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Have I done my wiki right?

Hi. I just set up WikiMe (http://editthis.info/wikime/Main_Page). Question: I set my self up as the admin, the only one who can view, edit, etc. WikiMe. Have I done it right? If not, what do I need to change on Control Panel?

Also: I want to make sure I back up my wiki. How do you do this? Can you save a wiki to a usb key or something?

Photo not showing on home computer but visible on another computer.

I had an operator at Wikipedia kindly upload a publicity photo to the Gerald Mohr Wiki site recently. She added an infobox template to do so. Oddly, although the infobox is on screen, the photo is not showing at all on my home computer but is showing on my office computer. I've tried purging, cache cleaning, cache bypassing on my computer and also changing the level of protection from my firewell to medium for a trusted site, but all to no avail. Has anyone any other suggestions as to how I can get the photo to show on my home computer, please?

Vialardi

We appreciate your contributions to the Vialardi article, but for legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text: I am the owner of the Copyrights ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicomo (talk • contribs)

Images linking to article names

Is there any way that you can make an image link to an article? For example, I am a part of WP:NYCS, a WikiProject to improve New York City Subway and what I want to do is to create a link that will make Image:NYCS-bull-trans-5.svg () link to 5 (New York City Subway service). Is this possible? --Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 03:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's possible, or desirable, since how would anyone visit the image page to read the copyright info and/or look at the higher resolution image if you change the click behaviour... Notinasnaid 07:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
{{click}} will do this, but it's a hack and breaks the page's accessibility so it should only be used when absolutely necessary. Tra (Talk) 17:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Going along with the above, the GFDL requires access to image source and copyright information. (With the exception of public domain images, which can be mishandled at will.) Using click for a non-PD image can range from an "unfortunate but only solution" hack to a blatant violation of the licensing (legal) underpinnings of Wikipedia. BanyanTree 23:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've created a user subpage describing the various arguments about image links that I've seen. Additions and corrections are welcome. - BanyanTree 02:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The image you see above is public domain. So what's the proper syntax to make the image link to 5 (New York City Subway service)? --Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 14:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Click | image = NYCS-bull-trans-5.svg | link = 5 (New York City Subway service) | width = 20px | height = 20px }}
will give
. Tra (Talk) 15:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. --Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 01:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Was this vandalism?

In my travels, I noticed Yrgh removed any link to latimes.com over several dozen articles on 13 November, sometimes simply deleting the References section. I noticed this because s/he deleted a polite query from a user who mentioned this without replying. I know this was a month ago, but would this be considered vandalism?

I've had no prior contact with this person to my memory. I bring this up here because I don't really want to get involved in a potentially heated dispute. Reverting simple vandalism is easy, though I'm not sure if this qualifies, and checking several dozen articles for a change made a month ago will take time. TransUtopian 02:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's vandalism. If you catch something like that while it's fresh then report to WP:ANI. DurovaCharge! 07:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. latimes.com requires registration to read pages more than a couple of days old. Links to registration-required sites shouldn't be in Wikipedia. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's no different than referencing books not available online or journals you have to subscribe to. If we got the information from a source, we must cite that source for purposes of verifiability. Offline book sources, online soures requiring subscription, and foreign language sources are inconvenient to access, but the fact that we can use information from and cite them is what makes us different than just using Google. --tjstrf talk 18:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
WP:EL#Sites_requiring_registration says "sites requiring registration should be avoided". User:Zoe|(talk) 20:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But surely it's better to have references in articles that consist of links to reputable sources that require registration than no references at all. Megapixie 02:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Deleting an entire references section, which was one of the cited diffs, is out-and-out vandalism. If there are newspaper articles as references and there is an objection to the extenal link, the reference should be properly formatted to cite the newspaper article and the external link removed - the solution is not to eliminate the reference altogether. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Zoe: That's for external links, NOT references. --tjstrf talk 02:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Mph. You're right. I'm sorry, I misunderstood this whole discussion, and will now slink away quietly. User:Zoe|(talk) 16:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(arbitrary outdent) If an editor replaces a reference to the Los Angeles Times with an equally appropriate and reliable reference that doesn't require site registration, yes that's preferable because it's more accessible. Preferable is not synonymous with let's remove a bunch of valid references and make the article less verifiable; vandalism is synonymous with that action. DurovaCharge! 03:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where would I go to discuss whether a given website is suitable for linking to? I've come across a user (ALLtheTrue (contribs)) who keeps adding links to dreamingwith.com to various porn star articles. Both myself and Valrith keep pulling the links out on the basis that it violates WP:EL. ALLtheTrue keeps adding them back in and arguing that they belong. I'd like to have some other eyes look at the situation and help sort it out. Tabercil 01:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • While I do believe that the links Tabercil mentions are inappropriate per WP:EL, I have begun to wonder why we have "institutionalized" certain external sites for purposes of filmographic reference (eg. IMDb). The porn actress infobox even explicitly includes a shortcut for linking to IMDb (as well as AFDB, IAFD and the Eurobabeindex). I've searched for a guideline on appropriate external sites to link to for filmographies, but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Valrith 23:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Different sources, Different details

I am currently working on a project Brisbane Ferries and have found two different internet sources that conflict with each other, Reference 4 conflicts with reference 5 regarding where John Williams ferry service ran from, one says Russell St and the other Kangaroo Point, as an amateur historian I know that it was Russell St, however the locality could have been called Kangaroo point at the time alternately he could have ran several services. I also have a published history of Brisbane that states Russell St. How do I reflect this in the article until I can unravel the mystery? --Matt 04:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You could note the discrepancy in your sources, in the article, and then list all of the sources. User:Zoe|(talk) 16:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Incompatible licensing

Plant Design Management System is an unconventionally formatted article that claims a license that is incompatible with GFDL. I haven't run into this type of thing before and am wondering how to proceed. Delete just the license statement and treat it is a valid article? Tag for speedy delete because it was posted with an improper understanding? Note that the history section in the middle was lifted from CADCentre. Suggestions? JonHarder talk 18:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well for starters I'd be checking to see if anything else besides the middle text is lifted from somewhere else. The way the article reads right now it almost smells like a cut'n'paste copyvio. If that's the case then I'd say kill the article on that basis. Otherwise, I'd say strip the license info out as the text that appears when you edit an article explicitly says "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL", and that (IMO) supercedes the license User:DarrelHoward is trying to put on the article. I'd also warn the user about the license he's trying to use on the article being incompatible with the GFDL which governs Wikipedia, and give him a chance to either agree to the GFDL or delete his material. Tabercil 23:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I've left a message for the user and removed the license disclaimer. -- Rick Block (talk) 00:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does your software have Japanese fonts downloaded?

At onsen, we apparently have transliterated and translated the Japanese word "内湯" (usually pronounced "uchiyu") incorrectly. I do not have the right fonts or I would fix this. Can someone look at the comments on the talk page and the corresponding part of the article and try to correct this? Thank you. I will check later if I can.--Filll 16:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it per the comments on the talk page. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please help remove JPG artifacts

Hello, I recently uploaded a logo at Image:Lyria logo.gif. Even though the image is a GIF file, its original source is originally a JPEG and as a result suffers from JPEG artifacts. I can't really recreate the image and don't have a better source for it, so if someone has access to those artifact-removing programs/plugins, I would very much appreciate if you could upload a reduced-artifact version of the logo to that same name! Thanks! —lensovet–talk – 22:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to clean it up a bit in the GIMP. The usual caveats about silk purses and sow's ears apply, though. In the future, you may wish to post such requests at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Use of old photographs

I have a series of fake spirit photographs taken between 1920 and 1931 by a man who died in 1933, can I use 1 or 2 of them to illustrate the work this specific photographer?

The copyright for the photographs belonged to the photographer at the time of his death.

perfectblue 12:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They are in the public domain, at least in the jurisdictions with which Wikipedia is concerned. The licensing tag you want is {{PD-old-70}}. You are free to upload all of them. Since they are under a free license, please consider uploading them to Commons: so they may be used by all of the sister projects. Wherever you upload, I find the formatting template {{Information |Description= |Source= |Date= |Author= |Permission= |other_versions= }} useful in making sure I get all the relevant info in an easily readable format. Cheers - BanyanTree 14:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. I have started uploading them under then format Williamhopehoax#.jpg. I take it that I link to them in the same way that I would link to a standard wikiupload picture?
perfectblue 15:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they can be formatted like any other image. - BanyanTree 14:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic contributor spamming for an obscure Italian publishing company

If you check [1] and see the User:217.133.106.158 spams for the obscure Italian publishing company "Di Renzo Editore". I have removed these advertisements for the books that they publish on the pages listed, but I'm not sure who to contact about this or what policies are relevant. I imagine that this will become a bigger and bigger problem for Wikipedia as time goes on. Perhaps someone here is more familiar with how to deal with such editors? Also, I think this person may be active over on the Italian Wikipedia, trying to get advertising cruft in there as well. I'm uncomfortable with their actions here, but I don't know what to do about it over there. Help! ---ScienceApologist 14:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOT covers that. Most of the edits are months old and your warning is recent, so follow up at WP:RFI if the problem resumes. DurovaCharge! 14:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

encouragement

Is there any place in wikipedia where one can gather encouragement ?--Smkolins 16:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There used to be Wikipedia:Esperanza/Reach out, take a look through the archives and see if any of the members are still available.

perfectblue 16:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

importing from other GDFL wiks

I would like to create this article Md5 (file format) and I found another wiki under the GDFL that has it in 3 pages.

What's the proprer way to import articles from other wiks under the GDFL? Should I write a note at the beginning of the page on wikipedia? Like "imported from http://www.modwiki.net"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Argento3 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Looking at http://www.modwiki.net/wiki/modwiki:About, I don't see anything about its licensing policy so I'd suggest not importing any articles from there. To reuse content that is properly licensed under the GFDL, you should include a link to the source of the text either in the text itself or in the summary of the edit adding the text. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template problem

I'm having trouble with Template:Worldmusicassessed. It worked fine until just recently - could be a browser update on my end (Mac Firefox), but anyway, could someone fix it. I can't figure out the problem. It works fine unless both the quality and importance assessments are filled in, such as at Talk:Music of the Vatican City. There, the importance assessment is off to the right and distorts the whole box. I can't figure out the problem. Can someone may it look like the other similar templates, with the two assessments stacked on top of each other. Thanks, Tuf-Kat 06:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem was that leading spaces are trimmed off when specifying parameters for ParserFunctions, so I added an   which seems to have fixed it. Tra (Talk) 11:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Robert E. Lee, General CSA

I just wanted to suggest that since January 19, 2007 is the 200th Anniversary of General Robert E. Lee's birthday, that you feature him on the main page on that day.

Thanks,68.84.21.127 20:54, 25 December 2006 (UTC)Karen D. Colson in Florida[reply]

The article would need to be featured before it could appear on the main page. Currently Lee's biography is rated B-class. It's a little late to aim for that anniversary. Even if you raised it to featured quality overnight it would need to go through featured article candidacy. But you're welcome to start improving it today. DurovaCharge! 00:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Image deletion

Is it possible to determine who deleted an image such as Image:Fiber optic bundle.jpg which I uploaded some time ago? --Deglr6328 20:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to [2], it was deleted by Shyam Bihari (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Tra (Talk) 20:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
interesting. thx. --Deglr6328 20:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Easy fix for an upload file name mistake?

I am brand new to editing. I was uploading an image, and when I browsed to the image source on my local computer, the edit page automatically renamed my upload file name. I didn't catch the error until I clicked upload, and thus had a bad image here on Wikipedia. I immediately realized my mistake and wanted to somehow undo the upload. Is there an easy way to change an image name, undo an upload, or delete a mistake like that? The image deletion nomination process was a bit of a hassle to remedy such a simple mistake. You can see the mistake image at 3988.jpg and the correct image at BlindersOnSeanWatkins.jpg. Chickendud 08:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

How do updated photos appear in the articles?

I have uploaded two updated photos. The new photos have the same names as the older versions. The articles still show the old photo thumbnails, but clicking on the thumbnail shows the latest version on the home page of each photo. Was I supposed to have done something to update the thumb on the article page, or is this something that happens automatically after some auto update process? BBODO 01:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The images should update automatically, but sometimes they don't, so I've purged all of the images you uploaded to force them to update. Please clear your cache then check if the images are appearing correctly. If they aren't, please give the name of the article and the images affected to make it easier to solve the problem. Tra (Talk) 02:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Combine two articles under one name.

Two-states theory and Special state-to-state relations means the same thing. I checked on google, they are both commonly being used. So I suggest to combine those two together. In Chinese, it literally means "two states theory", however, the other name also seems to be popular. so I personally don't know which one to use. nevertheless, there is no need to have two articles for the same thing.

I suppose that two-states theory is better because it is the direct translation, but most people probably won't know what it means just by reading it directly. I want to expand the article, but I will wait till someone combined them. SummerThunder 11:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that you start by placing a Merge tag on both entries. If there is no problem, take all of the content from one that doesn't exist in the other and transfer it across (with some editing for neatness etc), then simply place a redirect code on the empty page. That way, whichever page the reader visits, they will come to the same text.
perfectblue 11:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i don't really know the details as how to do them. and it seems that it might take a lot of time, etc. so can someone just do it? SummerThunder 21:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oh, i didn't know that it was so easy just to redirect. however, it seems that whatever was in the "two states theory" was gone. and i don't know how to find its original content any more. i was going to add that to the new article. how do i find the old article for "two states theory?" SummerThunder 00:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The old text is here. Tra (Talk) 00:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oh, yes, i found the way to do it. thanks. SummerThunder 01:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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