Wikidata:Property proposal/Imagem da platibanda

image of platband

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Not done

Description	image of the platband of the building in question
Represents	platband (Q10350426)
Data type	Commons media file
Domain	property building (Q41176); historic building (Q35112127); residence (Q699405); real property (Q10494269)
Allowed values	(?i).+\.(svg,png,jpg,jpeg,gif,tif,tiff)
Example 1	File:Prédio Histórico Centro Rua São Francisco Centro Vitória ES 1.2.jpg
Example 2	File:Prédio Histórico Centro Rua Thiers Velloso Vitória ES.1.1.jpg
Example 3	File:Rua José Montauri, 141 (Porto Alegre, Brasil) - Platibanda.JPG
Example 4	File:I065 Edificio Centro 4.jpg
Example 5	Mercado São Sebastião (Q113786816) → File:Mercado São Sebastião Jucutuquara 4 (código M06).jpg
Planned use	(P31) → (Wikidata property related to architecture (Q43831109));(Wikidata property related to historiography (Q55192982))
See also	cantilever sign (P10544), image of entrance (P9721), image of interior (P5775)

Motivation

pt-br = Platibandas são elementos importantes para identificar parte da história de edifícios históricos, porque normalmente contêm datas, iniciais dos proprietários e mesmo o nome dos usos antigos da edificação. Essa categoria será importante para concursos fotográficos como o Wiki Loves Monuments, para que as pessoas lembrem de tirar fotos desses detalhes.

en = Platbands are an important element to identify part of the history of a historical building, because they usually content dates, name initials or even the mane of the former use of the building. This category will also be important to photo contests like Wiki Loves Monuments, so people will remember of taking pics of this detail. Sintegrity (talk) 15:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support Parabéns! Apoio a iniciativa. A criação dessa propriedade possibilitará a inserção de informações mais detalhadas não apenas de bens tombados, mas de edificações eletivas ao tombamento que, em alguns casos, são descaracterizadas e apagadas da história da cidade.Friduxa (talk) 16:46, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I did not know what a "platband" was but according to wikipedia:pt:Platibanda it's just a vertical strip that frames the top of a building. My point is that there can be platbands without any interesting features, like e.g. File:IMIP.jpg. So I think we would need to find a more descriptive property name. I am unfortunately not very acquainted with architectural terms but I suspect that a better term may be found in commons:Category:Building ornaments. Perhaps the property could be used for keystones (keystone (Q220919)) as well? --Push-f (talk) 16:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for our comment. I really had difficult to find a good word in English for this kind of architectural element. Maybe it only exists in Brazil (???)

It's a kind of Frontispiece that hide all the roof. But it seems to me that the word "Frontispiece" is more usual for Churches.

But you are right. We may think about a property name that gathers all of this kind of oramentation in the top of edifications including platbands, frontispieces and keystones. Sintegrity (talk) 15:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose given current lack of a description that explains what a platband happens to be and lack of examples that link items to images. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good night, I've improved the wikipedia article of wikipedia:pt:Platibanda. I hope it could clarify which is the architectonical element I would like to include. If I have a bit of time tomorrow, I will identify pictures from Commons which depicts platbands. Please, let's keep talking about it and trying to find a good word for these "crowning of the buildings". Sintegrity (talk) 03:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ Sintegrity: I don't care about what's written in the Wikipedia article. I care about what's written in the description of this properyt. I don't know what a platband is and I would expect many users also don't know what it is. I don't see a reason why a user should have to read a Wikipedia article to understand what the property is about. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 16:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is already a property for images, just add qualifiers. Cordially. ―Eihel (talk) 05:04, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
depicts (P180) indeed seems like a good way to model this. E.g. Mercado São Sebastião (Q113786816)image (P18)File:Mercado São Sebastião Jucutuquara 4 (código M06).jpgdepicts (P180)platband (Q19760707). @Sintegrity:, see Help:Qualifiers for more information on how to add qualifiers. Note however that image (P18) has the single-best-value constraint (Q52060874), so if you add such a qualified image (P18) statement, you should also set the rank of the best existing image (P18) value to preferred, see Help:Ranking. --Push-f (talk) 06:24, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This stance kind of begs the question why we have 75 subproperties of image (P18), when we can just use qualifiers. I guess properties are just easier to use than qualifiers and also a bit easier to query with SPARQL. We do have existing image (P18) subproperties, that are very similar to the proposed property, like cantilever sign (P10544) and image of entrance (P9721). @Eihel: what are your thoughts on that matter (or has this already been discussed elsewhere)? --Push-f (talk) 06:28, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Easier to add to a QID metadata and easier to query with SPARQL are some of the reasons I would like to create this property. Sintegrity (talk) 20:22, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sintegrity, Friduxa, Push-f, ChristianKl, Eihel: Not done There is no consensus at this time to create this property. --99of9 (talk) 00:34, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]