Talk:Orthodox Church of the Gauls

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Source for excommunication from Coptic Orthodox Church

A blog post includes text purportedly written by Abba Markos, Metropolitan of the French Coptic Orthodox Church, that informs about a notice of excommunication by Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria of seven priests and their adherents from the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria.

According to the blog author, for continued use of the rite of Gaul ("le rite des Gaules") after request to stop celebrating a Western rite not recognized by the Coptic Patriarchate of Alexandria.

The French language blog post fits the narrative already included in the article but needs a better source to meet WP:BLP. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 00:20, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bois-Aubry location

According to fr:Abbaye royale Saint-Michel de Bois-Aubry on the French Wikipedia the group associated with the Orthodox Church of the Gauls occupied the property until 2006. The abbayedeboisaubry.fr site states that the "SCI de l'Eglise Orthodoxe de France" and "l'Association Cultuelle Catholique et Orthodoxe de l’Abbaye Saint-Michel et St Martin" aquired the property in 1978. And the current owner acquired the abbey property in September 2006. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 01:07, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm aware, all of the above is true but this doesn't seem in any way pertinent to the article. The Monastery of St Michael & St Martin still exists, even though it no longer owns the physical property known as "l'Abbaye royale Saint-Michel de Bois-Aubry". The monastery is, in fact, in buildings directly across the street. I do not know what the arrangement is that permits their continued use of the buildings but as it doesn't seem relevant to the article I have removed the references to ownership of the property. Bertelin (talk) 18:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bertelin: of course it is pertinent because they left in 2006 – 10 years ago. They moved across the street but still identify with property they neither own nor occupy. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 21:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response, @BoBoMisiu:. Thank you, as well, for your help in bringing this article up to a food standard. It seems that they have taken the name as the name of their own monastery. Therefore, regardless of their location, or who owns the property that they use, the name of their monastery is unaffected. The fact that they once owned the historic Abbaye might be an interesting fact to mention, but it seems not a primary part of their current identity and ought not to feature so prominently, if at all. What do you think?Bertelin (talk) 21:53, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited this section so that it includes a reference to the community's previous ownership of the historic buildings without making this a primary part of their identification. I hope that this compromise proves helpful. Bertelin (talk) 22:34, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bertelin: I prefer the term organized over formed in the lede because ÉOG is, according to the online court registrar of the Tribunaux de commerce, an association déclarée that received a SIREN number (a French business identification number) in November 2006 – that is when it became a registered French business.[1] The term formed is less precise than organized or registered.

I prefer "is splinter group separated from" over "has its origins in" because ÉOG is a schism or separation from ÉOF and not a constituent part of ÉOF.

I also think the lede should have a footnote to distinguish between the landmark Abbaye royale Saint-Michel de Bois-Aubry [fr] and the ÉOG monastery, i.e. "Abbaye Saint Michel et Saint Martin", across the street. It is quite obvious from this photo (on eglise-orthodoxe.eu) depicting the landmark Abbaye royale Saint-Michel de Bois-Aubry that two are being confused – the title includes "Abbaye de Bois-Aubry". See this page (on eglise-orthodoxe.eu) for how "Abbaye Saint Michel et Saint Martin" and "Abbaye de Bois-Aubry" are arranged in the address on that page. A Google search for "Abbaye de Bois-Aubry" shows results for the landmark Abbaye royale Saint-Michel de Bois-Aubry. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Priestly Fraternity of Ss Cyril and Methodius"

I can find no reference to this at all on Google, except to this article or versions thereof. --142.163.195.86 (talk) 16:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]