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This is a WP:POVFORK of Russian nationalism. The sources I've skimmed through on this article are generally either discussing Russian nationalism, or discussing whether the term "fascism" should or could be applied to Putin/Russia, rather than discussing a distinct and coherent ideology by the name of "Russian fascism". Endwise (talk) 10:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Russia. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:00, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete to WP:TNT. The subject seems notable (see here), but the page is clearly OR and WP:FICTREF.

Unfortunately, other WP versions have already translated the English version of the article in their language. I think those should also be deleted. Veverve (talk) 11:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is not just Russian nationalism, it`s fascism, and as it carries the ideas of the cult of personality, militarism, totalitarianism and Russian imperialism. The term "rashizm" is too well known in the post-Soviet space to remove it. You can search in Google "рашизм". Against the background of some Russians sincerely supporting the actions of their government using the letter Z in social media, it is cynical to delete an article about what is now common in Russia. Jafaz (talk) 11:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, it seems there is such an article on the Ukrainian Wikipedia: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC Maybe translating that would be a better start? Endwise (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jafaz: the only real argument of yours is [t]he term "rashizm" is too well known in the post-Soviet space to remove it; I argue that there is Wiktionary if you believe an expression or term is important. WP:Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary.

By the way, you are the main contributor to this article, and thus are responsible for the dire state it is in; this includes accusations of WP:POVFORK, WP:FICTREF and OR by @Endwise: which you have not even attempted to rebuke. The second main contributor is @Tsans2: who has so far not responded to the AfD nomination. Veverve (talk) 12:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your accusations about the horror of the article are completely unfounded, as I understand it, you are guided by your Russophilia. By that logic, you should delete the article about the ghosts of Kyiv. I am not the author of this article, dear.Jafaz (talk) 12:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jafaz: Those are gratuitous and baseless accusations, as well as personnal attacks. Those are not allowed on Wikipedia. You have once again not made any attempt at rebuking the norminator's arguments or mine. You have written 52% of this article which has been created less than a week ago. Notability does not prevent a TNT, especially on such a recently created article. Veverve (talk) 15:30, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I initially reviewed the article and added the maintenance tags. I had a quick scan of Google Scholar and JSTOR to try and determine whether this is a notable stand-alone topic, and I think it is. I put the (Western) academic sources I found on the talk page. It doesn't look like a POVFORK to me, but I agree with Veverve it's currently a borderline TNT case as it's written in a non-neutral argumentative essay-like style (no doubt motivated by a desire to document the ideology driving the current invasion, as Jafaz sees it). However, a significant portion of the text is attributed to Russian political scientists, which may be hard for non-Russian speakers to access if this was recreated in the future. It looks to me as though much of the content is potentially valuable, and a heavy rewrite may be all that's needed? The sources look concerning (YouTube and lots of Ukrainian media which I'm unfamiliar with), but as I can't read Cyrillic I can't be certain whether the expert statements quoted in the text are properly supported. Draftifying could also be an option. Jr8825 • Talk 14:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I assure you that this term exists in Central and Eastern Europe and is very common. If the user @Veverve: did not constantly delete files from the article with unfounded accusations of their unjustified use in this article, you would see a protest in Moscow with a poster "Stop rashism". As I said, those who are about to remove this article are Russophiles who want to hide the existence of this fact of fascism. Due to recent events, they probably do not want to cover their position. Against the background of Russian troops now killing civilians (I have already killed a classmate from Kharkov with my whole family) and trying to seize Ukrainian cities, all those who try to justify the Russian regime or hide their ideology for English-speaking people are also participants in this genocide. I can no longer control my emotions.Jafaz (talk) 11:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::{{ping|Jafaz}} Those are gratuitous and baseless accusations, as well as personnal attacks. [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|Those are not allowed on Wikipedia]]. You have once again not made any attempt at rebuking the norminator's arguments or mine. You have written 52% of this article which has been created less than a week ago. Notability does not prevent a TNT, especially on such a recently created article. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 15:30, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''' - I initially reviewed the article and added the maintenance tags. I had a quick scan of Google Scholar and JSTOR to try and determine whether this is a notable stand-alone topic, and I think it is. I put the (Western) academic sources I found on the talk page. It doesn't look like a POVFORK to me, but I agree with Veverve it's currently a borderline TNT case as it's written in a non-neutral argumentative essay-like style (no doubt motivated by a [[WP:RGW|desire to document]] the ideology driving the current invasion, as Jafaz sees it). However, a significant portion of the text is attributed to Russian political scientists, which may be hard for non-Russian speakers to access if this was recreated in the future. It looks to me as though much of the content is potentially valuable, and a heavy rewrite may be all that's needed? The sources look concerning (YouTube and lots of Ukrainian media which I'm unfamiliar with), but as I can't read Cyrillic I can't be certain whether the expert statements quoted in the text are properly supported. Draftifying could also be an option. [[User:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#6F0000;">Jr8825</span>]] • [[User Talk:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#4682B4;">Talk</span>]] 14:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
+::I assure you that this term exists in Central and Eastern Europe and is very common. If the user {{ping|Veverve}} did not constantly delete files from the article with unfounded accusations of their unjustified use in this article, you would see a protest in Moscow with a poster "Stop rashism". As I said, those who are about to remove this article are Russophiles who want to hide the existence of this fact of fascism. Due to recent events, they probably do not want to cover their position. Against the background of Russian troops now killing civilians (I have already killed a classmate from Kharkov with my whole family) and trying to seize Ukrainian cities, all those who try to justify the Russian regime or hide their ideology for English-speaking people are also participants in this genocide. I can no longer control my emotions.[[User:Jafaz|Jafaz]] ([[User talk:Jafaz|talk]]) 11:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)