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Goodreads version/edition ID
identifier of a version or edition, in the GoodReads.com website

Associated item	Goodreads (Q2359213)
Applicable "stated in" value	Goodreads (Q2359213)
Has quality	numeric identifier (Q93868746)
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	in en:Template:Goodreads book
Domain	According to this template: book (Q571) According to statements in the property: version, edition or translation (Q3331189), book (Q571), collection of literary works (Q108329152), manga (Q8274), publication (Q732577) or novel (Q8261) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{1,8}
Example	Weaving the Web (Q3988193) → 821987 839121 1308515 Trying Home: The Rise and Fall of an Anarchist Utopia on Puget Sound (First Edition) (Q107255141) → 20578107
Source	https://www.goodreads.com/
Formatter URL	https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/$1
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P2969 (Q28974392)
See also	Goodreads author ID (P2963), Babelio work ID (P3631), Goodreads character ID (P6327), Goodreads series ID (P6947), ISBN-13 (P212), ISBN-10 (P957), Open Library ID (P648), OCLC control number (P243), Goodreads work ID (P8383)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969 Map Random list
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Current uses	Total 94,765 Main statement 91,675 96.7% of uses Qualifier 14 <0.1% of uses Reference 3,076 3.2% of uses
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969#Single value, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Type “version, edition or translation (Q3331189), book (Q571), collection of literary works (Q108329152), manga (Q8274), publication (Q732577), novel (Q8261)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “version, edition or translation (Q3331189), book (Q571), collection of literary works (Q108329152), manga (Q8274), publication (Q732577), novel (Q8261)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969#Type Q3331189, Q571, Q108329152, Q8274, Q732577, Q8261, SPARQL

Format “[1-9]\d{1,8}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969#Format, SPARQL

Conflicts with “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969#Conflicts with P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969#Entity types

Conflicts with “Goodreads work ID (P8383)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969#Conflicts with P8383, search, SPARQL

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2969#Scope, SPARQL

This property is being used by: en:Template:Goodreads book it:Template:Collegamenti esterni ja:Template:Goodreads book bn:টেমপ্লেট:গুডরিড্‌স বই zh:Template:Goodreads book gl:Modelo:Goodreads libro gu:ઢાંચો:Goodreads book ur:سانچہ:Goodreads book shi:Talɣa:Isitn n umyawaḍ inamunn Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Clarifying the meaning and use of this property on instance of (P31)written work (Q47461344)

I recently proposed a new property Goodreads work ID. This seems to have caused some confusion that will have to be cleared up before that property can be created.

This property is a unique identifier for ?editioninstance of (P31)version, edition or translation (Q3331189). It is expected that each item identified by this property should have exactly one ISBN-13 associated with it. For example:

• Goodreads version/edition ID (P2969)18241 War and Peace (Hardcover). Published January 19th 2006 by Viking Adult. ISBN13: 9780670034697
• Goodreads version/edition ID (P2969)290979 War and Peace (Hardcover). Published October 16th 2007 by Knopf. ISBN13: 9780307266934
• Goodreads version/edition ID (P2969)5107 The Catcher in the Rye (Paperback). Published January 30th 2001 by Back Bay Books. (ISBN13: 9780316769174)
• Goodreads version/edition ID (P2969)7178 The Catcher in the Rye (Paperback). Published May 1991 by Little, Brown. (ISBN13: 9780316769488)

These identifiers do not, however, uniquely identify ?workinstance of (P31)written work (Q47461344). One option to clarify this may be to change Goodreads version/edition ID (P2969)property constraint (P2302)subject type constraint (Q21503250)class (P2308){{{5}}} to not allow it to be used on version, edition or translation (Q3331189), however, there are possibly legitimate uses of this property on written work (Q47461344). It may be useful to allow use of this edition level item on work level item if no edition level items exist or will be created for the work, as is allowed for ISBN-13 (P212) and OCLC control number (P243).

Currently however there are multiple constraint violations, and in fact the example is a constraint violation. This property has a constraint Goodreads version/edition ID (P2969)property constraint (P2302)single-value constraint (Q19474404) but the example, which is a work, has three values associated with it.

I think we should try to clarify the legitimate and intended uses of this property are. ISBN-13 (P212) and OCLC control number (P243) could be useful models for this. ISBN-13 (P212) has property constraint (P2302)single-value constraint (Q19474404) but it has a separator (P4155) qualifier on this constraint. OCLC control number (P243) does not have a single-value constraint (Q19474404) constraint. I think the ISBN-13 (P212) approach is best.

I propose the following changes:

• Update the property documentation (the template on this talk page) to clarify that the domain of this property is written work (Q47461344).
• Add separators to this property's single value constraint (Goodreads version/edition ID (P2969)property constraint (P2302)single-value constraint (Q19474404)separator (P4155)...): language of work or name (P407) applies to part (P518) volume (P478) publisher (P123) distribution format (P437) publication date (P577)
• Add Goodreads version/edition ID (P2969)Wikidata usage instructions (P2559)This property uniquely identifies an edition of a written work. If a Q-item exists for the edition identified by this identifier then the identifier belongs on that item. If there is no Q-item for the edition identified by this item, but there is a Q-item for the written work the edition is of, then this property may be used on the written work Q-item provided it is qualified with one of the separators of the single value constraint.
• Add examples where this is used on Q-items representing written works and Q-items representing editions of written works.

Any feedback on this or inputs would be appreciated.

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Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 00:46, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Comment and votes go here. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment In the case where a version or edition does not have its own wikidata item, the best practice should be to create the edition item using the ISBN and Goodreads Book ID as identifiers. An unmatched Goodreads book ID ought to be a way to find missing editions and add them to Wikidata. I would oppose recommending adding the Goodreads book ID to the work-level item. - PKM (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Weak oppose I tend to agree with PKM, the edition level items should be made. However, I do understand this can be cumbersome and so I think there's not much harm in adding these as statements to the work level item and just letting the constraint violations happen. At least in this way somebody else can come in future and create the edition level items appropriately. --SilentSpike (talk) 11:48, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Withdrawn Closing this proposal. See Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Books#Clarifying_the_use_of_identifiers_for_editions_of_written_works_on_written_works_themselves.