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kober tqven ertaderti qartveliwikipedieli brzandebit da iqneb daafiqsirot tqveni azri aq aq qartul0 wikipediashi aqtivoba nulis tolia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.0.140 (talk) 15:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

batono kober, gtxovt iqneb mxari dauchirot gverdis gadatanas. tqvenc xom kargad icit rom iberia egzonimia da misi saxeli kartlia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.37.91.23 (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

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gamarjoba,

mainteresebs rogor gadaitargmneba samefo aznauri inglisurad, magalitad tavadi itargmneba rogorc prince magram samefo aznauri? me vfirkob rogorc baroni, rogorc samefo aznauri aseve baronic mefis ushualo vasalebi ikvnen stored vsmjelob tu ara? madlobt. --Heraldicbone (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Question

Hello Kober, I wanted to ask -- do you have access to the Georgian original of Leonti Mroveli's Chronicles, and would you be able to verify some questions I have, or if not, might you know somewhat who might be able to? Thanks a ton! --Calthinus (talk) 17:56, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Hello and sorry for a late reply. Yes, I do have an access to the Georgian text and I would be happy to help you with that. Best, --Kober^Talk 11:45, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Great, and thanks for your help. I wanted to verify some things secondary sources-- mainly Amjad Jaimoukha -- said that Mroveli said. First up I guess is this one: that after the time of Alexander the Great, some "Chaldeans" "returned" to the Caucasus. Unfortunately I don't have a cite for where Mroveli might have said that. Do you by chance know if he did though? Thanks again,--Calthinus (talk) 15:52, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Well, there is such a passage in Mroveli's chronicle, but it claims that the event occurred in the wake of Alexander's alleged invasion of the Caucasus, not after it. Also, the text does not imply that the alleged Chaldean migration was their "return": "Furthermore, other peoples, the K'aldeveli (=Chaldeans), had come, and they too had settled in K'art'li." (translation by Thomson 1996, p. 24).--Kober^Talk 04:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

And it doesn't mention anything about the K'aldeveli or some synonym having come from the Caucasus anywhere else, to your knowledge? --Calthinus (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: No, it does not mention anything like that. The chronicle makes only two more mentions of the Chaldeans, in both cases referring to the mutual enmity of the "Itrujan", the god of the Chaldeans, and Armazi, that of the Georgians. See Thomson, pp. 100, 106. I think Jaimoukha tries to prove too much by identifying the K'aldeveli of the Georgian sources with the Urartian migrants into the South Caucasian heartland. --Kober^Talk 18:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

That's what I was afraid of as well. Hence I why I was asking you. Some cleanup may be necessary. Thanks for your help. --Calthinus (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Vakhushti

Jaimoukha doesn't mention which specific work this came from, unfortunately. What did he say about the "Kakh" of Kakheti? If you don't have access that's fine, I will be removing this momentarily for the time being...--Calthinus (talk) 17:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Well, "Kakh" is an enthnonym referring to the population of Kakheti. So, it naturally recurs multiple times in the works of Prince Vakhushti. Is there any specific passage that might be of interest to you? --Kober^Talk 16:56, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Well unfortunately Jaimoukha doesn't seem to have given any sort of page number. But what I'm interested in is where the "Kakh-Batsa" are discussed. Jaimoukha seems to equate these to the Kakh. Naturally I am... curious. --Calthinus (talk) 13:53, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: I checked Vakhushti's opus and failed to find any mention of "Kakh-Batsa". I was able to find only one passage discussing the possible connection between the Kakh (in the sense of the people of Kakheti) and the Nakh tribes. Immediately after describing geography of Kakheti and the adjacent mountainous valleys, Vakhushti asserts that "due to this" (that is, geographic proximity) the Kakhs claimed Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi (~Ingush), and Kists as "theirs", but these tribes had broken away and did no more recognize these links:

გარნა სდებენ ამათ გამო კახნი ძურძუკთა, ღლიღუთა და ქისტთა თჳსად, გარნა მათ არა უწყიან ესე მიერ ჟამით, ოდეს განდგნენ.

--Kober^Talk 15:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Sadly I don't speak Georgian nor do I trust Google Translate for it, but Google Translate makes it look like this quote is about... caterpillars? Is that a metaphor? --Calthinus (talk) 16:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah, my bad... I forgot to include the translation. The quote reads: "For this reason [i.e., preceding description of geographic proximity], the Kakhs claimed the Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi, and Kists as their own, but, as for now, they [i.e., the Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi, and Kists] do not recognize this, since they have broken away." --Kober^Talk 16:20, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay I see that now with the Romanization. Amusing, Google translate thinks "dzurdzuk’ta, ghlighuta da kist’ta tŭisad" is "the cattle, and the caterpillars, and the cisterns" :). Thanks Kober! --Calthinus (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Heh, that's really amusing :) You are welcome. Don't hesitate to drop me a line should you have further questions. --Kober^Talk 16:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey Kober, so I am working on gradually replacing Jaimoukha with others. He's highly regarded in many things but I think at this rate I'd prefer alternatives in the early history realm, but total deletion would cripple certain pages. Anchabadze works for many things, as will Diakonoff and Starostin, and Nichols, and Tsaroieva for the folklore. Many Georgian authors have contributed a lot on Nakh (pre)history and might be much better -- Gamrekeli and Melikishvili immediately come to mind -- might you have access to any of these? Cheers! --Calthinus (talk) 21:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

In particular, Melikishvilli's work on proposed Nakh origins in the South Caucasus. --Calthinus (talk) 22:06, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Hello. Unfortunately, I don't have these sources at hand right now, but I will see what I can do in the near future. I think Melikishvili's 1998 book in Georgian perfectly summarizes all his previous theories on Caucasian prehistory. I will try to get that volume. Best, --Kober^Talk 18:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

No rush -- I'm sure we're both busy guys. Thanks again for your help! --Calthinus (talk) 18:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Ali Bey al-Kabir

Hi Kober, hope all is well. I just corrected this article by using the new EoI Three entry, but I have a few minor questions about its categorization:

• Should Category:18th-century people from Georgia (country) be added?
  
• Which category would you deem more appropriate for this figure, Category:Georgians of the Ottoman Empire or Category:People of the Ottoman Empire of Georgian descent?
• Should Category:Former Georgian Orthodox Christians and Category:Converts to Islam from Eastern Orthodoxy be added?

Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 20:12, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@LouisAragon:, Hello. I think the Category:People of the Ottoman Empire of Georgian descent,Category:Former Georgian Orthodox Christians and Category:Converts to Islam from Eastern Orthodoxy best fit the context. --Kober^Talk 15:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

gamarjoba!

gamarjoba kober gtxovt naxot es tema. es vandali acilebs udzveles gerbs. aq naxet Talk:Kingdom of Georgia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.202.35.235 (talk) 20:33, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

gamarjoba. mag gerbis carmomavloba gaurkvevelia da arafrit mtkicdeba rom gamoiyeneboda saqartvelos gerbad. saertod, saqartvelosi me16 saukunemde arc iyo evropuli gagebit gerbebi, mitumetes egeti klasikuri dasavluri heraldikuri dizainit.--Kober^Talk 20:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

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გამარჯობა, ჩემი ახალი წიგნის: "ქართველოლოგიის თანამედროვე გამოწვევები" (2019) გარეკანის დიზაინში მინდა გამოვიყენო დემოკრატიული საქართველოს რუკა, რომელიც თქვენი ატვირთულია ვიკი-ში. პლაგიატისაგან თავის დაზღვევისათვის მინდა მივუთითო პირველწყარო. იქნებ გამომიგზავნოთ ეს რუკა https://www.google.com/search?q=Democratic+Republic+of+Georgia+map.jpg&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=8mOeS9I0gGw_cM%253A%252CqABHHqOrRqILFM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kR16-cG7pLVD8AQEhl9cuBsQrC7Ww&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPs86f--XfAhXQtIsKHTiFCpMQ9QEwAXoECAQQBA#imgrc=8mOeS9I0gGw_cM: მაღალი ხარისხით მისი ბოლო ვარიანტის პირველწყაროს მითითებით. ჩემი ფოსტა: tariel.putkaradze@gmail.com

ასევე, თუ დაინტერესდებით, ქართულად (ზოგი ინგლისურადაც) მაქვს წიგნები, რომელთა მონაცემები შეგიძლიათ გამოიყენოთ ვიკიპედიაში:

ტ. ფუტკარაძე, ქართველოლოგიის ორგვარი დაგეგმვა 1917-1935 წლებში, თბილისი, 2011. თანავტორი ი.ვაშაკიძე. გამომცემლობა „უნივერსალი“. Two Types of Planning of Kartvelology in 1917-1935 /Comparative Analysis of Positions of Ivane Javakhishvili and Nicholas Marr/, Tb., 2011; co-author Ia Vashakidze, Tbilisi, 2011

"ევროპული ქარტია რეგიონული ან უმცირესობის ენის შესახებ" და საქართველო", ქუთაისი, 2010; თანაავტორები: ე. დადიანი, რ. შეროზია; "European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages" and Georgia", Kutaisi, 2010; E.Dadiani, R. Serozia; http://www.scribd.com/doc/35702700/Tariel-Putkaradze-Eka-Dadiani-Revaz-Seroozia-2010

"ევროპული ქარტია რეგიონული ან უმცირესობის ენების შესახებ" და საქართველოში ენობრივი პოლიტიკის დაგეგმვის საკითხი, თბ., 2009. "უნივერსალი"; "European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages" and An Issue of Plannig Linguistic Policy in Georgia, Tb. 2009. http://www.scribd.com/doc/12621676/T-Putkaradze-European-Charter-for-Regional-or-Minority-Languages-and-An-Issue-of-Plannig-Linguistic-Policy-in-Georgia;

ქართველები (ისტორიული საცხოვრისი, სამწიგნობრო ენა, დიალექტები, 2005, 624 გვ.; ინგლ. 395-394 გვ.; თურქ. 395-492გვ.; The Georgians The Kartvels (Historical Home, Mother Tongue Dialects); English version pg. 395-492; Turkish version pg. 331-394; გამომცემლობა "ქუთაისის სახელმწიფო უნივერსიტეტი"; Publishing house "Akaki Tsereteli State University"; http://www.scribd.com/doc/2158690/The-Georgians-the-Kartvels; http://www.scribd.com/doc/2158759/Kartveller-Gurculer — Preceding unsigned comment added by ტარიელი (talk • contribs) 05:40, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

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გამარჯობა. თქვენი დახმარება მჭირდება სტატიის მწყობრში მოსაყვანად. ჩახლართულ ეპოქას შევეჭიდე და ვცდილობ ნათელი მოვფინო ამ პერიოდს, თუმცა ჯერჯერობით უშედეგოდ. „ქართველთა სამეფოს“ ცნობადობა რომ ამაღლდეს, საჭიროა სწორად მოწოდებული ინფორმაცია, რაც მკითხველს გაუმარტივებს მის აღქმაში. მგონი თქვენზე უკეთ ამას თავს ვერავინ გაართმევს. --Georgiano (talk) 13:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Georgiano:. გამარჯობა. აუცილებლად შევეცდები. ეტაპობრივად... თქვენ ძალიან დიდი შრომა გაწიეთ უკვე შუა სს. საქ. ისტ. წარმოჩენისთვის, რისთვისაც მადლობა. --Kober^Talk 18:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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Seems both of us were pinged.[1] - LouisAragon (talk) 15:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I have already voiced my opinion. --Kober^Talk 20:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Kober!

Hello Kober! Please see Talk:The Georgian Chronicles I'd appreciate the feedback and your input there. Thank you. Emperor of Emperors (talk) 21:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Category:Sasanian people of Georgian descent

Could you assist in populating this new category? Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 01:34, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Sure. But I don't quite understand what "Sasanian people" stands for. Part of the Sasanian dynasty? People of the Sasanian Empire? --Kober^Talk 12:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

People of the Sasanian Empire. Similar to "Byzantine people of XYZ descent". - LouisAragon (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Then why not to name it "People of the Sasanian Empire of Georgian descent", especially given that the parental category is "People of the Sasanian Empire"? In your example "Byzantine" refers to the state, not the dynasty. As I see it, "Sasanian people" =/= "People of the Sasanian Empire". --Kober^Talk 12:16, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Ah, you're right. I'll adjust it. Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 12:18, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks to you too.--Kober^Talk 12:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Its fixed, ready to be populated ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

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სალამი,

ვნახე რომ ეს სურათი გაქვს ატვირთული - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tiflis_City_Hall_after_the_Cossack_attack_1905.jpg

წყაროდ მითითებულია - Jones, Stephen F. (2005), Socialism in Georgian Colors: The European Road to Social Democracy, 1883-1917

ამ წიგნმა დამაინტერესა, შეიძლება კვლევისთვის რაიმე საინტერესო მოვნახო, სად იშოვე ეს წიგნი ჰომ ვერ მეტყვი? რომელიმე ბიბლიოთეკაში ჰომ არ არის? იქნებ მეც მოვახერხო და გადავავლო თვალი როგორმე :)

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გამარჯობა. წიგნი მაქვს, მაგრამ hard-copy. ელ. ვერსია არ მაქვს. მე უცხოელმა მეგობარმა მაჩუქა, მაგრამ ალბათ თბილისის ბიბლიოთეკებშიც არის. ქართულენოვანი თარგმანი იყიდება კიდევაც. http://ligamus.iliauni.edu.ge/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3841. --Kober^Talk 12:38, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Kober. Does any Georgian government agency have data on how many citizens of Armenia live in Georgia? What about Armenian-born population? ----Երևանցի ^talk 14:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: Hello. I surfed through GeoStat and the only relevant information I found was a file containing annual immigrant stats for the 2012-2018 period according to the country of origin (incl. Armenia): "Number of immigrants and emigrants by sex and citizenship". The Georgian law defines an immigrant as a person of foreign nationality who has crossed into Georgia during the past 12 months and has spent at least 183 days in the country. --Kober^Talk 14:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Can you find data on ethnicity and religious affiliation by district (I could only find by provinces) from the 2014 census? ----Երևանցի ^talk 15:14, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: You are welcome! Here you can find all sorts of data from the 2014 census, such as "Total population by regions and ethnicity" (which includes individual municipalities) and "Population by regions and religion". And yes, I finally found the data regarding "Population by country of birth","Population by citizenship country", and related stats. --Kober^Talk 15:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again. Appreciate your help! ----Երևանցի ^talk 13:51, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Nestor Lakoba FAC

Hey, I hate to do this, but as you are one of the few users actively working on Georgian articles, I wanted to reach out to you. I have Nestor Lakoba at FAC, and it's in danger of being archived due to lack of reviews. I realise he wasn't exactly Georgian, but if you'd be interested in taking a look it would be much appreciated. Kaiser matias (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kaiser matias: Hello. I posted a couple of suggestions. Good luck and keep it up. --Kober^Talk 19:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for going through it. Glad to have someone else familiar with the region go through it and spot things that aren't apparent to a more general audience. Have addressed everything now, I hope. Kaiser matias (talk) 03:04, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

File:Tbilisi.ogg

Hi Kober, I "found" you through the sound file for Tbilisi you uploaded. As a native Georgian you know best how to pronounce your capital city. And that's my question: when I hear you, I am quite sure you pronounce it "Tvilisi" with V like Victor and not with B like Bob. But in the english Tbilisi lemma the IPA phonetic script is shown as [tʰbilisi]. Shouldn't it be [tʰvilisi], or didn't I hear your voice correctly? I would be thankful if you helped me. So long, --MedMan (talk) 20:55, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @MedMan:. It is [tʰbilisi]. The sound file may not be of good quality. Best regards,--Kober^Talk 15:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! --MedMan (talk) 00:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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Ambartsumian St in Tbilisi?

Hi! Can you please check if Tbilisi has a street named after Victor Ambartsumian? Thank you. ----Երևանցի ^talk 17:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Yerevantsi: I failed to locate Ambartsumian St. in the Tbilisi street directory. Best, --Kober^Talk 15:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! ----Երևանցի ^talk 15:44, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Need your insight

Per this edit[2], EternalJin has contended that Georgian figures can be found in Alexander Mikaberidze, Historical Dictionary of Georgia, 148-149. Needless to say, Mikaberidze makes no mention of Georgian troop figures at Aspindzapage 149.

Do you have any sourced figures for Aspindza? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Well, I just checked the book on Aspindza by Prof. Valerian Macharadze published in Georgian in 1957 (p. 68). This is the most comprehensive treatment of the subject ever published. According to Macharadze, various sources put the number of Turkish-Lesgian troops at 4,000 , 6,000 or 8,000. The latter figure is based on an account of Turkish POWs, who also reported that around 4,000 were killed and wounded. There were around 60 documented Turkish-Lesgian POWs. The Georgians had a 7,000-strong force, with 3 cannons, at the beginning of the campaign, but no more than 5,000 were reportedly available at Aspindza. Their Russian allies, 1,200 soldiers with 10-12 cannons, defected just before the battle. The Georgian casualties are described as "light" without going into details.--Kober^Talk 15:36, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much Kober!--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Kober, Georgian Orthodox Church was moved to a new name. Is it a correct one? Can you clarify? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.113.66.100 (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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Lede of this article

A certain user (conveniently logging out when its get too hot under his/her feat) has been trampling on the lede of this article.[3] Right now its unreadible, and packed with WP:UNDUE/POV. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:38, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't find it unreadable but it is more of a cherrypicked version of Georgia's political history rather than the ethnic history of Georgians which is not that good. The entire article, I would say, is in a deplorable condition. I'll surely get to that article one day, but not right now... --Kober^Talk 09:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Your assessment is more on point. Hope you and your family are doing well btw during this corona madness. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Thank you. Well, trying our best... Hope you are also doing fine. Keep it up and stay in good health.--Kober^Talk 19:35, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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ka:ბაგრატ თეიმურაზის ძე

გამარჯობა Kober. თქვენი უდიდესი პატივისცემით განწყობილი, როგორც ვიკიპედიაში ერთ-ერთი უდიდესი წვლილის შემტანი, არამარტო ქართულ ვიკიპედიაში, მიმაჩნია რომ უსამართლოდ ვიბლოკები, ამჯერად 3 თვით. მოგახსენებთ ka:ბაგრატ თეიმურაზის ძე შევქმენი და დაიწერა უკატეგორიო. გარკვეულწილად მცირე შესწორებები შევიტანე, მაგრამ დავიბლოკე ისევ, მიზეზი არასწორი ინფორმაციის შეტანა, არადა მივუთითე წყარო და ვერ გავიგე თუ რატომ მედება ბლოკი. ჩემთვის აუხსნელია. კი ბატონო, რაიმე შეცდომა დავუშვი, მითხარი და ვთანხმდები ან/და დახმარება გამიწიე, მაგრამ ასე ერთი ხელის მოსმით. ვიმეორებ წყაროები მითითებულია აღნიშნულ გვერდზე. დიდად დავალებული დაგრძებით თუ ჩემს თხოვნას ბლოკირების ვადის შემცირებასთან დაკავშირებით, ზემდგომს აუხსნით, მე ვერ ვწერ. პატივისცემით: Lasha-george

გამარჯობა და მადლობა კომპლიმენტისთვის. ზოგადად ვიკიპედიას თავისი წესები აქვს. ამ წესების იგნორირება იწვევს სტატიების ხარისხში არაერთგვაროვნებას (არ ვამბობ, რომ თქვენი სტატია უხარისხოა, ზოგადად ვამბობ), რაც სხვა რედაქტორებს საქმეს უძნელებს: ყოველთვის ძნელია სხვისი შემოტანილი სტატიის გასწორება და სტანდარტიზაცია. ამიტომ გთხოვთ, რომ მიჰყვეთ იმ წესებს, რაზეც ყველა ერთად ვართ შეთანხმებული. ბლოკის მოხსნაზე შეგიძლიათ საკუთარ გვერდზე გააკეთოთ მიმართვა და მას აუცილებლად განიხილავენ. პატივისცემით, --Kober^Talk 07:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for letting me know. Cheers, --Kober^Talk 15:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Sergo Ordzhonikidze

Hi there, I'm sorry to do this again, but I've got the Sergo Ordzhonikidze article at FAC, and I'm afraid it may be archived unless it gets some more attention soon. As you are one of the few editors I know who actively works on Georgian-related topics (and does so strongly, I might add), I was wondering if you would be interested in giving some comments. I realize most of his career was outside Georgia, but anything you can add would be highly appreciated. And if not, that is certainly fine as well, I totally understand. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kaiser matias: Hello! Thanks for letting me know. Good job on the article. I will definitely look into it in the next few days. Cheers, --Kober^Talk 18:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Just to let you know I replied to your email message. Kaiser matias (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Georgians

Greetings Kober! Gamarjoba! I'd like to ask you if can to share your ideas or thoughts at the talk page. It is concerning the statistical data of the number of Georgians in the country and abroad. I'd appreciate your feedback. Thank you. Gratefully. An emperor /// Ave 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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George V the Brilliant

Greetings Kober! Just found this posted as fresco of the king. Do you happen to have any information if this is truly his fresco and where is it originally depicted? Thanks. Gratefully. An emperor /// Ave 08:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@Emperor of Emperors: hi. I have some doubts that it really represents George V. I will try to do some research into it in the coming days. Best regards, --Kober^Talk 15:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Kober! Gratefully. An emperor /// Ave 15:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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დიდი მადლობა. :) --Kober^Talk 15:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Request for review

Hello Kober, could you review these new articles (Georgia–South Ossetia border & Abkhazia–Georgia border) about Georgia and its Russian-occupied territories? It is not quite clear to me if their title and content is acceptable or NPOV (I think calling these regions equal to Georgia is not NPOV). Since you are more experienced editor of the topics regarding Georgia, I am asking for your review. Thank you in advance.--Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ★ 15:51, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Missing cites in David IV of Georgia

The article cites five short references (I tagged them with {{full citation needed}}) that I could not find or identify the works for. Can you please add the full citation? Thank you, Renata (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

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Family Jaqeli

Hello User:Kober. I have a doubt with a member of this family. The character is Qvarqvare II Jaqeli. I say that because some articles mention that he was Bagrat I of Imereti’s father-in-law. But, it happened in the 14th century. On the other hand, the article about Qvarqvare II says that he was born in the 15th century. I thought that Qvarqvare I Jaqeli was Bagrat I’s father-in-law, but the article about him doesn’t mention if he had a female child. Could you explain me this, please? Kardam (talk) 23:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Кардам: Hi. I'm afraid I cannot comment on this without reexamining the Jaqeli genealogy, which I'll try to do in the nearest possible future.--Kober^Talk 20:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

The "Vakhtang" seal (British Museum)

Hi Kober, hope you're doing well. Am I right in saying that this stamp seal[5] does not refer to Vakhtang I of Iberia? If it actually does, it would fit good in several articles. This is what the British Museum tells:

"The Middle Persian inscription gives a personal name, initially read as Vartanake but more recently as Vaxtang which is also attested in Georgian and was that of a famous K'art'velian king whose biography survives as "The Life of Vaxtang": this particular seal belongs to a private individual rather than ruler however".

In the caption you added on Commons it states that it is "sometimes" identified with Vakhtang I.[6] Would be grateful if you could shed light on this. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Hello. An attempt to identify the person depicted on the seal with Vakhtang has been made, but it is almost impossible to prove it. This is just a conjecture. If I am allowed to be POVish here, on my talk page, I consider that a wishful thinking. --Kober^Talk 20:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Greetings

Greetings and salutations my dear friend Kober! Your contribution to the Georgia related articles on Wikipedia is immense and any praise would be insufficient to convey the magnitude of your work. I dont have enough words to express my sincere gratitude for your stern dedication and brilliance of pen! Not only are your artiles numerous in number, encompassing every aspect of Georgian life, history, tradition and culture but also written with eloquence and academic standard which would make any Oxford Uni scholar envy. You have done a great service to your country in expanding our knowledge, understanding, insight and creating an abundance of discovery in every field. Kober my fiend you have done more than any past or current Georgian scholar of history, linguistics, political science, conflictology, international relations, culture and gave our children the gift of knowledge. The greatest gift one can give to their children and country. Iberieli (talk) 22:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Please feel free to join User:Iberieli/sandbox and add info if your time allows :) Iberieli (talk) 13:21, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Iberieli. Thanks for your kind words. I do appreciate your comment, although I think you are overestimating my role. :) :) I have not been very active recently, leaving me disappointed in the lack of interest our compatriots take in English Wikipedia. This project is a team work, if anything. Your article on Erosi is an excellent piece. I'm glad that you're back with your unsurpassed writing skills. Keep it up!--Kober^Talk 05:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

ვიკიპედიაში აფსუა სეპარატისტების საგანგებო და სრულუფლებიანი ელჩი არ ისვენებს მოკლედ. ეს კაცი ნაღდად ხელფასზე ყავთ დედა რუსეთში. [[7]]. Iberieli (talk) 13:19, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Kober, I saw your name repeatedly, in the past, as I had contributed here and there to English language entries on Wikipedia, on a very modest scale that you created or contributed to -- and now tried some search skills with Userviews. 36 million views for the 1500 entries you created!

This truly is a major achievement. (I am trying to convince my university in Tbilisi that they take Wikipedia more seriously, let's see how far I get...)

Thank you again for all you have done! Hundnase (talk) 12:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. Really appreciated. --Kober^Talk 09:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

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გამარჯობათ Kober! გულახდილად გეტყვი, მართლა შესანიშნავად მუშაობთ. მე ვიტყოდი სრულყოფილად. თქენთან კითხვა მაქვს, უსასრულო ბლოკირებასთან დაკავშირებით, რომელიც მე მივიღე, მე ვფიქრობ უსამართლოდ (თქვენ შესაძლებელია სხვაგვარად ფიქრობდეთ, თუმცა გარწმუნებთ და აქ აღარ დავკონკრეტდები თუ თქვენ არ შემეკითხეთ თუ რატომ დავიბლოკე. ყოველშემთხვევაში უსასრულოდ ბლოკირება ნამდვილად არ დამიმსახურებია), უსასრულო ინგლისურშიც მქონდა რედაქტირების ომის გამო, მაგრამ მომეხსნა. ქართულში ადმინისტრატორებმა არ მიპასუხეს იმის შესახებ უსასრულობა – უსასრულობას ნიშნავს თუ შესაძლებელია გარკვეული პერიოდის გასვლის შემდეგ რაიმე შეიცვალოს, ხომ არ გაქვთ პასუხი ამის შესახებ? მადლობთ წინასწარ.--Lasha-george (talk) 11:24, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

გამარჯობა. მადლობა კომპლიმენტისთვის. უსასროლო უაპელაციოს არ ნიშნავს რამდენადაც ვხვდები. შესაძლებელია, რომ თქვენს გვერდზე მოითხოვოთ თქვენი შემთხვევის გადახედვა და სანქციის შეცვლა. როგორც წესი ადმინისტრატორები ამას პასუხობენ. რა გადაწყვეტილებას მიიღებენ, რთული სათქმელია, მაგრამ ვფიქრობ განსახილველად უნდა მიიღონ. --Kober^Talk 15:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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Greetings,

Came across your recent edit to article related to Georgia (country). I was looking for some proactive help in a chronological merging

Coastal and port cities on Black Sea coast (list) (to create an interactive map further for the article) from some one who is acquaint/ interested in Black Sea region. Pl. visit the section list and help out if you find interested.

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Armeno-Georgian War

Hello Kober, would you potentially be interested in helping out with Georgian, preferably academic sources on that topic ? TheMightyGeneral (talk) 13:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@TheMightyGeneral: hello. Unfortunately, I cannot get involved in the actual discussion due to the current constraints of real life, but I can help with the sources. You can use international authors such as F. Kazemzadeh, The Struggle for Transcaucasia (Oxford, 1951) and D. M. Lang, A Modern History of Georgia (New York, 1962). If you need them, just drop me a line.

As for Georgian authors, the best (and pretty balanced) treatment of political aspects of the Armeno-Georgian conflict is სახელმწიფოებრივი საზღვრების საკითხი საქართველო-სომხეთის ურთიერთობაში: 1917-1921 წ.წ / ნინო ვაშაყმაძე. ქუთაისი, 2002. Unfortunately I don't have it at hand right now. Military details are best covered in the oft-cited dissertation by Archil Chachkhiani, which you can find here. You can also refer to this article by Prof. Mamatsashvili. Besides, there is a succinct treatment of the war in the encyclopedic საქართველოს დემოკრატიული რესპუბლიკა (1918-1921) : ენციკლოპედია-ლექსიკონი / ავტორ-შემდგენელთა ჯგუფი: თამარ ათანელიშვილი, გიორგი ასტამაძე, მიხეილ ბახტაძე [და სხვ.] ; მთ. რედაქტორი დიმიტრი შველიძე ; ივანე ჯავახიშვილის სახ. თბილისის სახელმწ. უნ-ტი. საგამომცემლო ცნობები თბილისი : თბილ. უნ-ტის გამ-ბა, 2018. The book is available online and that specific entry can be found on pp. 404-405. Hope this helps, --Kober^Talk 07:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Kober: thank you. Yeah I would ask for the Kazemzadeh and Lang ones too if that's okay with you, really any additional third party source will help. I appreciate the suggested Georgian ones. Do those meet WP:RS conditions ? thank you very much for the timely response. I would also mention your contribution on assisting with sources, unless you don't wish to. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 11:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@TheMightyGeneral: You are welcome. Obviously, they are WP:RS. All these are academic publications by well-known authors and/or institutions. As for Kazemzadeh and Lang, please email me so as I could share them with you. I don't have any problem with my help being mentioned. I would, in fact, appreciate that. And I will join the discussion as time and energy permit. --Kober^Talk 12:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Kober: very well, I sent a mail. I will definitely mention you then. Your contribution would be very appreciated Kober, but naturaly real life takes priority. I understand that. Take care. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 12:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Kober: Excellent, this will definitely help. Thank you very much Kober. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 13:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome. Cheers, --Kober^Talk 13:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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გიორგი V ბრწყინვალე/ George V of Georgia

გამარჯობათ პატივცემულო Kober! სასიამოვნოა ასევე ინგლისურენოვან ვიკიპედიაში თქვენი ხილვა. მე მინდოდა თქვენთვის შემომეთავაზებინა როგორც გიორგი V ბრწყინვალეს ქართულ გვერდზე განთავსებული სურათის ატვირთვა, ისე ახალციხეში გახსნილი გიორგი ბრწყინვალის ძეგლის ატვირთვა რომ მოხდეს თქვენი მხრიდან თუ შესაძლებელია? წინასწარ დიდი მადლობა. დანარჩენი საიტის გვერდზე წერია თუ ვინაა მოქანდაკე და პარამეტრები. იცით, თქვენ, როგორც გამოცდილ მომხმარებელს გთხოვთ თუ რამდენად მიზანშეწონილია აღნიშნული სურათების როგორც ქართულ, ისე ინგლისურენოვან ვიკიპედიის შესაბამის გვერდებზე ატვირთვა? ძალიან კარგი კი იქნებოდა თუ შესაძლებელია. იქნებ გააკეთოთ ეს სიკეთე?--Lasha-george (talk) 09:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Lasha-george: გამარჯობა! დიდი სიამოვნებით გამოვიყენებდით თქვენს მიერ მითითებულ სურათებს, მაგრამ, სამწუხაროდ, ვიკიპედიას ძალიან მკაცრი პოლიტიკა აქვს საავტორო უფლებებთან დაკავშირებით. ქანდაკებაც და მეფის ფერწერული პორტრეტიც თანამედროვე ხელოვნების ნიმუშებია, მათი ავტორები ცოცხლები არიან და, შესაბამისად, ამ ნამუშევრებზე ვრცელდება საავტორო უფლებები. ამიტომ ვიკიპედიაში მათი ატვირთვა და გამოყენება შეუძლებელია. --Kober^Talk 15:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

გასაგებია Kober, მადლობა. იმედია ამ დიდებული მეფის სურათი ოდესმე აიტვირთება შესაბამისი უფლებების დაცვით.--Lasha-george (talk) 16:08, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Ashot II of Tao

კობერ სალამი. აშოტ II-ის სურათზე მინდა გკითხო. კომონსის შენიშვნაში უწერია, რომ აშოტ I-ა და შესაბამისად არ უნდა იდოს აღნიშნულ გვერდზე. ვგონებ ამოსაღებია. თქვენ როგორ ფიქრობთ?--Lasha-george (talk) 08:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

გამარჯობა. ზოგადად საკამათო საკითხია რომელი აშოტია გამოსახული ამ ბარელიეფზე. თუ სწორად მახსოვს, ვახტანგ ჯობაძის აზრია, რომ ესაა აშოტ II. --Kober^Talk 17:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

გმადლობთ კობერ, საინტერესოა, იხ კვირის პალიტრის 2017 წლის 14 დეკემბრის სტატია: აშოტ II კურაპალატის თაობაზე წარწერა ტაოში აღმოაჩინეს... ოპიზის მონასტრის სახელგანთქმულ ქტიტორულ რელიეფზე გამოსახული ისტორიული პირი - კურაპალატი აშოტ II, როგორც წიკიპედიაში ატვირთულ ფოტოს აწერია: Left half of a bas-relief from Opiza in Klarjeti, purportedly depicting Ashot II (now on display at the Art Museum of Georgia). გამოდის, რომ არა აშოტ I დიდი, არამედ აშოტ კურაპალატი ყოფილა!--Lasha-george (talk) 16:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

[Category:Ashot I of Iberia]-ში გასამიჯნია მაშინ სურათები...--Lasha-george (talk) 16:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

იხ. Claim of the biblical descent of the Bagrationi dynasty-ის ტექსტი: A more recent interpretation by the likes as Nodar Shoshiashvili and Wachtang Djobadze, however, suggests identification of the persons in question as a later curopalates Ashot (died 954) and this Ashot's elder brother David (died 937). ქართულად: ნოდარ შოშიაშვილის და ვახტანგ ჯობაძის მიერ უახლესი ინტერპრეტაცით, გამოითქვა ვარაუდი, რომ განხილული პირები იდენტიფიცირდნენ უფრო გვიანდელ აშოტ კურაპალატთან (გ. 954) და მის უფროს ძმასთან, დავითთან (გ. 937). საინტერესოა, რატომ არ მოხდა ამ დრომდე აშოტ I-ისა და აშოტ კურაპალატის ერთმანეთისგან გამოჯვნა ფოტოებით?--Lasha-george (talk) 16:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

ვერ ვხვდები რას ნიშნავს ფოტოებით გამიჯვნა. Claim of the biblical descent of the Bagrationi dynasty ჩემი დაწერილი სტატიაა, მაგრამ ეს არ ამტკიცებს მაინცდამაინც იმას, რომ ოპიზის რელიეფზე აშოტ II-ია გამოსახული და ეს ვერსია საბოლოოდაა დამკვიდრებული. ჯობაძის ინტერპრეტაცია ალბათ სწორია, მაგრამ ოპიზის ქტიტორის "აშოტ დიდობა" ჯერ საბოლოოდ და ცალსახად უარყოფილი არაა. არ არსებობს ამ საკითხზე კონსენსუსი.--Kober^Talk 05:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

გასაგებია Kober, მადლობა. თუ ეს "ვარაუდია" და არ არსებობს ამ საკითხზე კონსენსუსი, ამ შემთხვევაში ყველაფერი გასაგებია.

P.S. ისე, აშოტ II, მეფეთა რიგის მიხედვითაა და იწერება როგორც აშოტ II (IV), ტაო-კლარჯეთის ბაგრატიონების გენეალოგიის შესაბამისად (იხ. აშოტი).--Lasha-george (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

გიორგი V ბრწყინვალე

მაგრამ მინდა თქვენი ყურადღება ერთ საჭირბოროტო საკითხზე შევაჩერო. თქვენთან მიხდება მხოლოდ კონტაქტი, ვინაიდან ქართულ ვიკიპედიაში უსასრულო ბლოკირებით ვარ "დასაჩუქრებული". საქმე იმაშია, რომ მხატვარი გიორგი გეგეჭკორი გიორგი V ბრწყინვალის და სხვა მეფეთა სურათების ატვირთვა სავსებით ლეგიტიმური შეიძლება იყოს გიორგი გეგეჭკორის გარდაცვალების შემდეგ, მაგრამ მხატვარი ჯერ ცოცხალია. სამწუხაროთ, გიორგი V ბრწყინვალის ძეგლის ფოტო ჯერ არ არსებობს ქართულ ვიკიპედიაში. ვგონებ შესაძლებელია პანორამული ფოტოს განთავსება. რათქმაუნდა არავის ვავალდებულებ ამის გაკეთებას. უბრალოდ ვამბობ, რომ სასურველი იქნებოდა... ეს ალბათ შესანიშნავი იქნებოდა, მაგრამ უმჯობესია სარელეო ხაზები არ გამოჩენილოყო .--Lasha-george (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

ადარნასე II თუ სტეფანოზ II

სალამი კობერ. ერთი რა მინდა გკითხო თუ ხარ ინფორმირებული... მოგეხსენება ფაილი:Mcheta Monastery of Cross bas-relief შენს მიერაა ატვირთული. არსებობს ასევე ფაილი:096 Monastère de Djvari Sculpture au-dessus d'une vitre dominant le portail d'entrée, რომლის ავტორია Moreau.henri. საქმე ისაა, რომ ეს ორივე სურათი ცელ-ცალკე ატვირთულია ადარნასე II-ის (ნერსე I) და ჯვრის მონასტრის (იხ. Architecture-ს სექციის მეოთხე სურათი: Stepanoz II in front of the Christ. Southern façade) გვერდებზე. მაინტერესებს თუ გაქვთ ინფორმაცია თუ ვინ არის ეს პიროვნება?--Lasha-george (talk) 14:23, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

P.S. ფაილი:Adarnase praying before Jesus Christ - Jvari Monastery bas relief ასევე შენი ატვირთულია და აქ მინიშნებულია, რომ აღნიშნული პიროვნება არის ადარნასე II (ნერსე I) და არა სტეფანოზ II, როგორც ჯვრის მონასტრის სტატიაშია მოხსენიებული (იხ. Architecture-ს სექციის მეოთხე სურათი: Stepanoz II in front of the Christ. Southern façade)). გამოდის, რომ ეს პიროვნება არის ადარნასე II (ქართ. ნერსე I)?--Lasha-george (talk) 14:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

ჯვრის მონასტრის სტატიაშია მოხსენიებული სტეფანოზ II, შევცვალე შენივე ატვირთული ადარნასე II-ით (ნერსე I).--Lasha-george (talk) 09:11, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

ადარნასე I ყოფილა და არა ადარნასე II (ნერსე I). ეს უკანასკნელი ატენის სიონის ერთ-ერთი ქტიტორთაგანია და ჯვრის მონასტერთან ვერანაირად ვერ დაკავშირდება. ყოველ შემთხვევაში საფუძველს მოკლებულია ნერსეს ჯვრის მონასტერთან დაკავშირება შესაბამისი წყაროების გარეშე.--Lasha-george (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Brent Renaud

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Ibrahim Bey (Mamluk)

Noticed something interesting. For almost a decade, user "Roksanna"[8] and their sock account "Roxanna"[9]-[10] are trying to downplay the Georgian origins of Ibrahim Bey (Mamluk). Although high-quality Western sources such as EI3 and Alexander Mikaberidze state that Ibrahim Bey was of Georgian origins, said user vehemently insists on labeling such sources as "Georgian sources". Said user also tries to add outdated sources to the article, as part of their campaign to "nullify" the authenticity of the Georgian RS claim. If this user reverts again, they should be reported to ANI for long-term WP:TENDENTIOUS editing. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Left a few more sources on the article's talk page.[11] - LouisAragon (talk) 22:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Kober^Talk 18:06, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

დახმარება

გამარჯობა, თუ შეგიძლია აქ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Persistent_WP%3ATENDENTIOUS_editing_by_user%3AGiorgi_Mechurchle წამეხმარე, ირანელი იუზერები დამესივნენ, შეგნებულად ასპარსულებენ/ამუსლიმებენ ქართველი მეფეებისა და თავადებს სახელებს, მათ შორის იმათაც, რომლებიც არასდროს გამუსლიმებულან. შეგნებულად წერენ ხანს ან მმართველს, მაგრამ არა მეფეს, იმის მიუხედავად, რომ თვით ყველაზე პროსეფიანი მმართველიც კი ოფიციალურ ტიტულატურაში მეფის წოდებას ატარებდა, ვალისთან ერთად. აღმოსავლეთ საქართველოს კი სეფიანთა პროვინციად წარმოაჩენენ (ასეთ ადმ.-ტერიტორიულ ერთეულს არასდროს უარსებია. ამავდროულად, იქაც იმ ასპექტებზე ამახვილებენ ყურადღებას, რომლებიც მათ აწყობთ, ომებზე, დაპირისპირებაზე და ა.შ. კი არასდროს ან დამახინჯებულად). გარდა ამისა, აყალბებენ ბიოგრაფიებს (თეიმურაზ პირველი, ლუარსაბ მეორე და ა.შ) იგონებენ არარსებულ ფაქტებს და სხვ. --Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 01:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

ასევე, თუკი არიან სხვა ქართველი ვიკიპედიელები, ვისაც შეუძლია ჩართვა, კარგი იქნება ისინიც თუ 1-2 წინადადებას დაწერენ, ეგენი 4-5 არიან.--Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 01:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Status of Georgian principalities/kingdoms

Hi Kober, I hope you're doing well. I'm currently making a map of the Caucasus between the years 1791-1801, but I lack WP:RS regarding Mingrelia, Imeretia, Guria and Svanetia. You don't happen to possess some WP:RS that describes their status during this period? Were they still under Ottoman suzerainty, perhaps just de jure and/or de facto? Or were they fully independent? Thanks in advance. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Imeretia, Mingrelia, Guria, and Abkhazia were de jure Ottoman tributaries. The case of Svanetia is more complicated. By that time it was a politically fragmented region, but neither part of it owned any formal allegiance to the Ottomans. The relations between the Ottoman Empire and western Georgian polities is well described, eg., in Abou-El-Ha, Rifaʻat Ali (1984). The 1703 rebellion and the structure of Ottoman politics. Leiden: Nederlands Historisch-Archaeologisch Instituut te Istanbul. pp. 115–117. This article relates the earlier events and the de facto situation had changed on the ground since then, but de jure everything remained more or less the same. You can also consult this map from ARMENIA: A HISTORICAL ATLAS. Robert H. Hewsen (Chicago, 2001) and this Russian map, the source of which is unclear, but I suspect it is from a Soviet-era historical atlas. Kober^Talk 06:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I see, thank you very much! --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

სტატიის სახელი

გამარჯობა, გთხოვთ შეცვალოთ შემდეგი სტატიის სახელი: Salomea Andronikova და გადააკეთოთ Salomea Andronikashvili-დ Gvantsa 21. (talk) 20:49, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

გამარჯობა. ამის საჭიროება არაა, რადგან თავად ეს პიროვნება თავს ასე მოიხსენიებდა და ყველა ასე იცნობდა. არ ვფიქრობ, რომ გვარების გადაკეთება ჩვენი გემოვნების, ეთნიკური კუთვნილების ან ისტორიული თუ პოლიტიკური კორექტულობის მიხედვით სწორი იყოს. --Kober^Talk 05:54, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Help?

You seem to be one of the few editors working on Georgia and obviously from your contributions and talk page speak Georgian. In that regard, I have been working for some weeks on an article for Varia Kipiani, which is still in draft. It took a lot of work to figure out the museum she worked with in the 1910s, but I believe that is now sufficiently documented. I am still struggling with verifying the Italian monastery she was involved in establishing. Though I have searched records for Mikheil Tarkhnishvili, I find nothing in his records that indicates what this might be (or even verify his involvement in such a scheme). I then thought that it might be a confusion with Ekvtime Takaishvili and his protection of Georgian cultural treasures, but I find no affiliation between him and Rome. Almost all of the sources in Georgian about Kipiani mention this archive, but I am hesitant to include it in the biography without being able to confirm that the event actually took place. Would you be able to look at the article and sources and perhaps identify what monastery they are speaking of? Any help would be appreciated. SusunW (talk) 23:17, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@SusunW: Hello. I did some research and found a couple of sources on Michael Tachnishvili's design to establish a Georgian convent in Rome. It appears that Michael Tachnishvili (a transliteration that is far more common than the technically correct Mikheil Tarkhnishvili), a Rome-based Georgian Catholic priest and scholar, wanted to establish a Georgian Catholic college in Rome and turn it into a center of Georgian studies. During WW2, Georgian emigres associated with German intelligence approached him and helped him buy a villa on the Via Alessandro Brisse in the Monteverde Nuovo neighborhood for his planned institution. Germany apparently wanted to make the Georgian establishment a clandestine base for their spies in Vatican. When Tarchnishvili realized that, he refused to cooperate and the project eventually failed. Details can be found here and here. As for Kipiani, her only full-text Georgian biography available online says that she donated money and library to the Georgian convent/college in Rome, but its wording is rather vague and mentions the Georgian convent as if it was a functioning establishment, which is not true. The Georgian Soviet Encyclopedia—notwithstanding its inherent bias against Georgian emigres and political exiles—just reports that Kipiani donated the Murat family assets and their archive to Michael Tarchnishvili. To summarize, it appears that Tachnishvili was collecting money, documents, books, and artworks for his planned Georgian religious and cultural institution in Rome and Kipiani was one of those who came to support him. Hope this helps.--Kober^Talk 13:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

That helps a lot. Thank you so very much, I truly appreciate the help. It's been slow going trying to build this with sources in so many languages, (which I don't speak) but worth it I think to have a fairly complete biography. Would that I could find her death certificate or an actual death date, but I think that is not going to happen at this point. I am sure I would never have found those sources, so I am so glad that you were willing to help. It takes a village. SusunW (talk) 14:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I have finished, except for working out the lede image. If you note anything that I improperly translated or transliterated, or any information which might need clarification or is in error, please let me know, or just fix it . Thank you so much for your help in sorting out the Italian connection. SusunW (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

You are welcome and kudos for your excellent work! --Kober^Talk 18:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I've wanted to write about her since I wrote Joteyko's article 3 years ago, but there just was so little biographical information digitized. When I finally discovered the Georgian sources that called her Barbare, I decided I would finally dive in. It was a joy to learn about her. SusunW (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm back. I found one more source, but I can't run it through a translator. If it were read-only, I could unlock that, but this allows you to copy but then pastes as for example: "gamo barbare erTxans garicxuli iyo universitetidan, rasac is, bunebrivia, Zalian ganicdida", i.e. pure gobbledegoop. My research tells me that Aneuli is a literary magazine, so I am wondering if the text contains something about her that I have not previously run across. The article starts on p 9 or 13 in the pdf numbering. It's kind of long to translate, but would you be willing to do that or compare what it says to the article I've written and add anything that is missing? Again, I appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 15:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, the problem with the text is that it uses a non-standard Georgian font known as AcadNusx. I looked through it and failed to find anything of importance that you have not included in your article except, probably, for the date of her death or, rather, the lack of clarity regarding it. The article says that while we know that Kipiani spend her last years in Belgium, neither the exact year of her death nor her resting place is known. The literary historian Vasil Chachanidze reported in 1974 that Kipiani died around 1965, but Rusudan Kobakhidze, director of the Museum of Georgian Emigration, recently proposed 1950 as the likely year of Kipiani's death. As of now, the problem remains unresolved, — the article concludes.

Which explains why it made no sense to translation machines. That is helpful and significant, I think. Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 16:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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გამარჯობა Kober, მცირე დახმარება მჭირდება შენგან და შეგიძლია ამიხსნა როგორ უნდა ვუჩოვლო ადმინისტრატორთან ერთ იუზერს? დიაოხში პრობლემაა მუდმივი ვანდალიზმის და თან ადმინისტრატორს დაცვით მიმართა ვანდალმა, რომელიც არანაირ დისკუსიაში არ შედის არც განხილვის გვერდზე და არც სხვაგან. Uchagagnidze24 (talk) 09:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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Tsanars

Hello Kober! How you doing? When you have time, please take a look at Tsanars and give your insight. Also, could you please provide me these two sources so that I could furthermore improve the article?

• Minorsky, Vladimir; Bosworth, Clifford Edmund (1986). "al-Kurd̲j̲". In Bearman, P.; Bianquis, Th.; Bosworth, C.E.; Donzel, E. van; Heinrichs, W.P. (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam (2nd ed.). Leiden: Brill. pp. 487–497. ISBN 9004078193.
• Toumanoff, Cyril (1963). Studies in Christian Caucasian history. Washington: Georgetown University Press.

Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:42, 27 October 2023 (UTC).

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Persian and Georgian-Persian documents

Hey Kober, long time no speak, hope all is well. Do you by any chance have access to images of Persian and bilingual Georgian-Persian documents issued by the Georgian valis/kings of the Safavid period? And of the Safavid appointed governors of Kakheti/Kartli? Best, - LouisAragon (talk) 17:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: good to hear from you! I'm fine. I hope you are also doing well. The documents of your interest were compiled and published a few years ago but, unfortunately, I do not currently have access to that project. Some are, however, available here and here. --Kober^Talk 18:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm doing well, thanks! Just much more busy nowadays. Besides the chilly January wind, no complaints on my end though. Good to know you're doing fine too.

Wow, thanks a bunch for the link. That's a fantastic list of documents I haven't come across yet. Looks like some are already on Commons, but I'll make sure to upload the rest in the next few days. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Btw, I observed that the initial link lacks additional details regarding the content of the letters. Is my understanding correct? Could you possibly obtain additional information on those listed documents? - LouisAragon (talk) 02:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I will try my best as time permits. Kober^Talk 20:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, no hurry. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@LouisAragon:, I hope you doing well. I just thought you might be interested in this book on Safavid era Georgian documents, which is available in German.--Kober^Talk 11:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey Kober, thank you for your message. Besides a bit of coughing (seems like everyone's dealing with that at the moment, right?), I can't complain too much. Hope you're doing well too.

Nice, that book will definitely be useful. Much appreciated! If you find more info/images, please don't hesitate to let me know. :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 14:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

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WikiProject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Eteriani, would you be interested in a taskforce on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 11:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Family of Prince Alexander of Georgia

Dear Kober and LouisAragon,

@LouisAragon:

Hope you are doing well.

In the family section of Prince Alexander of Georgia, his daughter is listed as Yelizaveta (1811– 1836), the second wife of Samson-Khan. According to reference L. Agniashvili "Persia and Georgians there", volume, 1896, p. 57, the Russian inscription of Yelizaveta's tomb refers to her as the daughter of "Tsarevich of Georgia Alexander of the Greek Catholic faith". We know Prince Alexander of Georgia was of the Georgian Orthodox Church, not the Greek Catholic faith.

It seems to me that Yelizaveta, was probably the daughter of another Prince Alexander. Also, the last name batonishvili was not written on Yelizaveta's tomb.

Agniashvili was looking for the grave of Prince Alexander batonishvili, so it is possible that he was misinformed, thus he had mistaken the two princes.

Agniashvili visited Yelizaveta's tomb in Tehran sometime around 1896, i.e. almost 60 years after Yelizaveta's death, so things can get forgotten and mixed up.

I suggest that someone takes a closer look at this one, and possibly remove Yelizaveta from the list of Prince Alexander's children.

Kind Regards, PrinceTehran (talk) 13:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Request writing about Isabelle de Charrière (Q123386)

Hello Kober, Would you like to write about Isabelle de Charrière (Q123386) for the KA Wikipedia? It would be appreciated if it would be done. Boss-well63 (talk) 12:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hey Kober, long time no speak, hope all is well. How in Tbilisi. Can you help her. --geagea^Talk 22:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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