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Your submission at Articles for creation: Chumbahway (September 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:46, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Chumbahway! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:46, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Chumbahway

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Chumbahway, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because your account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Also, your username gives the impression that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

If you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization, you may request unblock and a username change. In your reasons, you must:

Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the paid-contribution disclosure requirement.
Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked.
Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.
Provide a new username.

To do this, post the text {{unblock-spamun|Your proposed new username|Your reason here}} at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked.

Please note that the new username you choose cannot already be taken and in use by another account. You can go here to search and see if the username you'd like to choose is available. If the search returns that no global account with that username exists, that means it is available to be taken.

Appeals: If, after reviewing the guide to appealing blocks, you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal it by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your reason here" with the reasons you believe the block was an error, and publish the page.

Deb (talk) 06:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Chumbahway (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The reason we want a basic wikipedia entry is because digital radio platforms populate their artist biographies and cover art by sourcing it automatically from online entities such as wikipedia, musicbrainz and songfacts. We have been (basically ordered) told by digital radio media to create a wikipedia entry because that is where they link to, to find information about artists. I have no desire to use wikipedia as a personal promotional platform. I only wish to create the most basic entry that will facilitate the populating of information regarding us on digital radio platforms. We are not receiving compensation for our contribution. I understand why we were blocked. I'm learning here as I go. I am aware that we are not "notable" as yet. But since our recent release we have been picked up by 2 major Australian children's radio platforms and one in the US, and have been selected by an international airline to be included as inflight entertainment, throughout November. I will create a new user name - Robby Waratah. Thank you for your patience and apologies for getting it wrong the first time. Chumbahway (talk) 06:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Please propose a new username as the instructions provide(use the first template described, not the second that you used here); it makes the rename process easier. We don't have "basic wikipedia entries" to facilitate your efforts to get on digital radio platforms(you are hardly the first and won't be the last to attempt this). It's unfortunate for you that you were given bad advice and that third parties use Wikipedia in their decision making, but we aren't responsible for that. Our only concern is if you meet our notability criteria for musicians, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources, and you seem to concede that you don't. This means that you don't merit a Wikipedia article and as such you won't be unblocked to attempt to create one. If you are interested in being a general contributor and editing about topics other than yourselves, please tell what those might be. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

What you're saying is that you created the article in order to get publicity. That's not allowed. Deb (talk) 08:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Deb. We are not trying to, or attempting to, use wikipedia to get airplay. That is not the purpose of our entry. We already have the airplay. Digital networks automatically draw connections from multiple sources, including wikipedia, musicbrainz, songfacts, listenbrainz etc etc. Connections can be an artist's biography, an album's artwork, song titles and member information. All we are seeking is to establish our existence. Not to embelish or promote ourselves on wikipedia. All we are doing is listing our existence and factual information, so that it can be drawn upon via software that automatically searches for information, and uses that information to connect to entities that exist. We exist. That is all we are trying to say. So we are not trying to say that we created the article to get publicity. We created the article to say we exist. Chumbahway exists. If wikipedia has an entry for the Tooth fairy, which it does, surely it can have an entry that says Chumbahway exists, which it does. We just want to exist. Not promote. Exist.

(Non-administrator comment) I'm not an admin so couldn't unblock you if I wanted to, but as I'm the one who declined your draft, this page keeps popping up on my watch list. I think what you're describing is still promotion; see WP:YESPROMO. But even if one accepts that it isn't, ie. that you genuinely only want a Wikipedia article as a data source for some 'connection', then can I ask why does it have to be Wikipedia specifically, given that you say these networks "draw connections from multiple sources"; could you not create an article on Musicbrainz, say? --DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because he already made an article on MusicBrainz Trade (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Non-administrator comment) Also PLEASE DO NOT change your username by making another account. It's strictly against the rules and are just going to get you into trouble @Chumbahway:--Trade (talk) 14:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chumbahway, your latest argument is nonsensical, as you would know if you took the trouble to read the guidelines. Wikipedia doesn't include everything that exists and makes a point of not doing so. Deb (talk) 15:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Chumbahway (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Requested username:

Robby Waratah (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

The reason we want a basic wikipedia entry is because digital radio platforms populate their artist biographies and cover art by sourcing it automatically from online entities such as wikipedia, musicbrainz and songfacts. We have been (basically ordered) told by digital radio media to create a wikipedia entry because that is where they link to, to find information about artists. I have no desire to use wikipedia as a personal promotional platform. I only wish to create the most basic entry that will facilitate the populating of information regarding us on digital radio platforms. We are not receiving compensation for our contribution. I understand why we were blocked. I'm learning here as I go. I am aware that we are not "notable" as yet. But since our recent release we have been picked up by 2 major Australian children's radio platforms and one in the US, and have been selected by an international airline to be included as inflight entertainment, throughout November. I will create a new user name - Robby Waratah. Thank you for your patience and apologies for getting it wrong the first time. Chumbahway (talk) 06:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Decline reason:

No. You've already been told no. We will not allow you to do this. If this is your only goal, this is the end of the line and you must not make another unblock request. Yamla (talk) 21:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words everybody. Personally I don't see the reason for such animosity and anger. I've clearly made an honest mistake and have tried to explain my desire to be listed. I know that wiki is not a platform for promotion. I also no that I have been directed to create an entry solely for the purpose of populataing information fields on digital platforms. I shall cease and desist from trying to create an entry for until such time that another source makes the entry without any connection to us. Thank you all and carry on. Bye for now. Chumbahway (talk) 04:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed his unblock request to use the right template as you asked him to do @331dot: --Trade (talk) 21:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]