Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2019 January

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2019 January

CCTV New Year's Gala

Although I am not 123.113.78.173, who proposed move review of the article "CCTV New Year's Gala" on the closer StraussInTheHouse's talk page, I agree with 123.113.78.173's opinion. The requested move of the article "CCTV New Year's Gala" released on 29 December 2018 was closed too speedily (the requested move continued only 1 week), so there is no enough discussion to the requested move. In addition, many page-moved discussion released near 29 December 2018 are relisted in recent days, like "Talk:Auschwitz concentration camp#Requested move 29 December 2018", in order to attract more users to make enough comments there. Although it is reported there is convassing in Talk:CCTV New Year's Gala#Requested move 29 December 2018 by an opposer of this page-moved proposal, and the closer StraussInTheHouse thought the supporters don't give further reasons, I still think it is unfair, unjust and unreasonable to close Talk:CCTV New Year's Gala#Requested move 29 December 2018 so speedily (the requested move continued only 1 week) due to the reasons only. Even if it is the fact, the supporters' behaviours are their own only. Other users aren't likely to do it again and won't be affected. In conclusion, I still think we should reopen and relist Talk:CCTV New Year's Gala#Requested move 29 December 2018 in order to attract more users to make enough comments there. Otherwise, it is unfair, unjust and unreasonable to the users who never comment there, and it isn't good to make better consensus.
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11:55, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Endorse. (uninvolved) The nominator of the page move may have valid concerns; however, since the article is about the China Central Television broadcaster's production of the "gala" that takes place on the Chinese New Year, it is difficult for me to see any problem of confusion with the Gregorian calendar's New Year practiced outside China. A quick read of the lead, to include the boldface-type "Spring Festival Gala" (which is a redirect to the article), dispels any confusion, and I think opposers of the page move had the stronger arguments. So in my opinion this was a good call – a very good call. Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 03:09, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Paine Ellsworth: Please clarify your opinion: support the RM proposal, support the move review to reopen and relist the RM discussion, or support the closure of the RM discussion.

124.127.203.116

09:55, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

To "endorse" here at Move review means that the closure of the RM is supported, which means that I agree with the result of the requested move. Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 10:11, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To declare, i also comment on that RM. However, the move was full of legit SPA/sock that admin block some of the ip for block evasion. Also, the nominator fails to provide reliable source. Thus, i don't think there is anything wrong to close the discussion with not move. RM can be re-open once the nominator, listing secondary reliable source, not literally telling people to search themselves. Matthew hk (talk) 04:26, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And off-topic. Special:Diff/876949969 (old) certainly the same as Special:Diff/877205403 (new), which means 123.113.78.173 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is some sort of block evasion. Matthew hk (talk) 04:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And it is pretty much declaring you are block evasion by saying you are not someone. Compare 2409:8900:1811:9286:f76f:db8f:3fc3:dcab (talk · contribs · WHOIS) edit (Special:diff/877264276) to above diff, which hard to tell 2409:8900:1811 range are likely to be the same person or not. Matthew hk (talk) 04:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support the move review to reopen and relist the RM discussion: I also comment on Talk:CCTV New Year's Gala#Requested move 29 December 2018, and I support the RM proposal. 1. The nominator gave an reliable source in the RM discussion, which can be proved by searching online. This is the fact which the opposer of the RM tries to ignore. 2. An opposer reported that there are some SPAs and sock puppet in the RM discussion. However, according to the so few and unconvincing examples listed by the opposer, I can only find two or three IPs made sole similar edit very coincidentally, which is so normal and no any problem. In addition, the RM discussion continued only 1 week, and the comments are so few, thus there is no adequate discussion. In conclusion, I support the move review to reopen and relist the RM discussion in order to let many uninvolved users to discuss the RM proposal adequately. Off-topic: If the opposer of the RM proposal insists his report is no problem (although it isn't sure that his report is no problem), please discuss with the administrators. Don't waste your time here. It is so biased that the opposer of the RM proposal claims and insists the supporters are SPAs or sock puppets with very few and unconvincing examples.

124.127.203.116

09:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Frances & Aiko

"Frances & Aiko" is the temporary name of the group and their official group name is "Big Small Sister." It is used all over Chinese articles, and they only promoted in Taiwan. The Japanese company that casted them had posted that their official name was 大小姐, and the translation used on their official BabyHome website lullabying (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Endorse close. Start a new normal move request if you'd like, but the close itself was proper. This is not a venue for rehashing evidence. I suggest withdrawing this move review. Dekimasuよ! 19:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dekimasu: To put into perspective, "Frances & Aiko" was a temporary name and was listed as フランシス&愛子 on Japanese sites and 兆鉉＆愛子 on Chinese sites. However, music was officially released under 大小姐, which "Big Small Sister" was used as a translation for. Article examples: 1 2 3. lullabying (talk) 02:17, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Same as previous: just start a new move request and attempt to gain consensus. The previous discussion did not reach consensus in favor of a move. Dekimasuよ! 03:18, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse. (uninvolved) No question, that was a good call. As with any no-consensus outcome, the nom may strengthen their arguments and try again to garner consensus in two or three months. If the name has changed, then somebody has written about them under the new name. Find "secondary" reliable sources, because Wikipedia cannot change the name based only on "primary" sources. Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 20:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Paine Ellsworth: "Frances & Aiko" is written as 兆鉉＆愛子. Music was officially released under 大小姐, which "Big Small Sister" was used as a translation for. Article examples: 1 2 lullabying (talk) 02:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - To editor Lullabying: so sorry... what you need to find are reliable secondary sources that are in the English language and that clearly show the name of the music duo. Neither of the sources you gave above are in English, and when I use the Google Chrome translator, the names "Miss Da" and "Missy" are given. Neither "Frances & Aiko" nor "Big Small Sister" are mentioned in my translations of those two sources. Without reliable English secondary sources that clearly use the name you propose, your claim is called "original research" on Wikipedia, and the name of the article cannot be changed based on original research. Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 05:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse with 1 supporter (nom), 1 opposer, and 2 weeks of no one commenting, there is clearly no "consensus" to move the article. But, there is not a consensus not to move the article. Accordingly, the close as "no consensus" was correct --DannyS712 (talk) 06:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]