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National Library of Israel ID (old)
former identifier for authority control used at the National Library of Israel. Replaced with "National Library of Israel J9U ID" (P8189)

Description	Authority control identifier used at the National Library of Israel
Associated item	National Library of Israel (Q188915)
Applicable "stated in" value	Union List of Israel (Q6822333)
Data type	External identifier
Corresponding template	National Library of Israel (Q56230968)
Domain	documents, persons, organizations (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values	\d{9}
Example	Douglas Adams (Q42) → 000163846 Adam Mickiewicz (Q79822) → 000093130 Mishnah (Q191825) → 000616385
Source	http://olduli.nli.org.il/F/?func=find-b-0&local_base=nlx10
Formatter URL	http://olduli.nli.org.il/F/?func=direct&local_base=nlx10&doc_number=$1
Robot and gadget jobs	DeltaBot does the following jobs: <DeltaBot-format-add0>
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P949 (Q61035018)
Related to country	Israel (Q801) (See 70 others)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P949 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 80,098 Main statement 80,029 >99.9% of uses Qualifier 3 <0.1% of uses Reference 66 <0.1% of uses
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Format “\d{9}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Single value, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Scope, SPARQL

Item “J9U ID (P8189)”: Items with this property should also have “J9U ID (P8189)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#Item P8189, search, SPARQL

This property is being used by: s:he:תבנית:יצירה zh-yue:Template:人物拎 hak:模板:Ngoi-phu lièn-kiet yue:Template:人物拎 Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Discussion

Ambiguous

NLI may refer to:

• National Library of Israel (Q188915) - this property
• National Library of Iran (Q1672405)
• National Library of Ireland (Q1672830)

AuthorityControl.js and Property constraint issues - NLI (Israel) identifier

See User talk:Tpt#MediaWiki:Gadget-AuthorityControl.js and Property constraint issues. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 06:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint violations/P949 lists as "Single value" violations:

Abraham Sutzkever (Q330652) : 000128535, 000182462
This is ok as the VIAF record lists three NLI lines with two different values.

לערי ריינהארט (talk) 07:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Database reports/Constraint violations do not update at NLI (Israel) identifier

The statistics do not update properly.
Today at Database reports/Constraint violations/P949#top you may see:

Data time stamp: 15 October 2013 7:07 UTC — Items processed: 179

לערי ריינהארט (talk) 23:12, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

No statistics since 15 days. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 09:10, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Unstable numbers?

Example: Adam Mickiewicz (Q79822) / @Laddo: I don't know why you've changed the authority file to NLI 000097326 = "Michaelis, Michael". The Israeli Library Catalogs shows:

Sys. no.: 000097444
Personal Names: Mickiewicz, Adam,1798-1855

I've corrected the information. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

The database system no. seems to be unstable. I've checked Mickiewicz today:

Sys. no.: 000097524
Personal Names: Mickiewicz, Adam,1798-1855

Strange. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I've started a thread @ Project chat. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:50, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

No answer @ Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2014/05#National Library of Israel. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

MARC records:

Sys. no. (= MARC, field 001): 000097572
Personal Names: Mickiewicz, Adam,1798-1855
MARC, field 0167: 000093130

VIAF:64009368: NLI 000093130

Looks like we have to use the hidden number shown in the MARC records. I don't know if this number can be used for a catalog link. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

If the property is unstable, maybe you should simply ask for is deletion Wikidata:Properties for deletion. --Fralambert (talk) 04:22, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

@Fralambert: MARC, field 0167 (= the number shown in VIAF) is stable. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:44, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

My question is more there is a way to make a stable link for a entry or not. Sure the VIAF number is stable. But what is the utility of a database who change is entry each day. --Fralambert (talk) 04:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Has anybody contacted the NLI? Jonathan Groß (talk) 15:25, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

@Jonathan Groß: I haven't. Could you do this? NLI is quite useful, since they have a lot of Arabic, Hebrew and Russian transcriptions. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I just sent this mail via contact form to the NLI:

Dear Sir / Madam,

I'm writing to you on behalf of the Wikidata project (which is hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation), a sister project of Wikipedia. Wikidata, as its name hints, collects data on various subjects.

One of many tasks of this project is the collection of Authority Control Data on persons. We aspire to link every Wikidata Item concerning a person with this person's corresponding identifier (number) in National Library Catalogues.

For this we need stable identifiers. The NLI identifiers linked in the VIAF (Virtual International Authority File) don't seem to be stable.

Would you be so kind as to tell me: 1) what kind of stable identifier you use for persons in your library database and 2) how we can access those identifiers most easily.

On thing you would gain from this exchange of resources is the possibility to use Wikidata to enhance you catalogue records. For example, you can add links to Wikipedia articles on authors.

Best regards, Jonathan Gross

Let's see how they respond. Jonathan Groß (talk) 13:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

@Jonathan Groß: Thanks! Any response? --Kolja21 (talk) 18:43, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

None so far. I've stumbled upon a user who was Wikipedian in Residence at the NLI: @דניאל צבי:. Maybe we could ask them for help, if they're still active. Jonathan Groß (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Gute Idee: he:משתמש:דניאל צבי war 6 Monate bei der NLI und ist auf WP noch aktiv. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I just sent him a message [1], let's see how he responds. Jonathan Groß (talk) 10:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems he has reduced his activity since March and didn't edit after April 13th. Bad timing on my part. Jonathan Groß (talk) 06:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I just sent him an e-mail, let's see if he responds. Jonathan Groß (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Today he put me in touch with the NLI, and they responded on the spot. Let's see how this goes. Jonathan Groß (talk) 11:13, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Multiple claims

There is some problem with property (or bots), so tens of claims are added to some items. Already notified Magnus's bot - Topic:T7stnlull6w2oij4. --Jklamo (talk) 17:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Why a dozen identifiers?

Why are there a dozen identifiers for Abraham Lincoln (Q91), isn't the concept supposed to be about having a single identifier? Are they identifying mentions in works?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) at 19:49, 8 August 2016‎ (UTC).

I don't see it as a problem if an item has several identifiers or even a dozen of it, but here it seems that each get several and some even more than 50 (max: 313). This means that we are unlikely to have a reasonable coverage even for items that have an identifier. I suggest we stop additions through Mix'n'match.
--- Jura 10:42, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Problem is that these identifiers seems to cover the works as well and these works identifiers are added to author items. That is simply wrong. --Jklamo (talk) 12:56, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

External identifier for an archive found in the Information Center for Israeli Art

We have External identifier (P1736) for Information Center for Israeli Art artist ID. It looks that External identifier for an "archive found in the Information Center for Israeli Art" doesn't exist yet.

IL-TAU-ZIFFER - An example for Ziffer House Archive: Documentation and Research Center of Israeli Visual Arts (Q57535814) identifier format in the Information Center for Israeli Art

Can you create it? רוזמן יצחק (talk) 03:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

This identifier has been dropped from VIAF

See here: he:ויקיפדיה:דלפק_היעץ_של_הספרייה_הלאומית#מזהה_הספרייה_הלאומית_-_J9U. For those who cannot read hebrew this a rough translation of one answer: "Due to changes in National Library systems we had to reload our identity file to VIAF. During the transition period there will be 2 sources of National Library IDs - NLI (old) and J9U (new). Later NLI will be deleted and only J9U will remain." The old identifier has been pulled from the database now and only the new J9U remains. To avoid what has happened with NLP ID (old) (P1695) vs. PLWABN ID (P7293) (users adding new data to old identifier) I suggest that a new property should be created soon. --Sotho Tal Ker (talk) 23:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)