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Hello. You seem to imply that the conjugation listed in informal. Would you be able to expand on that? [[User:Pious Eterino|Pious Eterino]] ([[User talk:Pious Eterino|talk]]) 14:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC) |
Hello. You seem to imply that the conjugation listed in informal. Would you be able to expand on that? [[User:Pious Eterino|Pious Eterino]] ([[User talk:Pious Eterino|talk]]) 14:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC) |
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: [[User:Surjection]] wrote in 13:36, 4 January 2020 edit summary [bold added by me, obviosly]: "has to be marked as irreg due to the 1st infinitive being irregular; '''might as well use slang inflection forms'''". These are the slang inflection forms according to the regular colloquial Finnish / Helsinki slang morphology. In standard Finnish verbs aren't conjugated like this. If this word were adopted into Standard Finnish, its base form would be ''körata'' and the conjugation would be as follows: |
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: However, all ''salata''-type verbs are conjugated like this (with consonant gradation and vowel harmony taking place) in the spoken variety of the Helsinki region, even if they are not slang verbs in the first place. [[User:Mölli-Möllerö|Mölli-Möllerö]] ([[User talk:Mölli-Möllerö|talk]]) 14:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC) |
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In merging two essentially identical senses of the verb turn around, I had to merge two differing Finnish translations. Could you review that what I did was good enough, or else repair the damage? --Lambiam 08:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hahaha... no relation. It is nice to see entries expand in unexpected ways. Equinox ◑ 19:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello. You seem to imply that the conjugation listed in informal. Would you be able to expand on that? Pious Eterino (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- User:Surjection wrote in 13:36, 4 January 2020 edit summary [bold added by me, obviosly]: "has to be marked as irreg due to the 1st infinitive being irregular; might as well use slang inflection forms". These are the slang inflection forms according to the regular colloquial Finnish / Helsinki slang morphology. In standard Finnish verbs aren't conjugated like this. If this word were adopted into Standard Finnish, its base form would be körata and the conjugation would be as follows:
Inflection of Mölli-Möllerö (Kotus type 73/salata, no gradation) | |||||||||||||||||||||
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indicative mood | |||||||||||||||||||||
present tense | perfect | ||||||||||||||||||||
person | positive | negative | person | positive | negative | ||||||||||||||||
1st sing. | köraan | en köraa | 1st sing. | olen körannut | en ole körannut | ||||||||||||||||
2nd sing. | köraat | et köraa | 2nd sing. | olet körannut | et ole körannut | ||||||||||||||||
3rd sing. | köraa | ei köraa | 3rd sing. | on körannut | ei ole körannut | ||||||||||||||||
1st plur. | köraamme | emme köraa | 1st plur. | olemme köranneet | emme ole köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
2nd plur. | köraatte | ette köraa | 2nd plur. | olette köranneet | ette ole köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
3rd plur. | köraavat | eivät köraa | 3rd plur. | ovat köranneet | eivät ole köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
passive | körataan | ei körata | passive | on körattu | ei ole körattu | ||||||||||||||||
past tense | pluperfect | ||||||||||||||||||||
person | positive | negative | person | positive | negative | ||||||||||||||||
1st sing. | körasin | en körannut | 1st sing. | olin körannut | en ollut körannut | ||||||||||||||||
2nd sing. | körasit | et körannut | 2nd sing. | olit körannut | et ollut körannut | ||||||||||||||||
3rd sing. | körasi | ei körannut | 3rd sing. | oli körannut | ei ollut körannut | ||||||||||||||||
1st plur. | körasimme | emme köranneet | 1st plur. | olimme köranneet | emme olleet köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
2nd plur. | körasitte | ette köranneet | 2nd plur. | olitte köranneet | ette olleet köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
3rd plur. | körasivat | eivät köranneet | 3rd plur. | olivat köranneet | eivät olleet köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
passive | körattiin | ei körattu | passive | oli körattu | ei ollut körattu | ||||||||||||||||
conditional mood | |||||||||||||||||||||
present | perfect | ||||||||||||||||||||
person | positive | negative | person | positive | negative | ||||||||||||||||
1st sing. | köraisin | en köraisi | 1st sing. | olisin körannut | en olisi körannut | ||||||||||||||||
2nd sing. | köraisit | et köraisi | 2nd sing. | olisit körannut | et olisi körannut | ||||||||||||||||
3rd sing. | köraisi | ei köraisi | 3rd sing. | olisi körannut | ei olisi körannut | ||||||||||||||||
1st plur. | köraisimme | emme köraisi | 1st plur. | olisimme köranneet | emme olisi köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
2nd plur. | köraisitte | ette köraisi | 2nd plur. | olisitte köranneet | ette olisi köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
3rd plur. | köraisivat | eivät köraisi | 3rd plur. | olisivat köranneet | eivät olisi köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
passive | körattaisiin | ei körattaisi | passive | olisi körattu | ei olisi körattu | ||||||||||||||||
imperative mood | |||||||||||||||||||||
present | perfect | ||||||||||||||||||||
person | positive | negative | person | positive | negative | ||||||||||||||||
1st sing. | — | — | 1st sing. | — | — | ||||||||||||||||
2nd sing. | köraa | älä köraa | 2nd sing. | — | — | ||||||||||||||||
3rd sing. | köratkoon | älköön köratko | 3rd sing. | olkoon körannut | älköön olko körannut | ||||||||||||||||
1st plur. | köratkaamme | älkäämme köratko | 1st plur. | — | — | ||||||||||||||||
2nd plur. | köratkaa | älkää köratko | 2nd plur. | — | — | ||||||||||||||||
3rd plur. | köratkoot | älkööt köratko | 3rd plur. | olkoot köranneet | älkööt olko köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
passive | körattakoon | älköön körattako | passive | olkoon körattu | älköön olko körattu | ||||||||||||||||
potential mood | |||||||||||||||||||||
present | perfect | ||||||||||||||||||||
person | positive | negative | person | positive | negative | ||||||||||||||||
1st sing. | körannen | en köranne | 1st sing. | lienen körannut | en liene körannut | ||||||||||||||||
2nd sing. | körannet | et köranne | 2nd sing. | lienet körannut | et liene körannut | ||||||||||||||||
3rd sing. | körannee | ei köranne | 3rd sing. | lienee körannut | ei liene körannut | ||||||||||||||||
1st plur. | körannemme | emme köranne | 1st plur. | lienemme köranneet | emme liene köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
2nd plur. | körannette | ette köranne | 2nd plur. | lienette köranneet | ette liene köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
3rd plur. | körannevat | eivät köranne | 3rd plur. | lienevät köranneet | eivät liene köranneet | ||||||||||||||||
passive | körattaneen | ei körattane | passive | lienee körattu | ei liene körattu | ||||||||||||||||
Nominal forms | |||||||||||||||||||||
infinitives | participles | ||||||||||||||||||||
active | passive | active | passive | ||||||||||||||||||
1st | körata | present | köraava | körattava | |||||||||||||||||
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past | körannut | körattu | |||||||||||||||||
2nd | inessive2 | köratessa | körattaessa | agent4 | köraama | ||||||||||||||||
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negative | köraamaton | |||||||||||||||||||
instructive | köraten | — | 1) Used only with a possessive suffix.
2) Usually with a possessive suffix (active only). | ||||||||||||||||||
3rd | inessive | köraamassa | — | ||||||||||||||||||
elative | köraamasta | — | |||||||||||||||||||
illative | köraamaan | — | |||||||||||||||||||
adessive | köraamalla | — | |||||||||||||||||||
abessive | köraamatta | — | |||||||||||||||||||
instructive | köraaman | körattaman | |||||||||||||||||||
4th3 | verbal noun | köraaminen | |||||||||||||||||||
5th1 |
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- However, all salata-type verbs are conjugated like this (with consonant gradation and vowel harmony taking place) in the spoken variety of the Helsinki region, even if they are not slang verbs in the first place. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 14:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)