Talk:Majority bonus system

I hope this is not a POV

Well, well,

if the majority bonus is used in Italy and Greece which are presently hit by this global crisis in a worse way compared to the other countries in the Eurozone... maybe there is something wrong in the political theory that has conceived it.

Or not?

D'oh! ®

Maurice Carbonaro (talk) 07:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe the crisis has nothing to do with electoral systems, jackass... --93.39.197.43 (talk) 18:07, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name?

Is the term "Majority bonus" commonly used? E.g. in Greece the bonus is awarded to the plurality party, which may not achieve a majority even with it; so "Plurality bonus" would be much more appropriate (also e.g. in Italy, since it's a bonus for the plurality party). --Roentgenium111 (talk) 23:45, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of the above, I think the (unilateral) move from "Majority bonus" to "Majority bonus system" should be reverted - the bonus is an variation of a given PR system, it's not a "system" in itself. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 13:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with Roentgenium111. A system which does not divide seats proportionally to votes is not a PR, not a "variation of a given PR system"....--79.54.152.218 (talk) 12:32, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Majority-minority apportionment system

@Rankedchoicevoter I think as written, the bonus/jackpot terminology is a bit confusing. I think this could be clarified by dividing this into two separate articles, or perhaps two separate subsections of the mixed-member winner-take-all system.

On the one hand we have the bonus system, which is a kind of parallel voting where most seats are elected proportionally while some bonus seats are by general ticket.

For jackpots, I think Pukelsheim calls this mechanism a "majority-minority apportionment", which might be a more intuitive name. (Although he happens to discuss it in the specific case of a majority-guarantee clause, which guarantees any party with a majority of the vote doesn't get "rounded down" to a seat or two short of a majority.) Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The more I look into it the more these should be differentiated. For now I would try to split it under the name majority bonus and majority jackpot. Majority bonus, particularly in Greece is also called reinforced proportionality. In the same article, it is possible to talk about special systems with effectively majority bonuses and maybe connect it to overhang seats too. There is many local instances to be elaborated on, especially France and Italy and how it related to parallel voting, double vote and single vote, runoff and non-runoff versions.

For the majority jackpot there might be more history, you could add the alternative name majority-minority apportionment which I didn't know of and extra sources, and we could connect it to limited voting. The limited voting article is mostly about the candidate based version, but the party list version is very close to this jackpot or majority minority thing. For example where 3 seats are assigned, 2 always to the plurality winner and 1 to the second party regardless of the vote. So this article can get into minority jackpots too and try to bring together with effectively similar systems such as the binomial system.

I think we really need to try to give an overview and connect all these various national implementations of unconventional systems, so they can be found (from the general article where they use it), categorized (on the specific instance you can refer to the general principle article) and differentiated (on the general article the differences are clearly explained). Rankedchoicevoter (talk) 07:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]