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The POWER Podcast provides listeners with insight into the latest news and technology that is poised to affect the power industry. POWER’s Executive Editor Aaron Larson conducts interviews with leading industry experts and gets updates from insiders at power-related conferences and events held around the world.

  1. 173. Why Data Center Developers Should Think ‘Power First’

    4 天前

    173. Why Data Center Developers Should Think ‘Power First’

    You don’t need me to tell you how artificial intelligence (AI) is impacting the power grid; you can just ask AI. Claude, an AI assistant created by Anthropic, told POWER, “AI training and inference are driving unprecedented demand for data center capacity, particularly due to large language models and other compute-intensive AI workloads.” It also said, “AI servers, especially those with multiple GPUs [graphics processing units], require significantly more power per rack than traditional servers—often 2–4x higher power density.” So, what does that mean for power grid operators and electricity suppliers? Claude said there could be several effects, including local grid strain in AI hub regions, the need for upgraded transmission infrastructure, higher baseline power consumption, and potential grid stability issues in peak usage periods. Notably, it said AI data centers tend to cluster in specific regions with favorable power costs and regulations, creating “hotspots” of extreme power demand. Sheldon Kimber, founder and CEO of Intersect Power, a clean energy company that develops, owns, and operates a base portfolio of 2.2 GW of operating solar PV and 2.4 GWh of storage in operation or construction, understands the challenges data centers present for the grid. As a guest on The POWER Podcast, Kimber suggested the only way to meet the massive increase in power demand coming from data centers is with scalable behind-the-meter solutions. “These assets may still touch the grid—they may still have some reliance on the grid—but they’re going to have to bring with them an enormous amount of behind-the-meter generation and storage and other things to make sure that they are flexible enough that the grid can integrate them without creating such a strain on the grid, on rate payers, and on the utilities that service them,” Kimber said. Yet, data center developers have not traditionally kept power top-of-mind. “The data center market to date has been more of a real estate development game,” Kimber explained. “How close to a labor pool are you? What does it look like on the fiber side? What does the land look like?” He said electric power service was certainly part of the equation, but it was more like part of a “balanced breakfast of real estate criteria,” rather than a top priority for siting a data center. In today’s environment, that needs to change. Kimber said Intersect Power has been talking to data center companies for at least three years, pitching them on the idea of siting data centers behind-the-meter at some of his projects. The response has been lukewarm at best. Most of the companies want to keep their data centers in already well-established hubs, such as in northern Virginia; Santa Clara, California; or the Columbia River Gorge region in Oregon, for example. Kimber’s comeback has been, “Tell us when you’re ready to site for ‘Power First.’ ” What “Power First” means is simple. Start with power, and the availability of power, as the first criteria, and screen out all the sites that don’t have power. “To date, data center development that was not ‘Power First’ has really been focused on: ‘What does the plug look like?’ ” Kimber said. In other words: How is the developer connecting the data center to the power grid—or plugging in? The developers basically assumed that if they could get connected to the grid, the local utility would find a way to supply the electricity needed. However, it’s getting harder and harder for utilities to provide what developers are asking for. “The realization that the grid just isn’t going to be able to provide power in most of the places that people want it is now causing a lot of data center customers to re-evaluate the need to move from where they are. And when they’re making those moves, obviously, the first thing that’s coming to mind is: ‘Well, if I’m going to have to move anyway, I might as well move t

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  2. 172. What Are Microreactors and How Soon Could We See One in Operation

    10月22日

    172. What Are Microreactors and How Soon Could We See One in Operation

    Microreactors are a class of very small modular reactors targeted for non-conventional nuclear markets. The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) supports a variety of advanced reactor designs, including gas, liquid-metal, molten-salt, and heat-pipe-cooled concepts. In the U.S., microreactor developers are currently focused on designs that could be deployed as early as the mid-2020s. The key features of microreactors that distinguish them from other reactor types mainly revolve around their size. Microreactors typically produce less than 20 MW of thermal output. The size obviously allows a much smaller footprint than traditional nuclear power reactors. It also allows for factory fabrication and easier transportability. Among other unique aspects are their self-regulating capability, which could enable remote and semi-autonomous microreactor operation. Their rapid deployability (weeks or months rather than many years) is a huge benefit, too, allowing units to be used in emergency response and other time-sensitive situations. Furthermore, some designs are expected to operate for up to 10 years or more without refueling or significant maintenance, which could be a big benefit in remote locations. A lot of microreactor development work is being done at the Idaho National Laboratory (INL). John H. Jackson, National Technical Director for the DOE’s Office of Nuclear Energy Microreactor program at INL, was a recent guest on The POWER Podcast. On the show, he noted some of the programs and facilities INL has available to assist in proving microreactor concepts. “I like to say it starts with my program, because I’m overtly focused on enabling and accelerating commercial development and deployment of microreactor technology,” Jackson said. “But there are certainly the entities like the National Reactor Innovation Center, or NRIC, which is heavily focused on deployment and enabling deployment of microreactor technology, as well as small modular reactor technology.” POWER has reported extensively on the Pele and MARVEL microreactor projects. Project Pele is a Department of Defense (DOD) project that recently broke ground at INL. Meanwhile, MARVEL, which stands for Microreactor Applications Research Validation and EvaLuation, is funded through the DOE by the Office of Nuclear Energy’s Microreactor program. Project Pele aims to build and demonstrate a high-temperature gas-cooled mobile microreactor manufactured by Lynchburg, Virginia–headquartered BWXT Advanced Technologies. Fueled with TRI-structural ISOtropic particle fuel, Project Pele will produce 1 MWe to 5 MWe for INL’s Critical Infrastructure Test Range Complex (CITRC) electrical test grid. The DOD noted last month that assembly of the final Pele reactor is scheduled to begin in February 2025, and the current plan is to transport the fully assembled reactor to INL in 2026. The MARVEL design is a sodium-potassium-cooled microreactor that will be built inside the Transient Reactor Test (TREAT) facility at INL. It will generate 85 kW of thermal energy and about 20 kW of electrical output. It is not intended to be a commercial design, but the experience of constructing and operating the unit could be crucial for future microreactor developers and microgrid designers, as future plans are to connect it to a microgrid. “The MARVEL reactor is one of the top priorities, if not the top priority, at the Idaho National Laboratory, along with the project Pele,” Jackson said. “One or the other—Pele or MARVEL—will be the first reactor built at Idaho National Laboratory in over 50 years.” Still, Jackson was cautious when it came to predicting when the first microreactor might begin operation. “I cringe sometimes when people get a little ahead of themselves and start making bold declarations, like, ‘We’re going to have a microreactor next year,’ for instance. I think it’s important to be excited, but it’s also important to stay realistic with respect to timefra

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  3. 171. The Domestic Content Bonus Credit and How to Maximize Incentives for Solar Projects

    9月26日

    171. The Domestic Content Bonus Credit and How to Maximize Incentives for Solar Projects

    The domestic content bonus credit is available to taxpayers that certify their qualified facility, energy project, or energy storage technology was built with certain percentages of steel, iron, or manufactured products that were mined, produced, or manufactured in the U.S. “What we’ve seen happen is just a proliferation of investments into U.S. domestic manufacturing,” Mike Hall, CEO of Anza Renewables, said as a guest on The POWER Podcast. Hall said U.S. manufacturers started with the easiest and probably lowest-risk investment in the supply chain, which is module assembly. “You could count on one hand the number of U.S. module options just a couple of years ago,” he said. “Today, I was actually looking at our database, and if you were looking to take delivery in late-2025, there are 17 different manufacturers that are willing to sign POs [purchase orders] today to supply domestically made modules.” Hall suggested most developers that are looking to utilize domestic supplies are trying to solve one or two problems. “Either they’re trying to mitigate trade risk—AD/CVD [anti-dumping and countervailing duty] risk—from the various petitions, or risk around detainment by customs due to concerns around UFLPA [Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act] violations,” explained Hall. “So, that’s one potential problem that customers are trying to solve, and a domestically made module may really help solve that problem,” he said. “The other thing, though, that we increasingly see developers looking to do is to try and access the extra 10% tax credit that you can get if you meet certain minimum standards for domestically manufactured content,” Hall continued. For solar projects, that generally means a domestically manufactured solar cell is needed. “A few years ago, again, there were one, maybe two options for that,” Hall noted. “There’s still only a few—we see those options growing over time—but if you’re looking at late-2025 deliveries, there’s four to five viable options of companies that will actually issue POs today for domestically manufactured cells. So, overall, we’re definitely seeing more and more options come to the market, and that’s really exciting.” Yet, aside from domestic content, the options available on the market have never been greater than today. “There are more manufacturers selling into the market,” said Hall. “On Anza, we have coverage of 95% of the U.S. supply, and that requires us to have relationships—partnerships in the data pipeline—with over 33 different suppliers. So, if you’re doing a mid- or large-scale project, there’s over 120 different products that you should be considering. And, so, navigating that, and finding the module or the handful of modules that are actually going to deliver an optimal financial outcome is a big challenge.” Hall suggested maximizing project economics requires having a sound view of the market. Then, developers must compare products, accounting for cost to install, predicted energy production, the value of the energy, and particular project risks and priorities. “One of the things we help developers do is really understand: what is the value in dollars per watt of efficiency and the value for their particular project,” explained Hall. “And that value differs. If you’ve got a community solar project with a really high priced PPA [power purchase agreement], then efficiency is worth a whole lot. If you’ve got a really low dollar-per-megawatt-hour utility-scale PPA, then efficiency is still worth something, but it might be worth less.” Projecting the longevity of products can be difficult, but Anza tries to factor that in using warranty information. If different manufacturers warranty their equipment for different lengths of time, that can be incorporated into financial models and will impact outcomes.

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  4. 170. How Trump or Harris Would Alter the U.S.’s Energy and Power Landscape

    8月28日

    170. How Trump or Harris Would Alter the U.S.’s Energy and Power Landscape

    A new U.S. president will be inaugurated in less than five months. Polls show the race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris to be very close, with potentially only a few swing states deciding the election. While energy policy may not be a deciding factor for many Americans in choosing who they will vote for, it is very important to power industry professionals. With that in mind, Mary Anne Sullivan, senior counsel with the law firm Hogan Lovells, and Megan Ridley-Kaye, a partner with Hogan Lovells, were interviewed as guests on The POWER Podcast to discuss how the candidates might differ in their areas of focus after the election. Among the most pronounced differences is the rhetoric the two might espouse. “A Trump administration, I think, would talk a lot more about energy security, energy independence, and the need to be friendly to American-made fossil fuels,” Sullivan said. “A Harris administration, I assume, will follow in the footsteps of the Biden administration and focus on the need to respond to climate change and build on what have truly been unprecedented accomplishments under the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the IRA [Inflation Reduction Act],” she said. Although a Trump administration might seek to repeal all or at least parts of the IRA, Sullivan thought that would be hard to achieve. “I think recent indications are that it [the IRA] has now a fair bit of support in Congress,” she said. Ridley-Kaye agreed. “Obviously, key to what happens there [the fate of the IRA] is what happens in Congress,” she said. “It seems increasingly unlikely that it will be repealed.” And, while the government has made major investments that support energy and power projects, private parties have invested a lot of money too. At this point in the cycle, however, Ridley-Kaye suggested some of her clients are beginning to take a wait-and-see approach, especially if project economics are not viable without tax credits. Still, many other investors are unworried about the possibility of policy changes. “We do have a large group of clients that would say, ‘The train has left the station. Corporate America expects the tax credits. There’s no way that they would be taken away,’ ” Ridley-Kaye said. Meanwhile, there are some areas where the candidates may see eye to eye. “No matter which of them is elected, I think they will both recognize the need for more power transmission and more power generation,” said Sullivan. “Although the Biden administration has talked a good game about greening power generation, they have also very much pursued an all-of-the-above approach to generation resources. And I would expect that to continue in a Harris administration, just because there are so many new demands for electricity—the data centers, AI [artificial intelligence], vehicle electrification, the sort of ‘electrify everything’ movement that some people talk about,” she said. Two other areas where Trump and Harris might support similar policies are on nuclear power, and carbon capture and storage. “The two administrations might have different motivations for pursuing that, but I think either one will support further technology development there,” Sullivan supposed. Sullivan would expect a more light-handed approach to regulation under a Trump administration, specifically, as applied to permitting energy infrastructure projects. “But that more light-handed regulation on permitting helps the carbon-free power projects as much as the carbon-intensive power projects. It cuts both ways,” she said. Depending on how the election plays out, the energy and power landscape could change very quickly. “Trump’s team seems much more ready to move on policy than it did when he ran the last time. I think they’re thinking about it in advance. They’re building a desired set of policies,” Sullivan said. “I do expect them to be more ready to move on their policy objectives.”

    31 分鐘
  5. 169. Fuel Cells: What They Are, How They Work, and Why They’re Important

    8月6日

    169. Fuel Cells: What They Are, How They Work, and Why They’re Important

    Fuel cells are not some novel new technology. In fact, most history books credit the invention of the fuel cell to Welsh chemist and physicist William Grove, who, in the late 1830s and early 1840s, conducted experiments proving that electric current could be produced from an electrochemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen over a platinum catalyst. Yet, fuel cells never really took off as a mainstream source of power. Why is that? “I think the real reason is, historically, we’ve been comfortable with less-clean, lower-efficient but less-expensive technologies, because we haven’t been as focused on air quality and on decarbonization as we currently are,” Tony Leo, executive vice president and Chief Technology Officer with FuelCell Energy, said as a guest on The POWER Podcast. However, as people have become more focused on air quality and climate change, Leo suggested fuel cells are now poised to take off. “That’s why you’re seeing such an acceleration in the deployment of fuel cells and that’s why you’re hearing more and more about them these days,” he said. A fuel cell is a device that makes electricity from fuel and air. Instead of burning the fuel to make heat to drive a mechanical generator, fuel cells react the fuel and air electrochemically, without combustion. The electrochemical approach avoids pollutants that are created by high flame temperatures, and it is a more direct and efficient way to make power from a fuel. Reacting fuel and air electrochemically involves delivering fuel to a set of negative electrodes (called anodes) and delivering air to a set of positive electrodes (called cathodes). The electrochemical reaction of fuel produces electrons. The electrochemical reaction of oxygen in air consumes electrons. Connecting the two produces the current of usable electrical power. Fuel cells are configured in stacks of individual cells connected in a series. FuelCell Energy’s carbonate stacks have up to 400 cells per stack and produce between 250 kW and 400 kW of power. FuelCell Energy’s standard MW-scale module contains four stacks, nets about 1.4 MW of power, and can make electricity for sites such as universities, hospitals, and data centers. The modular design of fuel cell plants allows them to scale up to a specific site’s energy needs. “One big advantage is they’re quiet,” said Leo. “Since they don’t have a big spinning machine and this big spinning generator, they’re quiet compared to traditional power generation, so you can site them in population centers. We have a 15-MW fuel cell right in the middle of downtown Bridgeport, Connecticut, for example, and that just makes a really good neighbor.” The lack of harmful emissions is also a benefit. Another advantage is that while fuel cells are making electricity, they’re also making heat that can be used to produce hot water or steam, or to drive chilling operations. “That further enhances the sustainability because you get to avoid burning fuel in a boiler, for example, if you can use the heat coming off the fuel cell,” said Leo. Additionally, fuel cells don’t require a lot of maintenance or a large operations staff. “They’re unmanned—we monitor them remotely—and so, they take care of themselves and just generate value,” Leo explained.

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  6. 168. Landrieu: Natural Gas Is ‘Not the Enemy, It Is Part of the Solution’ to Achieving Climate Goals

    7月25日

    168. Landrieu: Natural Gas Is ‘Not the Enemy, It Is Part of the Solution’ to Achieving Climate Goals

    Former U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), who is now a senior policy advisor for the law firm Van Ness Feldman and co-chair of the Natural Allies Leadership Council, is keen on natural gas and believes it is part of the solution to reaching both domestic and global climate goals. “Natural gas in America is not the enemy,” Landrieu said as a guest on The POWER Podcast. “The majority of the emissions reductions of the United States in the last 10 years are directly attributed to more natural gas being used and less coal,” she said. Yet, that doesn’t mean Landrieu is opposed to renewable energy. She believes in an “all-of-the-above” strategy. “As natural gas has replaced coal as the number one producer of electricity in this country, our emissions have been reduced substantially, that is, in addition and in collaboration with—in partnership with—the increase in wind [and] the increase in solar,” said Landrieu. There are many reasons to support natural gas, according to Landrieu. For one, America has a lot of it. “We have over a hundred-year supply,” she claimed. “Number two: we have an amazing pipeline infrastructure that can move gas from where we find it to the people that need it,” she added. “But also, what’s so important is natural gas, because it’s relatively inexpensive, we can keep the cost of electricity lower. So, it’s available, it’s plentiful, it’s affordable, and when connected with wind and solar, we can really build a modern and low-emissions electric grid for the country.” Landrieu has a sound basis for her views, having served three terms in the U.S. Senate (1997–2015) where she chaired the prominent Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee and she advocated for her home state of Louisiana, which is America’s fourth-largest energy-producing state. Still, Landrieu pushes back when people suggest she only promotes natural gas because Louisiana produces it. “No, I promote natural gas because we produce it, but we also use a lot of it. So, my goal is to keep it plentiful [and] keep the price low and stable,” she said. Another form of energy that Landrieu supports is nuclear power. “Although our coalition doesn’t promote nuclear, we recognize the power of nuclear power. We want to see more nuclear power in this country,” she said. “Nuclear provides about 18% of our electricity—it was about 20—if we could get that up to 25 or even 30%, it would really help. Natural gas can provide a lot, more wind, more solar, and as batteries come along, that’s going to be, I think, the combination we’re looking for.” The Natural Allies Leadership Council calls itself “a coalition of interested stakeholders that recognize the vital role natural gas and its infrastructure must play in the energy mix.” The group says natural gas partnered with renewable energy “can accelerate our path to a clean energy future—ensuring affordability and reliability while reducing carbon emissions domestically and internationally.” Landrieu co-chairs the group with Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.), who served southern Florida in Congress from 2002 to 2010; Michael Nutter, who served as Philadelphia’s 98th Mayor from 2008 to 2016; and Tim Ryan (D-Ohio), who served 10 terms in Congress from 2003 to 2023. “We’re talking to Democrats—we’re happy always to talk with Republicans as well—but we’re talking to Democratic leaders and saying, ‘If you want prices low, if you want your people employed, if you want jobs in your community, natural gas is for you.’ And we’re happy to partner with renewables, nuclear, batteries, and let’s build a future together,” said Landrieu.

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  7. 167. Shifting from Coal to Gas: One Co-op’s Award-Winning Journey

    7月17日

    167. Shifting from Coal to Gas: One Co-op’s Award-Winning Journey

    In 2018, Cooperative Energy, a generation and transmission co-op headquartered in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, had an issue to deal with. Several years earlier, it had joined the Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO), giving the power provider access to a competitive market. However, Cooperative Energy’s R.D. Morrow Sr. Generating Station, a 400-MW two-unit coal-fired facility that had opened about 40 years earlier, was not being dispatched as the co-op would have liked. In fact, the facility’s capacity factor in those days was running at only about 3%. “We could not compete in the MISO market due to the cost of the unit, the lack of flexibility, [and] startup time—when you’re bidding the unit into a day-ahead market, a 42-hour startup time is not a good place to be,” Mark Smith, senior vice president of Power Generation with Cooperative Energy, explained as a guest on The POWER Podcast. Smith continued: “We had high transportation costs. Our coal came in by rail and the route from the mine to the plant was roughly 440 miles one way. So, the transportation cost was excessive. Environmental regulations—the goal post seems to keep moving and things keep ratcheting down—we didn’t know where we were heading. At the point that we did decommission, we were well within compliance, but the future was uncertain. It was going to require a lot of capital investment in the coal unit.” With that as a backdrop, Cooperative Energy made the decision to build a new gas-fired unit to take the place of the coal units. Cooperative Energy took a somewhat unconventional approach for the project, utilizing many of its own people to manage the job, rather than opting for a turnkey EPC (engineering, procurement, and construction) contractor. “There were several reasons for us to choose what we call the multi-contract approach, as opposed to utilizing an EPC contractor,” Trey Cannon, director of Generation Projects with Cooperative Energy, said on the podcast. “Probably the one that was most important to us is just having that full transparency and full control of the entire project, including technology selections and equipment procurement, selection of construction contractors, and things of that nature,” Cannon explained. There was also a cost savings involved. “We estimated that we probably saved at least 15% on the total budget by utilizing the self-build self-manage approach,” said Cannon. The results were phenomenal. The project finished well ahead of schedule and well under budget. Yet, Cannon admitted that a lot of the savings was due to circumstances. “The market conditions and the timing of the project couldn’t have been better,” he said. The market for power plants in 2018 was down, so Cooperative Energy was able to get very competitive pricing on the gas turbine and a lot of other equipment. As construction work kicked into full swing in 2020, the market took another dip with COVID and other factors pushing projects to the back burner. Cooperative Energy, however, pressed on and was able to cherry pick the best contractors and the best workers. To underscore how the project benefited from the quality of personnel it was able to attract, Smith noted, “The weld rejection rate for our mechanical contractor was 0.41%, which was remarkable.” Today, the repowered Morrow plant is the heavy-load-carrying unit in Cooperative Energy’s fleet. “Since we went commercial, I think we’re carrying a 90-plus-percent capacity factor on the unit,” said Cannon. “If it’s not the most-efficient plant in MISO South, it’s very close,” added Smith. “And, needless to say, if the unit is available—we’re not in a planned outage—it’s operating and it’s typically baseloaded. In MISO, the name of the game is flexibility, efficiency, and reliability. The Morrow repower has checked all of those boxes for us and has Cooperative Energy in a great position for many years to come.”

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  8. 166. Analyst Says Nuclear Industry Is ‘Totally Irrelevant’ in the Market for New Power Capacity

    7月8日

    166. Analyst Says Nuclear Industry Is ‘Totally Irrelevant’ in the Market for New Power Capacity

    Nuclear power has consistently provided about 19% to 20% of total annual U.S. electricity generation since 1990. It provides significant amounts of electricity in many other countries as well. According to data from The World Nuclear Industry Status Report (WNISR), a total of 414 reactors were operating in 32 countries, as of July 1, 2024. Preliminary data says China generated the second-most electricity from nuclear power in 2023 (behind the U.S.), while France came in third and had the highest percentage share of national power generation from nuclear power at 65%. Many power industry experts and environmental activists consider nuclear power an important component in the world’s transition to carbon-free energy. Yet, Mycle Schneider, an independent international analyst on energy and nuclear policy, and coordinator, editor, and publisher of the annual WNISR, said, “in [new] capacity terms, the nuclear industry, from what is going on, on the ground, is totally irrelevant.” Schneider was speaking as a guest on The POWER Podcast and prefaced his statement by comparing nuclear power additions to solar power additions in recent years. “Let’s look at China, because China is the only country that has been massively building nuclear power plants over the past 20 years,” he said. “China connected one reactor to the grid in 2023—one gigawatt. In the same year, they connected, and the numbers vary, but over 200 gigawatts of solar alone. Solar power generates more electricity in China than nuclear power since 2022. And, of course, wind power generates more than nuclear power in China for a decade already,” Schneider said. Furthermore, he noted, the disparity has gone “completely unnoticed by the general public or even within the energy professionals that are in Europe or often also in North America.” Schneider said the media often gives the impression that the nuclear industry is booming, but the facts suggest otherwise. “Over the past 20 years—2004 to 2023—104 reactors were closed down and 102 started up,” Schneider said. “But here is important that almost half, 49 of those new reactors started, were in China [where none closed], so the balance outside China is minus 51.” Some nuclear advocates might suggest that things are changing. They might argue that small modular reactors (SMRs) or other advanced designs are poised to reinvigorate the industry. But Schneider disagrees. He noted that since the construction start of the second unit at Hinkley Point C in the UK in 2019—almost five years ago—there have been 35 nuclear project construction starts in the world. Twenty-two of those were in China and the other 13 were all implemented by the Russian nuclear industry in a few different countries. “Nothing else. Not an SMR here or an SMR there, or a large reactor here or a large reactor there by any other player,” reported Schneider. Schneider noted that the vast majority of new capacity being added to the grid is from solar and wind energy. “These guys are building tens of thousands of wind turbines, and literally hundreds of millions of solar cells, so the learning effect is just absolutely stunning,” he said. “On the nuclear side, we’re talking about a handful. That’s very difficult. Very, very difficult—very challenging—to have a learning effect with so few units.” Schneider said the nuclear discussion in general needs a “really thorough reality check.” He suggested the possibilities and feasibilities must be investigated. “Then, choices can be made on a solid basis,” he said.

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The POWER Podcast provides listeners with insight into the latest news and technology that is poised to affect the power industry. POWER’s Executive Editor Aaron Larson conducts interviews with leading industry experts and gets updates from insiders at power-related conferences and events held around the world.

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