Talk:Marcian Hoff

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Anyone knows why did he lose his Intel Fellow title in 1983?

competition at age 15

The following line was added by 152.163.100.5. It is not valid English, has no context, and is not sourced.

    He won a competition when he was 15 to Washington DC.

Sheldrake 21:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comma before Jr.

Hello fellow editors! This is about this edit and its revert.

I was involved in the most recent round of the years-long debate over this comma. The current community consensus is that that comma is a style element—in other words, there is no "correct" usage of it for any individual, only varying styles used by different sources. English Wikipedia's house style is no-comma.

As a compromise, the community decided that the comma can be used in cases where (1) the living subject individual can be shown to clearly and consistently prefer the comma, -OR- (2) all reliable sources include the comma. That's all, not most. I didn't have to look very far to find these two reliable sources that omit the comma:

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/01/business/atari-hires-inventor-of-microprocessor-chip.html?mcubz=0

https://books.google.com/books?id=UUbB3d2UnaAC&pg=PA390&lpg=PA390&dq=marcian+hoff +jr&source=bl&ots=SdjZPbZP3d&sig=nkRViLlvsLCpSYWNlgOp2G84KD8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH4OCjiMTWAhUO5WMKHRaIDpU4ChDoAQg3MAQ#v=onepage&q=marcian%20hoff%20jr&f=false

It's a high bar, and it was intended to be high. I'm not aware of a case that has cleared it, and I and others have already modified thousands of articles to remove the comma. Unless someone wishes to claim that the The New York Times is not a reliable source, or can show that Mr. Hoff clearly and consistently uses the comma, there is nothing to discuss here, and I'm removing the comma again. ―Mandruss ☎ 00:59, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Glrx: Ok, with this revert you are now making up your own rules and edit warring. Please show me in WP:JR where it says that the only sources that matter are those used in refs. I will give you 24 hours to respond intelligently here, and then I will revert once again. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Huh?

You acknowledge that you are a long-term MOS warrior on an inflexible campaign.

You acknowledge that the article refs are using the comma.

You've essentially discarded what you don't like by putting a rigid interpretation on "all": "no case has cleared it".

Instead of using the first six references in the article (that include authorities offering personal awards that would be careful about the name), you do a google search and come up with a recycled press release (Atari hires Hoff) in the NYT business section (PRs are not RS; Atari just hired him and would be prone to mistakes about details) and a crappy endnote that is just a mention in passing. Gee, I wonder how the actual IEEE articles mentioned in the endnote spell his name. Uh, no I don't.

If I google (marcian "hoff jr"), only two hits on the first page show it without the comma: the first is a typewritten US Internation Trade Commission Investigative report (hardly a reliable source for his name); the second is in German.

You are clearly cherry picking your refs.

Then you give me a 24-hour demand.

You are not following WP:BRD.

You are also not waiting for others to comment here.

Glrx (talk) 03:19, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]