But is it soulless?
Yes,But is it soulless?
If you're a Twilight Zone fan, there was an episode that dealt with a future in which the sport of boxing was done through robots, where it was now illegal for humans to engage in the sport. Then there was that Hugh Jackson movie where he controlled the robot through shadow boxing.Driverless car racing is really supersized remote control cars or slot cars. What’s next, we replace boxing with rock’um, sock ‘um robots?
I was going to say, if you're looking at autonomous race cars it doesn't really seem like it makes sense to start at full-size human-scale cars; glad to hear there are some other ideas out there.There’s a startup doing FPV RC racing but not with full-size cars. The scale speeds are quite high though. Keep meaning to dig into them for a story but still haven’t had time.
On that topic I would also strongly recommend reading Hazel's piece about going to Saudi Arabia to report on Formula E, as a woman. It's much more thoughtful than you might expect:
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Because they look like F1 cars to a casual observer, and to much of the world that is the pinnacle of motorsport.Seems odd as to why they would pick an open wheel platform to test this. I would think a more robust vehicle would be preferable.
To be fair, they weren't using sophisticated driving AI. I imagine that once they get properly trained AI to drive them the results will be very different.Pretty disasterous if you watch any video of the event.
I have seen racing RC cars converted to be autonomous racing that was more exciting.
There's a go-kart version of "Mario Kart" already available. Just need to remove the driver and add the autonomous driving capability, and you'll have everything in place. https://www.battlekart.com/en/Shells, bananas and suchlike.
Hugh Jackman and the movie is called Real Steel, now showing on Netflix.If you're a Twilight Zone fan, there was an episode that dealt with a future in which the sport of boxing was done through robots, where it was now illegal for humans to engage in the sport. Then there was that Hugh Jackson movie where he controlled the robot through shadow boxing.
Seems odd as to why they would pick an open wheel platform to test this. I would think a more robust vehicle would be preferable.
Maybe just go a step further and do a car-less, driverless race.
I don't know, F1 drivers have raced along side the likes of Maldonado and Stroll full well knowing they could crash into them at any second. Seems like racing a computer might be safer?
I am aware of that. It was a joke. But one could also argue that each of those drivers didn't get into F1 because they were the best options.To race in F1 you need to first build a career in lower series with good enough results to qualify for a FIA Super License.
And then every race weekend you need to be able to put your car within 7% of the pole position time to be allowed to start the race on Sunday.
Maldonado and Stroll are still very very above average drivers.
Last I checked the video was on Youtube. The "action" was mostly cars following each other, cars stopping because the car in front of them stopped, and such. It was what you'd expect from an early test of the tech.No action shots of the race?
I was getting a bit weirded out how none of the tires in the static pictures were touching the pavement... Until I noticed a little bit of jackstand under one of the cars, I had thought the pics were faked.
The cars are impressive, but it will be a long time until they're competitive against human drivers.
Words that are technically true, yet I never expected to read about a driver nicknamed The Russian Torpedo!Kvyat is a highly skilled driver…
R/C racing has existed for a long time.This is all interesting, but I'm really interested in why we haven't seen racing with remotely piloted cars (like these big open-wheel ones). It seems to me that it could be very exciting, as once you take the meat bag out of the cockpit, you can then dial up the performance of the cars. If the virtual racers were on site, the latency could be very low and doable.
Of course, that takes the danger out of the remote driver's mind, but there is still a penalty for crashing your expensive race car too often, which is, of course, losing your virtual seat.
With VR and augmented reality, it seems this is doable and would be far more interesting in my mind than watching a bunch of AI race each other.
What's funny, is while this race was such a big disappointment, there are, Ukraine is apparently mass-producing AI driven vision based kamikaze drones right now.So I guess there's still a long way to go before we can install weapon systems on these cars to make the race more interesting.
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This is essentially Drone Racing (lookup DRL), and you're correct that being on-site minimizes lag issues. I think it could be interesting, but a car on a flat track isn't quite as exciting as an angry flying blender ripping through a 3D obstacle course. But, hey, I'm all for some variety in the space!This is all interesting, but I'm really interested in why we haven't seen racing with remotely piloted cars (like these big open-wheel ones). It seems to me that it could be very exciting, as once you take the meat bag out of the cockpit, you can then dial up the performance of the cars. If the virtual racers were on site, the latency could be very low and doable.
Of course, that takes the danger out of the remote driver's mind, but there is still a penalty for crashing your expensive race car too often, which is, of course, losing your virtual seat.
With VR and augmented reality, it seems this is doable and would be far more interesting in my mind than watching a bunch of AI race each other.
Mad Max races, automated. Live machine guns, rockets, spears, what have you.So I guess there's still a long way to go before we can install weapon systems on these cars to make the race more interesting.
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I'm waiting for that, but for blood sportThis is all interesting, but I'm really interested in why we haven't seen racing with remotely piloted cars (like these big open-wheel ones). It seems to me that it could be very exciting, as once you take the meat bag out of the cockpit, you can then dial up the performance of the cars. If the virtual racers were on site, the latency could be very low and doable.
Of course, that takes the danger out of the remote driver's mind, but there is still a penalty for crashing your expensive race car too often, which is, of course, losing your virtual seat.
With VR and augmented reality, it seems this is doable and would be far more interesting in my mind than watching a bunch of AI race each other.
Sure but like I said full size. The cameras would need to be situated in a way that a remote driver in a sim racer type setup could use a vr helmet to simulate the view from the actual cockpitR/C racing has existed for a long time.
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I don't know how feasible it would be to drive to drive a full size one. Would you drive it based on internal cameras or sit on up high and drive it like a smaller one?
that sounds like a waste of money. some sort of electromagnetic pulse that (temp) disables the electronics only, if that's a thing. obviously there's still the "unexpected" crashes from sudden slow downs to fix, but far cheaper than blowing shit up.Mad Max races, automated. Live machine guns, rockets, spears, what have you.
The junior series is effectively the Formula Student/Formula SAE autonomous eventWithout the drivers and prospect of junior series - this… just seems like a soulless series that is more emissions than online racing but also more soulless.
The cars are all set up and tuned by a team supplied by TII, teams are not permitted to touch the hardware, to keep them all as fair as possible. And, let's be honest, to give them a realistic chance of running a Super Formula car when they're a programming department from a universit.yI'm not so sure about that. Because the hardware is fixed1, and the course is closed, the only changes that need to be made are to the software. And that software could be tested in massively parallel environments (EG see all the robotics research being done by shoving several thousand virtual robots into an environment and letting them flop around until they slowly evolve to walk). But a human driver can only learn in a linear time frame. So IMHO the odds are stacked against the human drivers.
1. I didn't see anything the article about tuning the cars. From my limited understanding of car racing, better tuning does help differentiate racing teams (and this may actually be where a human driver is superior, as they can better articulate how a car feels on the track and how it responds to changes to the setup).
it did get a mention! TII participated in Indy Autonomous Challenge and that's where they got the idea for what they wanted to do, including the contact with Dallara.Zero excuse for Indy Autonomous Challenge not to be discussed or even linked.
Done.A collision avoidance system could be adapted to collision seeking.
Ukraine could use a drone that was immune to jamming.
There are a few youtube videos. One I watched was a one minute hype from ADARL called "A2RL Final Race Highlights" which was not anything like final race highlights. The other I watched was from an F1 biased site. This is where I learned that the actual "race" was only 8 laps. The first two laps were under some kind of virtual lead car lap, rolling around, waiting for the fourth of four cars to catch up for the actual "start" of the "race". Even though the author of this article mentions several times the chassis is a Super Formula, I still couldn't tell if these were ICE or EV. Chassis is different in my mind than powertrain, and it wasn't until I was a few minutes into the second youtube video and did a search on Super Formula that I was sure these are ICE engines.Last I checked the video was on Youtube. The "action" was mostly cars following each other, cars stopping because the car in front of them stopped, and such. It was what you'd expect from an early test of the tech.
May I assume you are the actual Hazel Southwell of this article? I have just finished reading your article 'What it's actually like to visit Riyadh, alone, for Formula E'. Excellent article. I see now there's a change coming with the new generation in regards to motorsports racing.it did get a mention! TII participated in Indy Autonomous Challenge and that's where they got the idea for what they wanted to do, including the contact with Dallara.
Oh wow you're the Hazel!? Have you been to Riyadh since that post?it did get a mention! TII participated in Indy Autonomous Challenge and that's where they got the idea for what they wanted to do, including the contact with Dallara.