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==Community Reassessment==
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== World Health Organizaton is unreliable? ==

The following are reliable sources. But, All of my edits will be revert.

*{{cite book |author=joint FAO/WHO expert consultation |date=2002| chapter=Chapter 11 Calcium |title=Human Vitamin and Mineral Requirements |page=80 |url=https://www.fao.org/3/Y2809E/y2809e00.htm |publisher= |isbn=}}
*{{cite book |author=joint FAO/WHO expert consultation |date=2004| chapter=4.10.2 Protein |title=Human Vitamin and Mineral Requirements Second edition |page=80 |url=https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/42716 |publisher= |isbn=92-4-154612-3 }}
*{{cite book |author=joint FAO/WHO/UNU expert consultation |date=2007| chapter=Chapter 13 Protein intake and health |title=Protein and amino acid requirements in human nutrition |page=223-233 |url=https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/43411 |publisher= |isbn=92-4-120935-6 }}
*{{cite journal |authors=Vormann J, Remer T |title=Dietary, metabolic, physiologic, and disease-related aspects of acid-base balance: foreword to the contributions of the second International Acid-Base Symposium |journal=J Nutr |volume=138 |issue=2 |pages=413S–414S |date=February 2008 |pmid=18203912 |doi=10.1093/jn/138.2.413S |url=https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/138.2.413S }}
*{{cite journal| last1=Vormann| first1=Jürgen| last2=Werner| first2=Tanja| title=Foreword to the contributions of the 3rd International Acid-Base Symposium, Smolenice Castle, Slovakia, 2018| journal=European Journal of Clinical Nutrition| date=August 2020| volume=74| issue=S1| pages=1–2| issn=0954-3007| eissn=1476-5640| doi=10.1038/s41430-020-0682-8| pmid=| url=https://doi.org/10.1038/s41430-020-0682-8 }}
--[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 13:39, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:Sources not about the "alkaline diet" are not reliable for content about the alkaline diet. [[User:Alexbrn|Alexbrn]] ([[User talk:Alexbrn|talk]]) 13:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::This topic already included these: "Causal assessment of '''dietary acid load''' and bone disease", "Influence of diet on '''acid-base balance'''"
::Please read the [https://books.google.com/books?id=DXIwDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA703 Krause's Food & the Nutrition Care Process]. These are alkaline diet. --[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 14:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::That is another irrelevant source. Just because the words "alkaline" and "diet" appear in a source, does not mean it's about the specific nonsense that is THE alkaline diet as described in this article. This diet here is not a topic within legitimate science. Are you a native English speaker? [[User:Alexbrn|Alexbrn]] ([[User talk:Alexbrn|talk]]) 14:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

::::Are all negative sources only included in this article? So do we separate legitimate scientific articles? The following references are legitimate science and therefore not appropriate for this article. "Causal assessment of dietary acid load and bone disease" Please explain the separation criteria. --[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 14:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::Both will be written in the milk article: A clinical trial that milk is not good. Opinions that milk is poison. --[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 14:47, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::This is an article about a health scam. Legitimate science goes elsewhere. The fact these two things got mixed up was the reason why this article was de-listed from GA. [[User:Alexbrn|Alexbrn]] ([[User talk:Alexbrn|talk]]) 15:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::That is your claim about GA. Are they separate? The current source also refers to scientific research. [[#OR]]
::::::Anachronist and Sangdeboeuf mentions NPOV. It means writing everything.
::::::The topic of acid-alkaline in foods is a mainstream topic in the nutrition. But mass magazines say it makes the body acidic, but that is wrong. Meats are acidic, vegetables are alkaline. It refers to the same foods.
::::::Among experts, there are both positive and negative opinions. Studies have shown positive or negative results. [[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 10:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::There is no credible scientific support for the diet that this article describes. [[User:Alexbrn|Alexbrn]] ([[User talk:Alexbrn|talk]]) 15:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

== Use of English ==

I have just made two reversions of edits by [[User:Maffty]] as the intent of the edits is unclear, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alkaline_diet&diff=prev&oldid=1099952176 Diff1] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alkaline_diet&type=revision&diff=1099953126&oldid=1099952367 Diff2], as the language is obfuscatory. This is not a criticism of the user, but the language employed, which was not an improvement to the article. If changes can be sufficiently explained, then I'll have no problems. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' <small> the mindfulness</small>]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 13:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

: Would you please fix the problematic part. You have reverted to original research. I have explained fully. Please revise to no original research. --[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 13:30, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
::If you are referring to explanations in the sections above on this page, then no, you have not explained fully. I personally do not understand what the problematic part is, and hence how to fix it. I dont understand how what I have restored is [[WP:OR]] either?. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' <small> the mindfulness</small>]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 13:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:::That is because you have not read the editorial summary.--[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 13:40, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
::::Dont be silly. How do you know what I have and have not done? -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' <small> the mindfulness</small>]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 13:44, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alkaline_diet&curid=5315244&diff=1099957415&oldid=1099955933 Diff] note that I have restored the WEBMD citation to the lead. Acceptable use in context on an ALT-MED topic. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' <small> the mindfulness</small>]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 13:51, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::Was WebMD a negative source? There is no explanation from you.--[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 13:52, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::I just explained in the post above yours. The WEBMD source is actually a good lay summary of the pros and cons of "alkaline diets" -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' <small> the mindfulness</small>]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 13:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::WebMD is a false source for that sentense. WebMD is not opposed. Quackwatch also. WebMD wrote: "But the foods you're supposed to eat on the alkaline diet are good for you and will support a healthy weight loss: lots of fruits and vegetables, and lots of water. " --[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 13:59, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::'''Is English your mother tongue?''' The answer to this question may help me understand the disconnect between what you are writing and your editing of the article. From everything I have read on this page, a lack of comprehension of english may explain. - [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' <small> the English speaking</small>]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 14:03, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::Please do not silently revert to false sources. WebMD is a positive source.--[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 14:07, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::Please answer my ''highlighted'' question above. I shall not respond further until I have received an answer, Thanks. - [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' <small> the English speaking</small>]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 14:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
{{od}}
You are reverting an edit that uses only line breaks. No explanation of the false source.--[[User:Maffty|Maffty]] ([[User talk:Maffty|talk]]) 14:13, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:Your comments above suggest that the only acceptable sources are those that directly oppose the topic. That isn't how Wikipedia works. If that isn't what you meant, then your use of English certainly comes across that way. Your comments and your writing also suggests that English is not your native language. You have not responded to that point. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 23:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
== Requested move 9 November 2023 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''.  [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|<span style="color:#0bf">PING me</span>]]''''') 18:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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[[:Alkaline diet (alternative medicine)]] → {{no redirect|Alkaline diet}} – No disambugation, [[alkaline diet]] currently just redirects here [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 17:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
: This was proposed in 2006, but no one responded and nothing happened. It's about time. Will do it now. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|<span style="color:#0bf">PING me</span>]]''''') 17:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
{{done}} -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|<span style="color:#0bf">PING me</span>]]''''') 17:59, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

:Wow, that was fast. Thanks! [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 18:17, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
:: This was a very uncomplicated request, so an easy job. Thanks for pointing out this problem. Keep up the good work. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|<span style="color:#0bf">PING me</span>]]''''') 18:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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