Talk:Náströnd

Helgard and Niflheim

What is the difference between Helgard and Niflheim. I know that Helgard means "home of Hel" and Helheim (also referred to in these articles) is "Hel-home" but what of Niflheim? Am I researching it wrong?

Our current articles on this are confusing and wrong. I'm working on providing accurate information. The first order of business is to get rid of names like "Helgard(h)" which don't occur in the original sources. - Haukur 17:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Unicode

Haukur, I very much agree with your revision of my revision of 15 January 2006 , i.e.;

"(It's actually o-ogonek :) and since it's a direct quote it seems dubious to replace it with 'ö'. Try if you see it now, I've inserted a Unicode template.) "

Since it is a direct quote, I should have paid more attention before blythely substituting a "ö" for the blank characters. However, the Unicode template you inserted didn't seem to fix the problem when I view the text. I suspect many others have this problem as well, as o-ogonek does not seem to be supported in many fonts.

I think the whole point of writing is to convey a meaning by duplicating spoken sounds. The character "ö", or even "o" conveys more meaning to me than a blank space or a little rectangle and at least approximates the proper sound.

I don't want to make a mountain out of a mole-hill, or make more work for you, but is there anything else we can do about this?

Kærir þakkir,

Kristoffur

Hmm... I think that this should show up on most modern computer systems. You can download some Unicode fonts if you'd like :)

Those in the Unicode template are: TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Code2000, Doulos SIL, Chrysanthi Unicode, Bitstream Cyberbit, Bitstream CyberBase, DejaVu Sans, Bitstream Vera, Thryomanes, Gentium, GentiumAlt, Visual Geez Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial Unicode MS, Microsoft Sans Serif, Lucida Sans Unicode in that order. Some of those are freely available, though I'm not an expert on this. - Haukur 21:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Náströnd -inside- Hel, the location?

Hello! After citing all significant mentions of Hel, the location, in the Hel (realm) article, I've noticed in the translations I've used that there is no mention as to if Náströnd is in Hel or not and the mentioning of it is actually entirely on the two passages found here. In fact, it seems like it isn't really mentioned as a part of Hel at all, even though this would be a logical conclusion given that the "oath breakers" and "murderers" end up there. However, as we know, this is always a gray area and the dead go to numerous places that are not necessarily directly related. So, basically, my question: is there something in the original Old Norse text that I am missing that seems to indicate that Náströnd is inside of Hel outside of the fact that dead people go there? :bloodofox: (talk) 11:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)