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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Waylesange (talk | contribs) at 12:54, 19 August 2016 (→Kyrgyzstan is not officially moved out of the table yet: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

The table overview is nice; however had, there are also main articles where the winners etc.. are described. Could the medal page here also link in to the respective medals, at the least to some of them? 2A02:8388:1600:C80:BE5F:F4FF:FECD:7CB2 (talk) 15:26, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Those are linked to from the main article. Eventually we'll add photos with links to a few articles that the photos depict, but only one event is complete so far. See 2012 Summer Olympics medal table for a model. Smartyllama (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I found this page really useful and interesting in the last Olympics, but it doesn't look like anything like that has been started for these games. Zagalejo^^^ 22:49, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Progress

Would be interesting if progress was recorded, aka to leave 'Medals after Day 1', 'Medals after Day 2' and so on all accessible (just leave them at the bottom and always start a fresh table for each new day. Just a thought. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:797B:EA00:D98F:C655:3ED:75AD (talk) 07:11, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More bronze than silver or gold

This needs a footnote cite to state why there are more bronze medalists. I believe it's due to some events not having a bronze medal match (boxing and Judo, I think). Not sure how this would be formatted though. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The 2012 Summer Olympics medal table has this (references removed) in the section above the table:

In boxing, judo, taekwondo, and wrestling, two bronze medals are awarded in each weight class. Two silver medals (and no bronze) were awarded for second place ties in both the men's 200 metre freestyle swimming and the men's 100 metre butterfly swimming events. Two bronze medals were awarded for a third-place tie in the men's keirin cycling race; three bronze medals were awarded for a three-way third-place tie in the men's high jump.

Something like this could be included with amendments as appropriate. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 08:06, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

This is probably a common theme with the Olympics. Should this not have semi-protection from the start? I can pretty much see me reversing vandalism every time I check up on the latest medals. Mere Mortal (talk) 10:29, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a sensible idea. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:32, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Number of NOC's

At the bottom of the table, there is a total for the number of NOC's that have received medals. The current count that is displayed is 59, which on the surface looks fine, as there are 59 entries in the table. However, one of these entries is for the Independent Olympic Athletes, which to my understanding is not an NOC (The Kuwait Olympic Committee was suspended). Because of this shouldn't the total number of NOC's with medals count be at 58 (subject to change) with a note explaining the situation? --FactualCollector7d1 (talk) 15:27, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the 1992 Summer Olympics medal table, in which both the Unified Team, representing multiple former Soviet countries, and Independent Olympic Participants representing Yugoslavia, won medals, it lists the NOC count as 64, which includes both of those delegations. Additionally, early Olympic medal tables like the 1900 Summer Olympics medal table count mixed teams as an NOC. So I say include the Independent Olympians, and if a refugee athlete wins a medal, include them separately. Smartyllama (talk) 15:53, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for pointing out those examples. First, I would like to point out that I agree that these groups should be included in their respective medal tables. Rather, I suggest that the terms used in the medal table's should to changed to include these groups, as the current terms "nations" and "NOC's" do not. I encourage you to visit the article on National Olympic Committee's to review the definition of an NOC as I have. In particular, look at the list of recognized NOC's. Any group entered into the Olympics that is not on this list at the time of the an Olympic Games should not be put in a list as an NOC for those Olympic games. This also Includes, among many, countries such as Great Britain at the 1900 Olympics (again, I am not saying they shouldn't be included, but that a more encompassing term should be used for those tables). I apologize if I seem hostile, I really don't mean to be; I'm just dumbfounded that such an error (albeit technical) could be so widespread. --FactualCollector7d1 (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Medal Map updates

I notice there is often a time lag of many hours, sometimes a day or so, before the medal map is updated to agree with the medals table. Is it that updating the map is time-consuming or is it just overlooked? For example at this moment, Singapore has a gold (map says none), North Korea has a gold (map says silver), Cuba has a silver (map says bronze), Belarus has a silver (map says none), Iran has a gold (map says none), and Slovakia has a gold (map shows silver)... Comments? Ptilinopus (talk) 05:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Host nation highlight

Just an idea, but I feel like the current color used to highlight the host nation is too dark and distracts from an easy reading of the table. I propose using a more transparent color: "moccasin". It works great as a highlight in tables. It's bright but also very easy on the eyes, in my opinion.

Current

  Host nation

Proposed

  Host nation

Jmj713 (talk) 00:09, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First olympic medals

I think it's not okay to say that Fiji got their first Olympic medal at the 2016 Summer Olympics. They got a medal at the 2014 Youth Olympics, and the IOC considers this to be an Olympic medal the same way medals earned at the 2016 Olympic Games are. I think it would be safer to reword part of the text as "Vietnam, Kosovo, Fiji, Singapore and Puerto Rico won their first gold medals at the Olympic Games. They were also Kosovo's first Olympic medal of any kind, and Fiji's first medal at the Olympic Games." What do you guys think? -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 01:45, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've never seen any sources lump the Youth Olympics into broad statements about NOC medal counts, so I don't think the average reader is going to worry about this issue. In any case, that proposed wording is pretty confusing. Readers aren't going to understand the distinction between "first Olympic medal of any kind" and "first medal at the Olympic Games". If we must reword things, I'd just go with "They were also Kosovo's and Fiji's first Summer or Winter Olympic medals of any kind". But I'm not convinced we even need to do that.
Is there a source that clarifies how the IOC classifies Youth Olympics medals? The IOC doesn't officially maintain any all-time medal tables. Zagalejo^^^ 00:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's mostly through YouTube videos uploaded to the official channels of the Youth Olympic events. For example, here they refer to the Italian boys as Olympic champions (around the 3:16 mark). Some federations also publish articles referring to Youth Olympics medals as just Olympic medals. Here is an example from ITTF, the International Table Tennis Federation. I like your suggestion of rewording the phrase to "They were also Kosovo's and Fiji's first Summer or Winter Olympic medals of any kind". It might not be strictly necessary for the average reader, but it is not confusing either, and it still fits reasonably well with the fact that one of these NOCs has earned an Olympic medal before, without directly mentioning to it. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 16:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is confusing though, because the average reader hasn't heard of the Youth Olympics so they'd be confused as to what else there is. And YouTube isn't a reliable source anyway. Keep it simple. Also, the ITTF doesn't call it an Olympic medal, that's the winner calling it an Olympic medal. It's not official terminology. Until reliable secondary sources start referring to Youth Olympic medals on the same level as Olympic medals, we shouldn't either since that's how Wikipedia works.Smartyllama (talk) 16:12, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is the official channel for the Youth Olympic Games, with videos recorded by the IOC personnel. How come this is not reliable? And what is a "reliable secondary source" for you other than International Federations? There are tons of articles in different languages explicitly referring to Youth Olympic medals as just Olympic medals. I could find tons of examples in Portuguese (my native language), for example, but I'm afraid you would possibly not understand. I understand the need to keep it simple, but just rephrasing to "Summer or Winter Olympic medal" is enough, and it should not confuse people at all. This is a simple change that would not alienate anyone. Just my two cents. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 16:21, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The IOC is a primary source, not a secondary source. And the ITTF didn't call it anything, a medalist it quoted did. And her saying it doesn't make it so. Plus ITTF still isn't a secondary source. Smartyllama (talk) 16:23, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So, we need a secondary source because a quote from a video officially recorded by the primary source is not enough? Also, ITTF conveniently refers to the medal as the "first medal", then they quote in the text someone calling it the "first Olympic medal". If they didn't support the idea, they wouldn't have put it right on the headlines. But I understand what you are saying. Still, I would like to hear if anyone (besides you, I suppose) opposes to the "first Summer or Winter Olympic medals of any kind" rewording. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 16:31, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's clearly the first medal, whether it's the first Youth Olympics medal or the first Olympic medal. And generally Wikipedia relies on secondary sources when possible to support claims. I notice you have been bold on the 2012 article, and I have reverted. Let's try to build consensus one way or the other here rather than get into an editing war, please. Smartyllama (talk) 16:36, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The only events that the IOC explicitly recognizes as being of equal rank to the Summer and Winter Olympic Games are the Summer and Winter Paralympic Games. The Youth Olympics is clearly a "junior" event. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:41, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
First: you didn't offer any support for that other than your own words. Second: I believe it is a big mistake to have different claims of "first Olympic medal ever" in different articles. In Fiji's case, for example, this happens here and here. One of these claims should not be supported. The same thing happens to Singapore earning their first Olympic gold medal. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 16:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Read exactly what it says - "Of the nations that won medals at these Games, two had not won an Olympic medal – El Salvador[1] and Fiji.[2] A further four nations – Ghana,[3] Moldova,[4] Singapore[5] and Zambia[6] – won their first gold medals at an Olympic event, having previously only won medals of other colours." It doesn't say "first Olympic medal" or "first Olympic gold medal." It is an Olympic event, but it's not the Olympics, and the medals are not Olympic medals. There is similar language for Fiji at 2012 Summer Paralympics medal table. Compare that to the language on this page, at 2012 Summer Olympics medal table, etc. clearly saying it was the first Olympic [gold] medal for the nations in question. Smartyllama (talk) 16:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Including bronze medals before event has finished

This keeps on being changed. Multiple sources suggest 18 bronze for USA but apparently the sport is ongoing.

BBC NBC Olympics Daily Mail The Sun

All those links show 18 bronze. Czech Republic is also under debate.

Can somebody please verify these? Mere Mortal (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, can somebody please verify whether or not there is a “policy” with regards to including bronze medals in an event where gold has not yet been awarded (that is, the event is unfinished but bronze has been claimed)? Somebody with no edit history other than on this page keeps on reverting edits claiming some kind of “policy” which I have not seen or heard of. Mere Mortal (talk) 17:12, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The total should not be changed until the medal is actually awarded. The medal cannot be guaranteed until it is awarded due to the possibility of disqualification or appeal. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, I totally get that. What I don't get, though, is the changes being constantly reversed back and forth when there is probably a 99% chance that the medal will be awarded. We could in theory have some obscure team claim their first ever medal and potentially a dozen people arriving here over a short period of time making a change which they honestly feel needs to be made, with somebody persistently reversing them over and again. I personally don't see it as such a big deal to possibly cause an edit war, not over something which will likely be clarified anyway within minutes or maybe an hour. I don't understand where this "policy" comes from - a consensus I can understand, but policy? It's worth noting that there would be dozens of reputable media outlets publishing stories and updated tables as soon as somebody wins something and I feel that is sufficient enough to effectively cite the edits (supposing we needed to do that, which we don't). Anyway, I don't care either way to be honest, I just don't want to see petty edit wars over something so pedantic, and particularly a table which is completely unofficial anyway. I guess this isn't a forum and the question is answered, and thank you. Mere Mortal (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Most of this would be solved by semi-protection. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I requested this but it has been denied, apparently because it's not IPs or unconfirmed users. So we're stuck with this problem for the rest of the Games. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:58, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A second request has been accepted. Problem half-solved. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:36, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So we are left with two different articles saying different things. Deb (talk) 19:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Medal Table

My edit to the correct the tally for GBR was reverted c.12 hours ago, is still incorrect, and now I incorrectly have a 'vandalism' note against my name! I believe the table here should exactly reflect that at https://www.rio2016.com/en - It does not. Annoying, to say the least. PuzzleScot (talk) 12:01, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've undone the unjustified reversion. I can't see where you are being accused of vandalism. I also can't understand your post at User talk:MelanieN#Rio 2016 Medal Counts. where you talk of being banned from editing 2016 Summer Olympics medal table. Editing is open to any autoconfirmed user, so you should be able to edit it. Thanks for pointing out the error. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank-you. Perhaps I misunderstood a message when attempting to undo the reversion. Reading again, it appears the semi-protected status (not specifically referring to me) was made due to vandalism. PuzzleScot (talk) 15:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is common practice at this article to not include bronze medals until the entire event is complete. That is why your edit was reverted. If you don't like it, discuss it above rather than keep changing it after being told not to. Smartyllama (talk) 13:04, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Who are you accusing of "keep changing it"? and "old not to" by what authority? PuzzleScot (talk) 15:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Which event don't you believe is complete? --David Biddulph (talk) 13:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Men's light heavyweight boxing - both semifinal losers get bronzes, but the final isn't until today. Smartyllama (talk) 13:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Seems strange that https://www.rio2016.com/en regard the bronzes as having been finalised & we don't, but if editors here want to do it differently they can do, I suppose. It would have been wise for the editor who reverted PuzzleScot to have explained why. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:22, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The IOC considers their medal as finalised, therefore so should we. I can understand not attributing a medal to someone who has an unassailable lead (eg, Giles Scott in the finn sailing this year), but however the IOC lists it, so whould wikipedia. PuzzleScot (talk) 15:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@PuzzleScot: There's already an ongoing discussion above - discuss it there if you want. We don't need this discussion in two different places. Smartyllama (talk) 16:04, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Finland has a medal

Just FYI: Mira Potkonen/Finland has a bronze in the women's lightweight boxing event, and their medal hasn't been edited into the table for over a day now. Might want to add them soon! 108.18.231.201 (talk) 02:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with Finland?

Why their bronze medal (Mira Potkonen Boxing Women's lightweight August 17) not indicated in the table? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.192.111.202 (talk) 04:11, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • The reason is, that although the bronze medals are decided, the gold and silver have not been decided, and the medals are not yet awarded (see discussion above). When that happens, Finland's bronze will be entered on the table. Ptilinopus (talk) 11:21, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2016


GB is currently at 56, China is at 58

62.254.107.101 (talk) 12:44, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kyrgyzstan is not officially moved out of the table yet

According to the official site, Kyrgyzstan is still in the table and Colombia bronze medalist in this weightlifting event is not counted too. Also, Moldovan canoe sprint sportsman has been taken away his bronze medal in favor of the Russian 4-placed canoeist to become a bronze medalist almost immediately after their race. This change is immediately reflected in the link above. I suggest to keep accordance to the official site, even though there are sometimes some disagreements or bugs of duplicating entries observed.--Waylesange (talk) 12:54, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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