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Edit request - change 19 soldiers killed to 18 soldiers killed

Hi, in the casualties it says: "19 soldiers killed (3 non-combat)". Please change it to "18 soldiers killed (3 non-combat)", as this is the number used in the refrenced article.

In the description of the amount of Israeli soldiers casualties the article is being cited as:

"Fifteen soldiers and a local security officer have also been killed in attacks claimed by the Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups on the border with Lebanon since the fighting started... The military's list also includes a soldier killed by friendly fire in the West Bank, a soldier killed due to malfunctioning ammunition on the Lebanon border, two soldiers killed in a tank accident in northern Israel, and a number of other deadly incidents amid the war but not directly related to the fighting."

But the "soldier killed by friendly fire in the West Bank" part isn't relevant to this article (and also covered by another wikipedia article here).

Additionaly, I suggest shortening the added description only to the relevnat parts:

"Fifteen soldiers and a local security officer have also been killed in attacks claimed by the Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups on the border with Lebanon since the fighting started... The military's list also includes ... a soldier killed due to malfunctioning ammunition on the Lebanon border, two soldiers killed in a tank accident in northern Israel"

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 09:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you lost all credibility when you said "Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups" Waterlover3 (talk) 11:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They're quoting this article [1] Chomik! (talk?) 13:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the quote that already appears in this wiki article, not something that I wrote. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 07:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the PIJ is, in fact, a terror group. Eitan Drutman (talk) 03:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the number includes the security officer killed. I clarified that in the infobox. Chomik! (talk?) 14:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure? As I understand it, there are 15 soldiers and security officers that have been killed in combat. In addition, there are 3 that were killed due to non-combat incidents (but related to the Hezbollah-Israel conflict).
Anyway, thank you for the clarification that tou have made. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 08:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shortened the quote for sake of clarification as you requested. EkoGraf (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2024 (2)

Hezbollah CLAIM their death TOLL is 359 (latest) , the source (l'orient) claims 450 which ONE IS TRUE? 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:30A5:AD39:AF36:CDE (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not asking for changes asking for verification since numbers of Hezbollah killed is different to that of what has been listed 450. Hezbollah have not claimed 450 have been killed but 365/366. So both can’t be right. Or be listed 365/366-450 killed as such in casualties box. 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:68AF:96E8:F5A2:9220 (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 July 2024

Hezbollah death toll (Kia) is 365/366- according to their figures. can someone please tell me why it’s at 450 (l’orient reference) has that been verified at all. THANKS 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:68AF:96E8:F5A2:9220 (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – macaddct1984 (talk | contribs) 14:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 July 2024

Hezbollah death toll should be changed to 372 killed. 450 have not been killed nor verified. hezbollah have not confirmed not posted 450 killed as such by l'orient. 109.144.22.45 (talk) 20:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 22:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

heballa

After the elimination of 4 Hizbollah terrorists by the Radwan force, the terrorist organization responded by firing dozens of rockets at Zefo Israel. A direct hit on a soccer field near a playground in Majdal Shams, the injured - children.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/r17nz5zkc#autoplay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.70.25.92 (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: At least 30 people were injured - and some were killed - by a direct hit this afternoon (Saturday) from a rocket that exploded on a soccer field near a playground in Majdal Shams. They were hurt while playing football. MDA CEO Eli Bin informed that seven children who were injured are in critical condition. Another ten people were seriously injured, and are being evacuated with the help of MDA and Air Force helicopters to the hospitals. According to MDA, the victims are children and boys between the ages of 10 and 20. "It's a battlefield," Eli Bin described the harsh scenes at the scene
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/r17nz5zkc#autoplay 87.70.25.92 (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Naser, a resident of Majdal Shams told Ynet about the moment of the impact on the soccer field in the village, and said that "this is the first time there has been a fall here. There was an alarm, I didn't have time to put my hands on my head - and there was an explosion. It exploded in less than half a second."
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hyxlbozk0#autoplay 87.70.25.92 (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/2024_q2/Article-e62124960d4f091026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802h 87.70.25.92 (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Pachu Kannan 87.70.25.92 (talk) 16:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Please see WP:EDITREQ. Pachu Kannan (talk) 18:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:ERW and click on the page is protected to make an edit request. Pachu Kannan (talk) 18:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Renewed evacuations in northern israel

I have just been evacuated from northern Israel for the army is gearing up for a retaliatory offensive into Lebanon. I have been told that the offensive is set to begin 45 minutes from now but have heard nothing. Prepare the editors for impartial updates on the subject 2A01:73C0:501:D1EA:A05A:AA41:782:678C (talk) 19:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Waleed (talk) 16:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Trust me bro" ;-) Eitan Drutman (talk) 03:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it is true , it is a limited operation. And still, why would you tell such information to the Internet? Why would you risk the soldiers who are protecting you? You putted them in a huge danger! You could have got some of them killed! As an Israeli, you should be ashamed. Eitan Drutman (talk) 03:37, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved at this time; the IP editor has been blocked for disruption, had recently filed an identical request that was uniformly opposed, and the proposal here has not received any support. Dekimasuよ! 04:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) → Israel–Hezbollah war (2023–present) – It seems like an all out war now Hezbollah has struck in golan heights of israel killing 12 people and israel has struck inside beirut targeting a hezbollah commander so i think it is fair to call it a war not just a conflict anymore. [1] 173.72.3.91 (talk) 15:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not yet a war. It will be counted as a war only if there will be thousands of killed people on both sides together or if there will be a ground invation by either sides. Eitan Drutman (talk) 03:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Inclusion of minor Individuals in the "commanders and leader" section

I don't think individuals like Lieutenant colonel Alim Abdallah, or Ali Hussein Barji should be considered among their respective sides "commanders and leaders". These are mid level commanders at most, there are probably 20 Lieutenant colonels of the idf currently deployed along the Lebanese border... 2A13:54C2:F000:50D0:A958:E79A:1629:FD1E (talk) 17:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A valid point. I'm not knowledgeable enough to remove the names. Anyone? — kashmīrī TALK 22:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kashmiri: It appears that when a high-ranking member of the organizations listed in the infobox dies, their name is indiscriminately added to the list. I agree that the list needs cleaning, and I think that only the names of the highest ranking leaders should appear. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can start by removing the two names I suggested, I'm not super familiar with hezbollah internal hierarchy, so if somebody has any additional input, that would help.
What I'm certain of is that a lieutenant colonel shouldn't be considered among the idf 'leaders'.... 2A13:54C2:F000:50D0:A958:E79A:1629:FD1E (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd remove everyone except:
- Hassan Nasrallah
- Naim Qassem
- Benjamin Netanyahu
- Yoav Gallant
- Ori Gordin
The list is artificially inflated at the moment because it seems like any kill, no matter how insignificant is being added as if they were significant. -- RisingTzar (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
we sould maybe listen to hezbollah when they announc the death of their members and keep Taleb Abdullah, Wissam al-Tawil, Muhammad Nimah Nasser. when annoucing their death, hezbollah called them and only them (till shukr death) 'commander" https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hezbollah-confirms-death-of-senior-commander-in-idf-strike-in-south-lebanon/
we should also keep shukr, he was even higher but probably remove Barji, there are tree dozen hezbollah senior opperatives who got killed
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/israeli-assassinations-top-hamas-and-hezbollah-officials Anticonstitutionnelist (talk) 13:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, I don't think we can trust them when they call them "commanders" as they are not impartial in this case. It's important to recognize that that Hezbollah, Iran, etc all glorify killings of their own members as martyrs. It's used for their propaganda as virtuous and a rallying cry. RisingTzar (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO the best solution is to find sources where they are clearly presented as MAJOR leaders/commanders PRIOR to their killing. We cannot rely on how they are glorified after the fact. RisingTzar (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Few edit request

First of all in June 2024 section: "Six Israeli soldiers and five civilians were injured while fighting fires sparked by Hezbollah missiles near Kiryat Shmona. Acting Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran made his first overseas visit as foreign minister to Lebanon, during which he confirmed that the Iranian government was engaged in negotiations with the United States hosted by Oman. Forest fires in northern Israel were erupted the entire week which reportedly resulted in 2,500 acres of land burnt and the hospitalization of 11 people due to smoke inhalation."

The first and the last sentences talk about the same event, and should be condensed into one (the latter is more informative, so it probably be the one that is kept, only "11 people" should probably be changed to "six Israeli soldiers and five civilians").

And also in July 2024 section:

"US-made Boeing manufactured Apache warplanes were used in the strike."

AH-64 Apache is an attack helicopter, not a "warplane". It should probably be a link as well since it's the first mention of it in this page (preferably linking to the Boeing AH-64 Apache#Israel section of the page). Whutever1 (talk) 13:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, thank you! Chomik! (talk?) 15:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/idf-hits-beirut-retaliation-golan-majdal-shams-lebanon-rcna164322
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