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File:KiwiJoshMoon.png

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There is no proof that Joshua Moon personally agreed to this being released under the CC-BY license. The archive link to the video suggests that the uploader is "Kiwi Farm Archives": that is a valid source, but does not represent a valid permission. For example, I can't reupload something copyrighted by Wikimedia Foundation on my channel named as "Wikimedia Foundation Archives" under the CC-BY license and have a screenshot of that video uploaded to Commons. 0xDeadbeef (talk) 15:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See also File talk:KiwiJoshMoon.png for more details. 0xDeadbeef (talk) 15:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Weak keep based off of this page indicating that the channel was official (and therefore would've been operated by Joshua Moon, who is the owner/operator of Kiwi Farms). The description of the video also supports this, and while it could've been an impersonator, it seems very likely to me that it's not. Elli (talk) 15:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Elli: How does that indicate it was official? The description says "archives for Null's streams" and that is only a link to Kiwi Farms. If you see this [1], would you then say that if this channel posts some video under CC-BY then someone would be allowed to upload it to Commons? Again, there is no evidence that Null actually agreed to this being released under CC-BY. 0xDeadbeef (talk) 09:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There isn't "no evidence" that Null agreed to this being released under CC-BY. This channel uploaded multiple livestreams by Null, in decent video quality; the channel essentially claimed to be official; I don't see a convincing reason to doubt that it was an official channel. Elli (talk) 19:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Weak keep per my Wikipedia comment "Though the video itself is not archived, the actual licensing on the video itself is available on the archive. This clearly shows that it is under a CC license, which is non-revocable. There is no reason to suspect that the screenshot does not originate from the video in question". Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per above archived and verifiable video means this can be used.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:23, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Weak keep As far as I can tell, this was a legitimate channel operated by Null, as a storage location for any livestreams he had done. Based on comments on the forums themselves, the channels appear to have been deleted circa mid-September 2021. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Considering how dangerous the site is and how the site has been banned to the dark web, any potential copyright disputes could be a problem for other users since it wouldn't be handled in the same way copyright disputes usually are. So if we're not sure if the file is copyrighted or not I think we should delete it to be on the safe side Stephanie921 (talk) 20:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If there are any bad actors "trolling" in this discussion, then their words can be swiftly removed and then they can be banned. 155.205.200.199 03:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, apparently some Wikipedia editors who were discussing Kiwi Farms on the talk page had threads about them - with one getting their personal info leaked. I agree he and Kiwi Farms are noteworthy and should be covered, I'm just worried about a copyright dispute with this picture since if it is copyrighted Moon probably wouldn't settle it with methods that are civil and legal @User:Ikan Kekek. Not to mention what other users of the site might do at his behest/on his behalf. If we can be sure it's not copyrighted then we probably don't need to be worried. But if there are concerns about it being copyrighted - whether is or not - the consequences of taking it down would be better than the consequences of taking a risk. It's one photo. The article can cover his noteworthiness, so staking everything on this one photo isn't worth it Stephanie921 (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I definitely understand the issue and don't take a view on it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Here's the issue: does this channel have permission to upload the content? Did the original channel? Part of the issue here is that it's very, VERY common for KiwiFarms content to get removed and reuploaded, typically by people who are not in any position to decide on copyright status of their uploads. Basically, we can't guarantee that the original KiwiFarms Archive was actually run by Null or affiliated with him. For all we know, it could have been some random viewer who downloaded the stream and uploaded it. As such, there is a reasonable question of copyright status.
Also, we have another image of Null at File:Joshua Conner Moon.png. The account is someone claiming to be Null and it's labeled as their own work. It's not as recent, but it doesn't have the same issues of copyright, not exactly. I say just delete the image in question and use the older one. If a more recent image is needed, then upload something under fair use on Wikipedia. ReaderofthePack (talk) 14:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Without a verification checkmark or something similar on the original YT account, we can't tell if the license was laundered; and as we have another perfectly fine image of Moon, this is not a hill we need to die on. —howcheng {chat} 21:11, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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