Talk:Fitra
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"pre-mortal" Fitra
[edit]I came here from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_removal#Religious_reasons which refers to man's "pre-mortal" Fitra. What is the meaning of this "pre-mortal"? thanks. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 14:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Hahaha, I think someone meant primordial... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.242.67 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 1 October 2011
Fitra is Five Things According to the Hadeeth
[edit]The fitrah is five things – circumcision, shaving the pubes, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hairs. Source: al-Bukhaari (5891) and Muslim (527) from Abu Hurayrah [1]
- I am already in a state of fitra then. Didnt know. Mosesheron (talk) 22:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Jokes apart. I have tried to improve the article based on some scholarly sources. Fitra is a vital and illuminating concept in Islam. It may even be the most significant of all Islamic concepts. It is regrettable that many Muslims today do not recognize the importance of this notion. Best wishes. Mosesheron (talk) 22:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- I also want to add on a side note that specific traits identified with fitra in hadith sources are definitely relevant, and those traditions including the cited one above can certainly be added to the article, with recourse to reliable sources. What I have found objectionable here is the attempt at limiting the scope of the concept of fitra based on a single prophetic tradition. Fitra thus is not "Five Things According to the Hadeeth". It is rather "five things according to a Hadith", although I never came across such a tradition. That in no way means it doesn't exist. Fitra is first and foremost a theoretical concept, and has been explored at great length by many scholars. Although I do not know what hadith sources really say about fitra except maybe one or two often quoted hadiths, I cannot imagine the prophet reducing such a grand notion to ritual purities alone, though ritual purities might form a part of it. Regards. Mosesheron (talk) 00:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have divided the article into various sections. Various reports of the Prophet can be added to the respective section now, based on reliable secondary sources. Mosesheron (talk) 01:08, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Added the aforementioned Hadith to the page. I also added a hadith qudsi that I found in Tafsir Ibn Kathir. Mosesheron (talk) 14:27, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have divided the article into various sections. Various reports of the Prophet can be added to the respective section now, based on reliable secondary sources. Mosesheron (talk) 01:08, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- I also want to add on a side note that specific traits identified with fitra in hadith sources are definitely relevant, and those traditions including the cited one above can certainly be added to the article, with recourse to reliable sources. What I have found objectionable here is the attempt at limiting the scope of the concept of fitra based on a single prophetic tradition. Fitra thus is not "Five Things According to the Hadeeth". It is rather "five things according to a Hadith", although I never came across such a tradition. That in no way means it doesn't exist. Fitra is first and foremost a theoretical concept, and has been explored at great length by many scholars. Although I do not know what hadith sources really say about fitra except maybe one or two often quoted hadiths, I cannot imagine the prophet reducing such a grand notion to ritual purities alone, though ritual purities might form a part of it. Regards. Mosesheron (talk) 00:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Jokes apart. I have tried to improve the article based on some scholarly sources. Fitra is a vital and illuminating concept in Islam. It may even be the most significant of all Islamic concepts. It is regrettable that many Muslims today do not recognize the importance of this notion. Best wishes. Mosesheron (talk) 22:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)