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Much marketing

A site with not official sources which tries to catch a user telephone number (succecfully). http://html.usagc.org ("What should I do if I spot a scam?")

"there are numerous companies and websites that charge a fee in order to complete the form for the applicant. The Department of State and the Federal Trade Commission have warned that some of these businesses falsely claim to increase someone's chances of winning the lottery, or that they are affiliated with the U.S. government" RippleSax (talk) 19:39, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

Moved from User talk:184.100.130.191
 – Mz7 (talk) 20:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't used talk pages before, so I apologize if I'm not doing this incorrectly, but when I clicked on cite 14 (" Instructions for the 2018 Diversity Immigrant Visa Program (DV-2018)") on the "Diversity Immigrant Visa" page, it took me to a broken link/the page had 404ed. I found the correct link and it is "https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Diversity-Visa/DV-Instructions-Translations/DV-2018-Instructions-Translations/DV-2018%20Instructions%20English.pdf". — Preceding unsigned comment added by MakotoMacaron (talk • contribs) 18:07, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done I've updated the link accordingly. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of winners

The DoS will not notify winners, neither by email nor by postal mail. Apllicants must check their status on the lottery web site themselves and, in case they are shown as winners, fill in an online application form to schedule a consular interview. It seems that apllicants had better check back on their status several times as the DoS apparently adds new selectees when previously selected winners do not respond or qualify. Is all that mentioned in the article? https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/diversity-visa/if-you-are-selected.html
Westvirginiator (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing this out. I added this information to the article. Heitordp (talk) 08:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Visa Lottery do-over???

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386896/22-000-aspiring-immigrants-U-S-given-invitation-visa-told-offer-wasnt-valid-glitch-federal-lottery-system.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.189.129.182 (talk) 23:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2017

- 66.117.237.146 (talk) 17:00, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Empty Request Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Updates probably needed post October 2017 NYC attack

Newsweek reports New York terror suspect entered US under visa program Trump wants to end, referring to this program, and other sources seem to be picking it up after the 2017 New York City attack. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another user added a "Notable Recipients" section with him in it. While I don't oppose his inclusion in the article, I feel like he would fit in better in the Legal Status section (perhaps under something about Trump wanting to end this program). Or, if the recipients section is kept (and his name in it), maybe add in a few other notable recipients? Paris1127 (talk) 04:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I will add these people, found through searching Wikipedia: actor David Charvet (France), actor Karl Geary and singer Mark Geary (Ireland), artist Natasha Johns-Messenger (Australia), civil rights attorney Carla Gericke (South Africa), Johanna Marie-Roe of the a cappella quartet Anonymous 4 (Northern Ireland), comedian Violet Benson (Russia), model Peter Shoukry (Egypt), actress Tania Gunadi (Indonesia), politician Basil Rajapaksa (Sri Lanka), singer Pasquale Esposito, conductor Derek Gleeson (Ireland), figure skater Daisuke Murakami (Japan), photographer Boogie (Serbia), wrestler Cesaro (Switzerland), punter Zoltán Meskó (Romania), runner Jude Monye (Nigeria), singer Mehrnoosh (Iran), writer Christine Piper (Australia), and soccer stars Freddy Adu (Ghana), Alex Zotincă (Romania), Behshad Yavarzadeh (Iran), Sallieu Bundu (Sierra Leone), and Stefan Dimitrov (Bulgaria).--Mike Selinker (talk) 11:10, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mike Selinker: I spot checked a few from this list and many have missing citations for this assertion. Also there are situations where the notable person themselves did not win the lottery, but rather a family member (ex. Sallieu Bundu's brother). Seems like some sloppy additions, and since most of these are living people, you'll probably have a very short window to add citations for every entry or expect they'll be removed. -- Netoholic @ 13:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Schumer Program

I am seeking clarification of the first use of the term Schumer Program to describe the Diversity Immigrant Visa. I cannot find a reputable source that first called the DIV the Schumer Program. Seeing that Schumer was only one of the people that helped draft the Immigration Act of 1990 bill and was a only co-sponsor in the House, why is his name attached to this portion of it? Given the heat that President Trump is laying directly (and solely) at Schumer's feet over the 2017 New York City attack, I think someone with better research skills than I may need to suss this out. Reverend Lee (talk • contribs) 13:24, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Reverend Lee: This is the legislation that, among other things, established "diversity immigration" which is the base for the DIV, Schumer is a co-sponsor: https://www.congress.gov/bill/101st-congress/house-bill/4300
I understand that. What I am trying to find out is who gave the DIV the moniker "The Schumer Program"? He was not the Sponsor, so how did it end up with his name on it, and who put it there? I ask because it is being used as a derogatory term by the president and Schumer's political enemies in light of the NYC truck attack. Reverend Lee (talk • contribs) 14:15, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to find the exact phrase but there is no doubt it is linked to Schumer personally; see Extreme right blames Chuck Schumer, 'Diversity Visa' for NYC terror attack (Syracuse.com) for example. Not a BLP issue, particularly when a public figure involved in policy is the subject. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:18, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Here is one source for the exact moniker, Irish Echo 2011: "the Schumer program is currently the only way that Irish people hoping to emigrate to the U.S. can obtain legal visas" [1] Note this is a pro-immigration op-ed. A link to this commercial site is also circulating, which says "Diversity Visa (DV) program... is also known as the Schumer program, after its sponsor". Whether we describe it as "a" Schumer program, vice "The Schumer Program" I am indifferent but it seems a bit of a whitewash to remove his name entirely under aegis of BLP protection. WP:WEIGHT surely allows this with such extensive political reporting now (WaPo too, just noticed). ☆ Bri (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I cut it. Referencing articles that reference wikipedia is circular. The original bill, that Schumer introduced, was H.R.4165 https://www.congress.gov/bill/101st-congress/house-bill/4165 it was later rolled into into H.R.4300. If any bill should carry the "Schumer program", title, it should be H.R.4165. In reference to H.R.4300, it is an unofficial term, a nickname at best, and will only be cited derisively by political opponents going forward as is has in the past 24 hours. Reverend Lee (talk • contribs) 15:10, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So now the article doesn't include the word "Schumer" although the Washington Post and other rock-solid reliable sources are reporting the connection to this program - in fact it is currently in their top 5 most-read stories. This isn't good NPOV article construction per WP:WEIGHT and other criteria. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Show me these "other rock-solid reliable sources" that refer to a "Schumer Program". WaPo doesn't. Even this IrishEcho, which you must've trawled the depths of internet for doesn't really do it either. No. WP:BLP. Volunteer Marek  18:00, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with @Bri:. Material should not be removed because it may be "cited derisively by political opponents". Instead, material should be edited for clarity and pre-2017 references added. beefman (talk) 17:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Washington Post does not call it the "Schumer Program". The Irish Echo does, but that's not enough to include it. This is a politically loaded term with insufficient sourcing, hence a BLP vio. Volunteer Marek  17:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no BLP issue here. Whether the Irish Echo source is "insufficient" is debatable. beefman (talk) 19:07, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2017

This is a lie, located in the history section: It is also known as the Schumer program, after its sponsor.[citation needed], Checking Wikipedia's own entries about the sponsor of the bill, it's listed as Ted Kennedy. "The Immigration Act of 1990 (Pub.L. 101–649, 104 Stat. 4978, enacted November 29, 1990) was signed into law by George H. W. Bush on November 29, 1990.[1] It was first introduced by Senator Ted Kennedy in 1989" Source = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990

}} RyckNelsonmn (talk) 13:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the entire statement per your good faith challenge to uncited BLP material. I have no prejudice against that statement being re-added if a reliable source is added along with it.—KuyaBriBriTalk 14:24, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@RyckNelsonmn: My edit was reverted and a reliable source was added, so my involvement here as a user who patrols semi-protected edit requests is done. There is an active discussion above about the "Schumer program" that you might want to look at and/or participate in. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Suspect?

Isn't entering a SUSPECTED perpetrator into a list against the policy that Wikipedia does not catalogue current (ongoing) newsstories but waits until substantiated evidence comes in from reliable sources? Even a wrong "suspected" entry that will be found by webcrawlers for decades to come can ruin a person's life. Does Wikipedia really need to be SO hyper-actual in its texts? --176.199.184.48 (talk) 15:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Take that up with editors of the article on the incident. The name of the "suspect" has been confirmed by authorities. Natureium (talk) 18:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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