Commons:Deletion requests/File:Tiltedarc.jpg
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This image infringes the copyright of the sculptor, Richard Serra. Copyright registration VAu000096606 / 1986-04-21 Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Keep - if a construction company would put a steel wall like this somewhere, I think Serra would have a hard time suing for copyright infringement. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:29, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Delete based on the fact that it is registered --Ben.MQ (talk) 08:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC)- Keep - I agree with Pieter Kuiper - we can call something 'art' because it's pointless, but we cannot call something eligible for copyright because it's pointless. I don't know what was registered exactly, but what we see in the picture is just a sheet of metal, too simple to be a copyright issue - Jcb (talk) 19:35, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Comment I agree with Jcb that it looks simple to have a copyright -- however institutions and individuals pay big money for Serra's work and the USCO has registered this work. I do not see how we can keep an image of a USA sculpture that has a valid US Copyright registration, however much we think it is too simple.
- Pieter, you need to remember that copyright infringement requires actual copying. If a construction company put a similar wall someplace, it would not be an infringement unless they deliberately copied this work. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 22:18, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - Original uploader here. I think it is a legitimate question whether a 120-foot-long, "solid, unfinished plate of COR-TEN steel", as the article calls it, is indeed copyrightable. I, too, don't know what was registered exactly. After having closely read the Cloud Gate photo page on en.wikipedia.org, out of an abundance of caution, I have uploaded this Tilted Arc photo to a new filename on en.wikipedia.org, marked it as a fair use photo with detailed comments, and linked the Tilted Arc article on en to the new upload. (I am under the impression fair use photos aren't supposed to go on Commons.) I do wish that were unambiguously permitted in the US to resolve this issue. Comet Tuttle (talk) 08:31, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- Again, what was registered was this sculpture, an arc (in plan view, the curve is not visible in this side view) of steel. The cite reads "sculpture in plaza, Richard Serra". With the number above the registration is an easy search at http://www.copyright.gov/records/.
- We need to remember that simplicity does not mean a lack of creativity. The work of Mondrian and Calder comes to mind. The work of both is extremely simple, yet it has stood the test of time. Serra is not as well know, but clearly is well received by the art community and the public. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:56, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: No Freedom of Panorama in the U.S., and we generally trust the Copyright Office to decline registration when a work is too simple for copyright. Since the registration was granted, we have to assume it's eligible for copyright. Powers (talk) 18:27, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
