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== Clarification needed as to why I have been indefinitely topic banned from religion and Pakistan-India topics == |
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'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Xtremedood|Xtremedood]] ([[User talk:Xtremedood|talk]]) '''at''' 17:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*{{userlinks|Xtremedood}}, ''filing party'' |
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*{{admin|JzG}} |
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=754250493#Apparent_attempts_at_censorship] |
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=== Statement by Xtremedood === |
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I was recently topic banned from topics related to religion and Pakistan-India by [[user:JzG]]. JzG left a message here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xtremedood&oldid=753811285#Topic_ban] on my talk page informing me of my ban but providing no judgement based on WP policy. As I have mentioned in the discussion, there are a total of four referenced articles [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=754250493#Apparent_attempts_at_censorship] that the complainant referenced, and I have justified my edits based on sound Wikipedia policy and legitimate reasons (see discussion). None of the editors have even attempted to engage me in dialogue on the matter, even though I have started several discussions on the talk pages of the articles (see discussion). I have also been harassed online and threatened by group(s) who have clear bias. Also, none of the topics referenced have anything to do with Pakistan-India topics and are religious topics. Therefore, I am looking for clarification, based on Wikipedia policy, as to why I have been indefinitely topic banned on this topic and religion. WP policy clearly states that consensus is not based on the tally of votes. I believe that I have been unjustly topic banned due to biased non-NPOV tendencies among certain editors who have misrepresented my edits in the discussion and including some who have historically collaborated to work together to propagate Islamophobic content based on bias, discrimination, fallacies, and factually incorrect materials. Wikipedia should not be the place in which such POV's take precedence over objective analysis of the materials. [[User:Xtremedood|Xtremedood]] ([[User talk:Xtremedood|talk]]) 17:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by JzG === |
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This is in the wrong place, it should be at clarifications and amendments or AE, I think. |
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That was my assessment of the consensus at the ANI discussion here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=753809428#Apparent_attempts_at_censorship] - I would remind Xtremedood that not accepting the basis in policy does not mean there isn't one, there was input from a decent number of very experienced Wikipedians. Of course Xtremedood doesn't accept the consensus - hence the need for a topic ban. That's pretty much how it goes. Other uninvolved admins are welcome to review it, I have no dog in this fight and I try to stand back from any such reviews. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 20:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by BU Rob13 === |
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This is a community-implemented topic ban. Even though it overlaps with a discretionary sanctions topic area, this is not an AE action, so this really doesn't belong at any ArbCom-related venue. There's no substantive complaint here about the validity of the ban discussion or its closure, so this should be declined. Per the [[Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Appeals_of_bans_imposed_by_the_community|banning policy]], this editor may appeal to the community after six months. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 21:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by {Non-party} === |
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Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information. |
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=== Clarification needed as to why I have been indefinitely topic banned from religion and Pakistan-India topics: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/6/0> === |
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{{anchor|1=Clarification needed as to why I have been indefinitely topic banned from religion and Pakistan-India topics: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small> |
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*This arb thinks that this is not for us, not for here, and that any clarification should be gotten from the enforcing administrator, and any appeal sought via AN/ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 02:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*This does not seem within arbcom's area of work. '''Decline''' --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">Parlez Moi</font>]] 23:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' - follow Drmies advice. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:25, 13 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline'''. Drmies is right on next steps. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 02:59, 14 December 2016 (UTC) |
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* '''Decline''' as above. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] ([[User talk:Opabinia regalis|talk]]) 19:33, 14 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline'''. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] ([[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|talk]]) 23:34, 15 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline.''' <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 19:20, 17 December 2016 (UTC) |
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* '''Decline'''. [[User:kelapstick|kelapstick]]<sup>([[User talk:Kelapstick#top|bainuu]]) </sup> 21:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC) |
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== Regarding removal of phrase "regional power" (with 2 references) from Pakistan article == |
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'''Initiated by ''' <font face="Forte">[[User:Wiki id2|<span style="color:red;background:white">Wiki id2</span>]][[User talk:Wiki id2|<span style="color:white;background:red">(talk)</span>]]</font> '''at''' 22:47, 12 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*{{userlinks|Wiki id2}}, ''filing party'' |
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*{{userlinks|Tiger7253}} |
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*{{userlinks|Towns Hill}} |
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*[[User_talk:Tiger7253#Arbitration_committee.]] |
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*[[User_talk:Towns_Hill#Regarding_Pakistan_.22regional_power.22_references]] |
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=== Statement by Wiki id2 === |
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Prior attempt at dispute resolution has not been made, due to ad hominem attacks by Tiger7523, has accused TownsHill of "chauvinism" rather than assume good faith as he provided two references, and has threatened me, with blackmail "bias towards a certain country. You will be standing alone if you do that... there are people on Wikipedia that can vouch for me." I assume he means I'm biased because I am a Pakistani person - I myself found this offensive and a crude chauvinistic attack on my personal character. I therefore, believe that the dispute resolution should be done by the experienced editors on the arbitration committee. Also, I haven't been on the arbitration committee before so once I have filed this form please can experience users direct me as to how I can provide further information. |
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Please see this link for the edit warring: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan&diff=754478934&oldid=754475805 |
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I myself have not looked at the reference as TownsHill has. |
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Tiger7523 removed Pakistan being a "regional power" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan&diff=753704130&oldid=753670950 and stated then that there was nothing in the reference which referred to Pakistan as a regional power. |
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TownsHill then provided not one but two references: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan&diff=754182253&oldid=754180913 |
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Only for Tiger7523 to remove it stating that "Post-1971 the only regional power in the subcontinent is India. Please refrain from making chauvinistic edits." |
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I then undid this, stating that he assumed bad faith by accusing TownsHill of "chauvinism" and that there were two references provided. I stated his opinion that "Post-1971 India is the '''only''' regional power" is violation of WP:NOR (no original research) |
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Therefore I would like to request this case to be opened. Kind regards, (<font face="Forte">[[User:Wiki id2|<span style="color:red;background:white">Wiki id2</span>]][[User talk:Wiki id2|<span style="color:white;background:red">(talk)</span>]]</font> 22:47, 12 December 2016 (UTC)) |
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=== Statement by Tiger7253 === |
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=== Statement by TownsHill === |
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===Statement by [[User:Robert McClenon]]=== |
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If this is about [[Pakistan]] (or [[India]]), then the topic area has already been considered by a previous ArbCom and [[WP:AC/DS|discretionary sanctions]] are available. I suggest that the filing party read [[WP:BOOMERANG|the boomerang essay]] and then consider a request to [[WP:AE|Arbitration Enforcement]]. I know that the ArbCom already knows not to rehash this. Why are so many trivial requests being filed in 48 hours? [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 01:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC) |
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===Statement by Capitals=== |
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:This is content dispute, there was one source[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan&diff=754182253&oldid=754180913] not even 2, and the source you are rely on,[https://books.google.com.au/books?id=N3LfkrrNM4QC&pg=PA55&dq=is+pakistan+a+regional+power&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimtNLw0-vQAhULhbwKHXHsCK4Q6AEIQTAH#v=onepage&q=is%20pakistan%20a%20regional%20power&f=false] is more than decade old. [[User:Capitals00|Capitals00]] ([[User talk:Capitals00|talk]]) 16:33, 13 December 2016 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by Kautilya3 === |
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It is a content dispute. A talk page discussion should have been the first step. I have initiated [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pakistan#Regional_power.3F one], and nothing more is needed until that is concluded. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 18:32, 13 December 2016 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by {Non-party} === |
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Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information. |
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=== Regarding removal of phrase "regional power" (with 2 references) from Pakistan article: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/5/0> === |
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{{anchor|1=Very brief and neutral name describing the topic of the dispute: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small> |
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*'''Decline''' We don't deal with content disputes, and normal edit warring or incivility can be handled at other forums, ANI, AN or if there's been a sanctions violation AE. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:29, 13 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline'''. We can't handle the content part of this request, and I don't see that there have been attempts at dispute resolution either via talk page or in another DR forum such as ANI. Kautilya3's talk page post is a good start for handling the content issue, and ANI would be best for looking into conduct issues. [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]] <small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 03:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' as premature. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] ([[User talk:Opabinia regalis|talk]]) 19:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline'''. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] ([[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|talk]]) 23:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline.''' <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 19:21, 17 December 2016 (UTC) |
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* '''Decline''' [[User:kelapstick|kelapstick]]<sup>([[User talk:Kelapstick#top|bainuu]]) </sup> 21:58, 17 December 2016 (UTC) |
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