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@MagicatthemovieS: Can you please explain how the article supports the category Converts to Taoism? We describe Le Guin's interest in Taoism in detail, but at no point do we have biographical information saying she converted, or that she expressed belief in Taoism as a religious system. Vanamonde93 (talk) 01:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
The sources you added aren't quite enough. I don't see how an opinion piece in Yes would be enough to call Le Guin a religious Taoist, but in any case the article does no such thing: it says "Le Guin’s Taoism is a thread woven through every facet of her worldsview", which is not calling it a religious view. And in the Paris Review interview, Le Guin explicitly says she's unhappy with the term "religion" being applied to her Taoism. This is a WP:FA, and substantive changes to it really need consensus before they are implemented, once they've been challenged. Vanamonde93 (talk) 02:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Look, you can make the argument that Christianity, Islam, Scientology, etc. aren't really religions, they are philosophies. The line between the two concepts is blurry and always will be. You are drawing a line between "religious Taoists" and "philosophical Taoists" that is brand new. Wiki defines Taoism as a "religion" whether Le Guin liked the word or not. If she was a Taoist, and she wasn't born into Taoism, she was a convert. I do agree, however, with the idea that I need consensus.MagicatthemovieS (talk) 02:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)MagicatthemovieSReply
The main reason I don't think the category is appropriate is that there is no evidence she considered herself a Taoist, as opposed to someone influenced by Taoism. This is not an arbitrary distinction -- for example Douglas Hofstadter has been strongly influenced by Zen Buddhism but does not consider himself a Zen Buddhist. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Mike says what I mean better than I do. I made the point about philosophical Taoism because that's how I understand what Le Guin said, but regardless, the sources do not say she was a Taoist. The "convert" label isn't appropriate either; Conversion isn't a value-neutral label, it's a loaded term that also requires sourcing. Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
level-4 vital article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
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