harmon 22:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

What kind of political correctness and sensibilities should they be sanitizing it for?--Buckboard 09:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Go for three quote

There is some dispute whether Hayes actually said that we went for a 2-point conversion against Michigan while OSU was up 34-0. One player said that there was confusion after the late touchdown, and that they couldn't get the special teams onto the field in time, so the Bucks went for two. The important factor is that a player said that Woody did not believe in running up the score, so that it would have been out of character for him to say the quote. --teckels4 16:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

In fact Lou Holtz, who was one of Woody's assistants at the time, told us the same story when I was at a coaching convention back in the early 90s. I'm inclined to think it was true - especially since it was Ohio State vs. Michigan. --66.75.114.153 01:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

The quote was added (back) to the article at 05:12, 28 November 2014 by 67.165.26.89. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Earlier, the quote was added on 17 September 2006 to the since-removed "Notable quotes" section. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Here's the best answer we'll probably find: Did Woody Hayes Really Say ‘I Couldn’t Go For Three’? June 13, 2018 by Tom Orr

Q. Did It Really Happen? A. Not the way the story says.

Interesting. wbm1058 (talk) 21:10, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

The quote was just removed from this bio but, for the moment anyway, still lives on in the 1969 Ohio State vs. Michigan football game and The Ten Year War articles. wbm1058 (talk) 22:10, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Copyright infringement???

I found this exact article at: http://www.answers.com/topic/woody-hayes

PS Hayes WOULD run the score up on M*ch*g*n because he despised that team up north Xtreem02 01:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)Xtreem02

Woody as recruiter for Notre Dame

What is the proof/reference/cite for the proposition that Hayes steered recruits toward Notre Dame? Which recruits, specifically, went to ND based on Woody's recommendation, as opposed to a self-serving statement Woody may have made at one time? I am a Notre Dame fan who's lived in Cleveland most of my life and I've never heard that Woody considered himself the Irish's best recruiter before and so therefore I doubt that statement's veracity. As far as I know, the only thought Woody gave to Notre Dame was that he refused to schedule any games against them, as per John Kryk's book about the Notre Dame/Michigan rivalry, "Natural Enemies" (2007) ISBN 978-1-58979-330-9, at page 154Hanksummers (talk) 13:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I will delete the bit about Woody being ND's best recruiter unless someone can come up with a valid cite and names of some recruits he steered away from Ann Arbor and to South Bend. Hanksummers (talk) 19:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

OSU National Championships

What entity awarded Ohio State with a National Championship in 1970? What about 1961? Hanksummers (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

quotes should be moved

All these quotes should join his page on wikiquotes, not live in a large section here as per wiki standards. Someone want to synch them up before I delete the section? --Patchyreynolds (talk) 02:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Quotes were moved to HERE. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

ESPN characterization of incident as most unsportsmanlike moment in history of sports is a false statement

The article on Woody Hayes states that ESPN characterized the incident as the most unsportsmanlike moment in the history of sports. ESPN may have made the statement, but the statement is false. I can think of at least four incidents that were far more unsportsmanlike than the confrontation between Woody Hayes and Charlie Bauman.

The most unsportsmanlike moment in the history of sports might have been the massacre of the Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich.

The second most unsportsmanlike moment in the history of sports might have been the gladiators in ancient Rome. People were killed in the arena for "sport?"

Mike Tyson chopping off an opponent's ear in the ring was a horrendous example of unsportsmanlike conduct.

The attack on Nancy Kerrigan at the practice round for the 1994 Olympics was far worse than Woody Hayes' harmless punch into Charlie Bauman's face mask.

In 1987, Woody Hayes was an old man who had probably lost his sanity. It's too bad that he went out in such terrible fashion.

Since the ESPN characterization of Hayes' punch as the most unsportsmanlike moment in the history of sport is NOT the truth, it might be a good idea to delete the statement from the article. I will not delete the statement myself, but a system administrator might want to obliterate the statement from the article. If a statement is NOT the truth, why leave it in the article? As an alternative, the statement could remain in the article but readers could be politely informed that there were far worse incidents in the history of sport. In 1945, the experts said that the 4-minute mile was a human impossibilty. A lot of people don't know what they're talking about.

Anthony22 (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't strive for truth, just verifiability. The fact is, ESPN did classify it as such, I saw the clip. For what it's worth, Kerrigan and Holyfield were on the list. We don't have videos for gladiators, and gladiatorial combat wasn't really a "moment." It does not matter if your opinion is that Hayes's punch was not the most unsportsmanlike moment, the fact is, is that ESPN placed it #1 on their list, and we are striving for reliable, verifiable sources. Cocytus [»talk«] 12:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, Cocytus. WP is meant to be an informative amalgamation of verifiable, authoritative, and recognized sources. ESPN is clearly a notable voice in the field of sports journalism. Its editorial opinion on Coach Hayes' action is just as valid for inclusion as would be, say, an editorial line from ''The Wall Street Journal'' referring to Warren G. Harding as America's most corrupt president. The entry, in presenting it, isn't validating ESPN's position, but simply presenting that opinion. (That said, yes, how is Munich 1972 NOT the selection?)ThtrWrtr (talk) 15:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I agreed with Cocytus and Patchyreynolds. The lead of this article as it stands is largely my edit, and I've included mention of it the Gator Bowl incident there in the context of Hayes' honorable accomplishments. As for Munich '72, I'd say that's beyond the scope of unsportsmanlike conduct, both in terms of intent and magnitude of wrongdoing. The perpetrators weren't sportsmen there either. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

NROTC faculty position?

The article states that Hayes took a faculty position with Navy ROTC after being fired. That seems dubious to me, since in my experience, all ROTC faculty members are active duty military officers, and their salaries are funded by the DOD. I don't see how or why they would hire a civilian even if he was a former officer. This information needs a citation or else it will be removed from the article. --rogerd (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

World War II movie host

I believe that the interview Woody Hayes conducted with Manfred Rommel took place in Columbus, Ohio, in June 1981 during the Biennial World Congress of the International Union of Local Authorities (IULA). Rommel, as mayor of Stuttgart, was also an official of IULA and attended the congress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.4.46.162 (talk) 14:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Hayes' comments on MyLai Massacre, appropriate or not?

I'm a newbie to wikipedia. I do a lot of research reading old newspapers and today I came across a reference, unrelated to my research but interesting, that I'm not sure how to (or whether to) incorporate into the page. I'm seeking advice on whether to add it, and in what part of the page.

The reference is a 1969 article about Woody Hayes (the football coach) discussing the My Lai massacre at a sports banquet, saying something along the lines that all those men, woman and children deserved to die. That's stronger than the actual statement, here's the link (the quote is at the bottom of the second column): http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19691212&id=Es4bAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fVAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7306,5888738

I looked for information about that on Hayes' page and see no mention of it. It would seem to naturally belong in the controversies section, with text drawing a connection to his interest in military history (which also seems only lightly covered) and pro-war beliefs. But I can't really say his statements were considered controversial at the time he made them. According to the writer, the audience approved.

Would it be appropriate to add a short paragraph with that reference? Or not? (I'm not trying to sling mud) If it's not appropriate, what specifically is the reason? It certainly isn't relevant to his primary career. But he did have a secondary career as a military historian.

Thanks in advance for any advice.DiffuseGoose (talk) 02:33, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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I don't know how to do this, so probably shouldn't do it right now. But it's too late for me to research and I'm past 50 so might forget about it!!  ;) I don't know in which section of Woody's article this should be placed, but I personally find it an interesting fact that his eulogy was delivered by Richard Nixon. In the book, I Remember Woody, the occasion of their meeting is described. It was at John Galbraith's Darby Day farm, and RM Nixon is quoted as saying, "I wanted to talk about football and Woody wanted to talk about foreign policy. You know Woody. We talked about foreign policy"

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Parseghian missing Hayes attack

I was watching the bowl game where Hayes punched the opposing player, with Jackson and Parseghian as announcers. Hayes’ attack was clearly shown on screen. Although Parseghian said nothing on air, he could be clearly heard off camera noting the incident. 67.86.154.4 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

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