Wikidata:Property proposal/translation

translation

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Description	word in another language that corresponds exactly to the meaning of the lexeme
Represents	translation (Q7553)
Data type	Sense
Domain	Sense
Example	dog (en) → chien (fr) chien (fr) → dog (en)

Motivation

I think that it is possible to put a symmetric constraint (Q21510862) and maybe a new type of constraint: different language constraint. Tubezlob (🙋) 06:58, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Agree on the different language constraint, not sure about the symmetric constraint though. --Denny (talk) 17:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 Comment This solution is not scalable because you would need 227 links in each of the 227 lexemes that have a translation for the concept "dog", that is at least 50k statements... It is simpler to link the sense to the item with "equivalent concept" and let the software find out all the translations by itself.--Micru (talk) 07:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Micru: But in my example, there is a linked Q-item (dog (Q144)) but it is not the case for the majority of lexemes. I agree that it is a lot of duplicated information, but I don't think there will be more than 200 translations for each lexeme (it is the same issue in Wiktionary).

Should we move the datatype from lexeme to sense too? Tubezlob (🙋) 07:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tubezlob: Ok, there might be cases where it is useful. Yes, it should be sense too. Updated.--Micru (talk) 07:35, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

 Support It is scalable - the current Wiktionaries do that :) But maybe we should refrain from using the translation property when there is an equivalent concept this connects to? This is going to be fun figuring out. --Denny (talk) 17:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

 Comment I strongly prefer linking words to concepts: in essence, replacing or augmenting the English label 'house cat' of house cat (Q146) with some structured relationship to one sense of the lexeme 'house cat'. In other words, if you want the English label for concept Q146, you'd look for the lexeme with sense->Q146 and language->English. This would also cover synonyms because there might be multiple lexemes with sense Q146, and translations because there might be multiple languages with sense Q146. Runner1928 (talk) 21:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Update: item for this sense (P5137) now exists for this purpose. Runner1928 (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2018 (UTC)