Talk:Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès

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Need a Latin scholar

"Qui, Quae et Quod" was recently and anonymously changed to "Hic, Haec et Hoc." I have no idea which is correct in this context, suppose both could be; lacking citation, I'm lost here. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

This has now been restored to the original by Adam Carr. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:39, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Homosexuality

I would like to call your attentions on the fact that a confusion is made between PENAL code (which deals with sexual offences) and CIVIL code (which does not), since Jean-Jacques Régis de Cambacérès only contributed to the LATTER. As far as I know, no direct influence on the matter came from him. Simbalis' entry, which is quoted in the entry, correctly deals with the matter, the rest been added in and by Wikipedia ought to be proved before being stated. I made the point clair on the Italian version of Wikipedia: it:Jean-Jacques Régis de Cambacérès. I know that the role by Cambacèrès in abolishing anti-sodomy laws is a historical myth dating from the Fifties, yet this is but a myth. Anti-sodomy laws were abolished in 1791 when the French Revoluzion abolished all "imaginary crimes", i.e. heresy, whitchcraft... sodomy. It was a deliberate action, stemming from the principles of Enlightenment, which was actually watered down, not created, in the Code Napoléon. Best wishes G.dallorto 11:18, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I quote here what simbalis has to say on the matter:

There is a persistent myth that the Napoleonic Code decriminalized homosexuality in France. In addition, many historians attribute this decriminalization to the intervention of the Second Consul (and later Arch-Chancellor), Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès (1753-1824), himself a homosexual, who played a key role in writing the code. This, too, is an historical error.

Civil law regulates relations within civil society, including contracts, property, family, marriage and divorce, inheritance, and so on. Sexual offences--such as rape, public indecency, and proscribed sex acts--fall within the domain of criminal, not civil law. While it is true that the Penal Code promulgated by Napoleon in 1810 did not make homosexual relations a criminal offence, this was no innovation in France. The French Revolution (1789-1799) decriminalized homosexuality at a time when Napoleon was only a lieutenant in the royal army and Cambacérès an obscure provincial judge.

Cambacérès and Homosexuality

I have taken the liberty of editing this entry to make it historically accurate. Historians -- of which I am only the most recent -- have long known that Cambacérès had nothing to do with the elimination of homosexuality from French criminal law. Anyone who wants a fuller analysis of the problem, should consult my essay: Michael Sibalis, “The Regulation of Male Homosexuality in Revolutionary and Napoleonic France, 1789-1815,” in Homosexuality in Modern France, ed. Jeffrey Merrick and Bryant T. Ragan (New York, Oxford University Press, 1996). 80-101. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sibalis (talk • contribs) 5 July 2006.

Ahem. You contend that Cambacérès did not work on the Penal Code and did not influence its absence of homosexual offenses. Robert Badinter, cited in the article, said the contrary. I'm not a historian and do not know who is correct, but there is certainly something to be researched there. David.Monniaux (talk) 08:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Questionable link

Cambaceres.org is a bit ad-heavy for my tastes, though it does seem to have some relevant (French-language) material. What do others think? - Jmabel | Talk 03:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It's been several days, no one has chimed in, I'll remove it. - Jmabel | Talk 19:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Succession

I removed the succession box as there is not continuity between the Bourbon Dukes of Parma and this gentleman here. Indeed, he was created Duke, in this case a purely honorary title, is but he was not succeeded by Marie Louise, as the box claims. Whether there was a succession and how it went I do not know. It nothing to do with the actual Dukes of Parma and Piacenza. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 01:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Article Flow

I went through the article and re-worded some sentences to improve the overall flow of the article. There was one sentence from the 'Later Career' section that I removed because it was worded very strangely and didn't really have that much relevance to the section. I also changed a part of the main section. It previously stated that Cambaceres was the author of the Napoleonic Code, when it reality he was one of five authors. He was mostly responsible for the draft. Please let me know your thoughts. -Revolutionary27 (talk) 02:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Content

I deleted the sentence that stated that Cambaceres was not part of the Committee of Public Safety, he was in fact part of it, and I included the appropriate citation. I also added a sentence about his relationship with Napoleon. -Revolutionary27 (talk) 03:53, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Adding on and Bibliography

Hello, I am going to be adding onto this page over the next few weeks and would greatly appreciate any feedback or thoughts that anyone would have. I plan on further organizing the article by dividing it into the following sections:

• Early Life
• National Convention
• Rise Under Napoleon
• The Napoleonic Code
• Life with Napoleon 1804-1814
• Private Life
• Freemasonry

If anyone disagrees or has any thoughts, please let me know. For a more detailed breakdown of what I plan on doing to this page, please feel free to visit my sandbox page Revolutionary27 Sandbox. The sources that I will be using to get my information from will be included below. I hope that we can finally get this page verified. Please let me know what you think.

• Connelly, Owen, and Harold T. Parker. Historical Dictionary of Napoleonic France: 1799-1815. Westport, CT: Greenwood, 1985. Print.
• Cronin, Vincent. Napoleon Bonaparte; An Intimate Biography. N.p.: Cronin, Vincent, 1972. Print.

• Englund, Steven. Napoleon: A Political Life. New York: Scribner, 2004. Print.

• Gueniffey, Patrice. Bonaparte: 1769-1802. Paris: Gallimard, 2016. Print.

• Haythornthwaite, Philip John. Who Was Who in the Napoleonic Wars. London: Arms & Armour, 1998. Print.

• Jordan, David P. Napoleon and the Revolution. Houndmills, Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan, 2014. Print.

• Lamothe-Langon, Etienne LeÌon De. Evenings with Prince Cambaceres. London: S.n., 1837. Print.

• Lyons, Martyn. Napoleon Bonaparte and the Legacy of the French Revolution. Basingstoke: Macmillan, 1994. Print.

• Merrick, Jeffrey, and Bryant T. Ragan. Homosexuality in Modern France. New York: Oxford UP, 1996. Print.

• Newman, Edgar Leon., and Robert Lawrence. Simpson. Historical Dictionary of France from the 1815 Restoration to the Second Empire. London: Aldwych, 1987. Print.

• Pope, Stephen. Dictionary of the Napoleonic Wars. London: Cassell, 1999. Print.

• Raymond, Gino. Historical Dictionary of France. Lanham, MD: Scarecrow, 2008. Print.

• Richardson, Hubert N. B. "Cambaceres." Dictionary of Napoleon and His Times. Place of Publication Not Identified: Rareclub Com, 2012. 94-95. Print.

• Schom, Alan. Napoleon Bonaparte. Norwalk, CT: Easton, 2001. Print.

• Woloch, Isser. Napoleon and His Collaborators: The Making of a Dictatorship. New York: W.W. Norton, 2001. Print.

-Revolutionary27 (talk) 01:20, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

References

Change of article structure and content additions

I have recently changed the structure of this article. I split it up into more sections so that the article flows in chronological order and highlights the important parts of his life. I also added more details to the article. The details include things about his private life and time in the national assembly. To see exactly what I added, feel free to visit my sandbox: Revolutionary27 Sandbox. Aside from minor edits, I didn't change or delete any of the original content; the majority of my contributions were additions. Feel free to leave any comments or suggestions about what I have done to the article. Thank you! -Revolutionary27 (talk) 23:21, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

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