Talk:Victorian Labor Party

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On 30 April 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Australian Labor Party (Victorian Branch) to Victorian Labor. The result of the discussion was moved to Victorian Labor Party.

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Requested move 29 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn; replaced with new request involving all ALP branches. RoadSmasher420 (talk) 13:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Labor Party (Victorian Branch) → Victorian Labor – By far the WP:COMMON NAME, the current title of this page (as well as the titles all ALP and LNP branches) are ridiculously long, over-complicated, and aren't ever used outside of very specific legal settings. RoadSmasher420 (talk) 15:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose unless all the other branch articles are added to this RM as well. There should be consistency between the articles on the various state branches. Steelkamp (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See I was gonna do that but that'd take so much effort ;-; RoadSmasher420 (talk) 00:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 30 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. with the word "Party" appended and some of the abbreviations spelled out (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 07:45, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– The current names for these articles are ridiculously long, over-complicated, and are only used in professional legal settings. They should be replaced with what are by far the most WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMON NAMES. RoadSmasher420 (talk) 13:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - With the condition that "Party" is added at the end of each proposed title for clarity and the acronyms should be expanded for WP:RECOGNIZABILITY. Estar8806 (talk) 13:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support with the addition of Party at the end. Victorian Labor specifically sounds like describing work in the Victorian era.--Killuminator (talk) 14:36, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd like to amend the previous sentence to add that South Australian Labor and similar names sound better like that rather than SA Labor. Remember, SA is short for South Africa. --Killuminator (talk) 12:01, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  True. But I think that "WA Labor Party", "SA Labor Party", "WA Liberal Party" and "SA Liberal Party" should still be redirects. "ACT Labor Party" should not be "Australian Capital Territory Labor Party" though. And the Canberra Liberals should not be called anything but the Canberra Liberals because that's actually their official name. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 23:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think we're in full agreement there then. Pinging @Festucalex, RoadSmasher420, Estar8806, and Totallynotarandomalt69: to see if they're willing to adjust their proposals. The closing editors will have many move proposals to consider at once with some alternative proposals to weight too so let's make it easier for them. --Killuminator (talk) 10:04, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. 〜 Festucalex • talk 10:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    
    I see no issues there as long as the previous Victorian Liberal and Queensland Labor parties also have their titles accurately changed Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 10:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    
    100% in agreement that 'Party' should be added to the titles.
    
    I also agree that names of states such as South Australia and Western Australia should probably be written in full, however for NSW and the ACT I'm not too sure. On one hand I totally get if people would rather them also be written in full for consistency's sake, but I also have concerns that it may make the titles too long. I think both are already recognisable enough as acronyms to leave them be, but it ultimately doesn't matter too much either way.
    
    Additionally, regarding the NT branch, I would definitely be in favour of at least considering Thiscouldbeauser's proposal to rename it to 'Territory Labor'. However, I am aware that this may bring with it the possibility of having it confused with the ACT branch? RoadSmasher420 (talk) 12:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The ACT Labor Party does not use this name. In the NT, Labor calls themselves Territory Labor. See the logo on this page. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 20:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Well then I think we're in agreement. RoadSmasher420 (talk) 23:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    
    I think all is good (assuming you're saying what I think you're saying, that being the addition of "Party" at the end of the titles and WA and SA being expanded to "Western Australia" and "South Australia" respectively). Estar8806 (talk) 01:57, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, but it's worth noting that Queensland Labor Party already exists as an article about the now-defunct breakaway group founded by Vince Gair. For the purpose of this proposal, I've moved it to Queensland Labor Party (1957–1978) and redirected Queensland Labor Party to Australian Labor Party (Queensland Branch). However, as I also stated, the NT page should be renamed to "Territory Labor Party", because the party officially uses "Territory Labor" (not "NT Labor"). Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 10:29, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Killuminator, with Victorian Labor Party. 〜 Festucalex • talk 06:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Killuminator. However, if you move those pages then you should also move these ones:

Liberal Party of Australia (New South Wales Division) → NSW Liberal Party
Liberal Party of Australia (Victorian Division) → Victorian Liberal Party
Liberal Party of Australia (Western Australian Division) → WA Liberal Party
Liberal Party of Australia (South Australian Division) → SA Liberal Party
Liberal Party of Australia (Tasmanian Division) → Tasmanian Liberal Party
Liberal Party of Australia (Australian Capital Territory Division) → Canberra Liberals
National Party of Australia – NSW → NSW Nationals
National Party of Australia – Victoria → Victorian Nationals
National Party of Australia (WA) → WA Nationals
National Party of Australia (SA) → SA Nationals
National Party of Australia – Tasmania → Tasmanian Nationals
And the former ones: Liberal Party of Australia (Queensland Division) → Queensland Liberal Party and National Party of Australia – Queensland (note that the now-defunct Northern Territory Nationals already is titled the way you're proposing).

However, move Australian Labor Party (Northern Territory Branch) to Territory Labor because they officially use this name. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 10:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would definitely support all of these moves. I'll propose them if the ALP ones succeed, or if you'd like to do it sooner feel free. RoadSmasher420 (talk) 01:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - both these moves for the Lab and Lib pages would work Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 04:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If these succeed in moving then a proposal is needed, because redirects already exist. Therefore, an admin has to do it. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 11:52, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have created a request for these. See Talk:Liberal Party of Australia (New South Wales Division)#Requested move 8 May 2023 and Talk:National Party of Australia – NSW#Requested move 8 May 2023. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 10:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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