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== Incivility, AN/I non-resolution, irony AfD concerns == |
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'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Marketdiamond|<font color="green"><sup style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"> Market St.⧏ </sup><sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"> ⧐ Diamond Way</sub></font>]] '''at''' 11:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC) |
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=== Involved parties === |
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*{{userlinks|Marketdiamond}}, ''filing party'' |
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*{{userlinks|Beyond My Ken}} |
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*{{userlinks|Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi}} |
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*{{admin|Black Kite}} |
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;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request |
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=662290595&oldid=662288557] |
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi&diff=662290689&oldid=662288538] |
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Kite&diff=662290634&oldid=662288549] |
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;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried |
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=prev&oldid=659252540 |
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659257210 |
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659262915 |
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services |
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Kite&diff=prev&oldid=659266863 |
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Kite&diff=prev&oldid=659557252 |
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=== Statement by Marketdiamond === |
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Not the AfD but conduct making a 30 day process @ 9 talks, none my choice. |
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No ANI Admin discussion. No answers by Fortuna over weeks of messaging on 3 pgs. BMK put me in a hall-of-mirrors with 7-8 disruptions (dis.) of my talk edits on 3 pgs, moving the AfD discussion to 2 pgs w/ 22 edits in 2+ hrs. |
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I see a pattern w/ [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Beyond+My+Ken BMK] & [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Fortuna+Imperatrix+Mundi Fortuna] |
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BK in just 7 mins(or 34 mins. but with +s) reads thru 2 ANIs, a week-long AfD & a users talk? W/o replying BK closes my concerns on 4 talks & deletes the article w/o any admin talk. |
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15 Apr <br /> |
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Fortuna [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Deb&diff=prev&oldid=656626939 OKs a more promotional version] w/ no input prior to AfD, then never votes/answers/explains for 7 days [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services&diff=next&oldid=657328871 except] by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services&diff=prev&oldid=657255069 (personal but relevant & fact/not attack)]. |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi&diff=656629228&oldid=656414464 Posts more deletion "irony" policy vio] |
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26 Apr <br /> |
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1:10 |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services&diff=prev&oldid=659224427 BMK changes my talk page words (dis. #1) w/o answering my concerns+false statement] |
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6:23 contradiction, false statement/incivil ignores my concerns/dehumanizes, showing BMK escalates not resolves: |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services&diff=prev&oldid=659251302 I don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about. What '''''I'm''''' talking about is that every editor only gets to !vote on AfD once, and you !voted twice.] |
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6:24 contra/false+challenging: |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services&diff=prev&oldid=659251119 duh, no, i only does whatz all da udders duz cause i aint got no brainses. You kmow what, you can stick your comment where the sun doesn't shine, sweetheart...stop being a jerk and hassling editors who disagree with you. (Oh, and yes, my !vote actually does count. It's enough to make you cry, innit?)] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services&diff=prev&oldid=659251414 6:25 dis. #2] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659252540 6:34 Buzz off.] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659252804 6:36 dis. #3] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659255406 After "buzz off" to ANI, BMK reverses & w/o warning/resolution goes ANI on 'incident' no editor discussed nor talk page alerted me with revisionism+contra+false, admits AfD policy vio] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marketdiamond&diff=prev&oldid=659255467 7:05 @ my talk contra] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659256179 7:13 contra, false] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659256625 7:18] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659257521 7:28 edits over me #4 asking] all if I'm "[[WP:CIR]]" |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659258146 7:33] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659258283 7:35] |
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7:41 contra, false + ends with "CIR" narrative [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659259037 There is definitely something... '''''off''''' going on there.] |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services&diff=prev&oldid=659261918 8:07 @AfD. Despite BMK's denial, my fear of editors 'parroting' false statements occurs] |
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8:23 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659263733 BMK contra, false][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659263394 as I post on BMK's deleting my text] |
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8:26 Dis. #5 & contra, false:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659263788 You are not worth my time. Don't post here again unless you are required to by Wikipedia policies] |
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8:27 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659263951 "same as last you bore me" Dis. #6/deletes my notice, contra.][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659263975 Dis. #7 + contra] |
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After I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659252963 notify w/ link @ 8:20], 8:30 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659264255 BMK contra after deleting me] |
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8:33 BK [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659264023 edits BMK] |
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8:34 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=next&oldid=659264513 undos] |
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8:39 |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659264965 Merges my ANI after 27 mins. w/o prior admin help.] |
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8:43 While knowing I've been away from AfD |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services&diff=next&oldid=659261918 closes & deletes article] IMO against AfD policies/false w/ ignored questions including by another editor's "to table" yet [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2015_April_19 is by far (hrs. & days) the 1st to be deleted that wasn't speedy]. |
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8:46 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=659265638 Closes 7 min. old merged ANI w/o any admin help] parroting BMK's false & contras |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Kite&direction=next&oldid=659266863 in BK's 1st conversation anywhere on this.] |
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30 Apr <br /> |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marketdiamond&diff=660035474&oldid=659429817 Unsolicited Fortuna, IMO mocking] |
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Ref:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Marketdiamond/Corporate_Election_Services article unchanged.] |
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*Reply to AGK concerns |
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*You're correct in your conclusion, that is why I'm proud to say "edit warring"/"3RR"/"edit war"/"e.w." or any reference to that type of claim has never been part of the above text. Like you I sought a rebuttal to those (to me questionable) difs, so presenting them was highly constructive. I will expand my argument if this request is accepted but it will be an expansion of all claims abbreviated above, things not mentioned above shouldn't be any part of my case. This forum I was under the impression was for related difs, so I complied. I've been on a wild goose chase with these difs so I am very empathetic + thankful for the time arbitrators are using for this matter, that is why I took so much time providing all answers in the above text (the answer to your concern has always been above) which hasn't been altered in any material way since posting. I try very hard never to misquote anyone + sincerely appreciate efforts of the same.[[User:Marketdiamond|<font color="green"><sup style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"> Market St.⧏ </sup><sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"> ⧐ Diamond Way</sub></font>]] 12:18, 15 May 2015 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by Beyond My Ken === |
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I believe that the fullest understanding of what went on here -- at least from my point of view -- can be had by reading the AfD involved (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corporate_Election_Services), with special attention to Marketdiamond's comments and behavior, and this thread on AN/I: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive883#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FCorporate_Election_Services [[User:Beyond My Ken|BMK]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 15:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi === |
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=== Statement by Black Kite === |
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My reply to Marketdiamond can be seen at [[User_talk:Black_Kite/Archive_57#So_let_me_understand_this]]. The diffs he gives where I reverted BMK on his talkpage were a mis-click, reverted immediately. Other than that, the place for the discussion of an AfD close is [[WP:DRV]], nowhere else. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 13:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by uninvolved Guy Macon === |
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This appears to be a continuation of the dispute at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive883#Requested immediate block on user BMK]]. I fail to see anything new that was not addressed at [[WP:ANI|ANI]]. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 14:34, 14 May 2015 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by Hasteur === |
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If there is anything for ArbCom to sort out it is the significant failure to meet basic conduct/behavioral norms. It is my posit that this need not be a full evidentary ArbCom case and could be disposed of by committee endorsed reccomendations (i.e. a warning) or with conduct restricting sanctions (i.e. Boomerang action against the requestor). Admins acted in line with the established policies/guidelines/best practices and therefore have nothing to be addressed. [[User:Hasteur|Hasteur]] ([[User talk:Hasteur|talk]]) 18:32, 14 May 2015 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by {Non-party} === |
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Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information. |
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=== Incivility, AN/I non-resolution, irony AfD concerns: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/8/0/0> === |
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{{anchor|1=Incivility, AN/I non-resolution, irony AfD concerns: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse/other)</small> |
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*'''Decline'''. I'm not seeing anything here that either has not been already dealt with at AN(I) or could not be dealt with there. ArbCom does not deal with article content, and so we will not comment on the AfD - if you wish to challenge the closure the correct venue is, as noted, [[Wikipedia:Deletion Review]] ([[WP:DRV]]). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 15:13, 14 May 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] [[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 06:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline'''. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> '''[[User:Salvio giuliano|Salvio]]'''</span> [[User talk:Salvio giuliano|<sup>Let's talk about it!</sup>]] 09:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 09:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC) |
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* {{reply|Marketdiamond}} If deliberate, it was deceitful of you to pass off as edit warring a misclick that was immediately reverted. This led me on a wild goose chase not ended until I read the rebuttal to your statement. (If accidental, it was unbelievably careless.) There is absolutely nothing here in your submission that remotely requires the committee's attention. '''Decline.''' [[User:AGK|<font color="black">'''AGK'''</font>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 10:48, 15 May 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 12:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''' [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 23:20, 15 May 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Decline''', the venue for dissatisfaction with an AfD result is DRV, and I don't see anything else here rising to the level of requiring arbitration. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 01:25, 16 May 2015 (UTC) |
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