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Terminology Error in Into
I think that the '80 UN nations' who have intergrated the UN Convention into their law did so into their 'DOMESTIC' law, not their 'municipal' law. I don't know how to make that change.
Gujarat,India, Genocide
In India, 2002, Gujarat State Goverment sponsered Genocide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.5.6 (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
No they didn't, I was in India at the time, and I didn't hear of any killings or genocides or anything like that.
wrong kill muslim in gujrat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.224.76.3 (talk) 16:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Hitler Quote
Wikipedia has an article about the Armenian quote which raises significant doubts about the authenticity of the boxed quote. For this reason the quote was not accepted as evidence at the Nuremberg Trials and may not be sufficiently reliable for this article. Cariaso (talk) 17:42, 4 October 2011 (UTC) I will remove it since it is shown as a fact in the article.--Abbatai 19:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
wishing for a list of genocides --at least 20th century and later
sought a clickable list. found none. maybe soe day. Cramyourspam (talk) 03:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
An article needs to be made for the genocide operations commited by the Japanese military. That's not something that should be looked over given how the atrocities played out. Not that one should judge them in an emotional factor, but still. It's worth referancing.
I think this article should include a new article of some of the mass killings Japan commited during the war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 00:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
- We should add Eurabia as a white European deliberate genocide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.97.71.223 (talk) 10:57, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
The fight against islamistic terrorism, an actual genocide?
Most of them, that will read this text come from USA or other western countries. I think that the first reaction will be a declination, but i hope that you try to think about this thought, even if you have another opinion.
I think that some parts of genocide still fits to the war against the islamic terrorism:
- Stage 1. The people were divided into us (usa, western world, the good one) and them (the Islamics, Terrorists, Arabic).
- Stage 2. There was much hate speech (especially at the beginning).
- Stage 3. Guantanamo (People treated as animals). Or do you remember the soldier that "fucked" a skull of an dead "terrorist"?
- Stage 4. The greatest reason for the war was the fight against islamic terrorism and soldiers got trained to kill them.
- Stage 5. Propaganda from politicians and media...
- Stage 6. People that looked like islamic or arabic people were threated different by officers, at airports, by other people, ...
- Stage 7. When will the war stop? When all are exterminated?
- Stage 8. USA or the western world will never say that they did a genocide (and much people that will read this, too).
In my opinion this should be mentioned, especially because its actual! How do you think about it?
Please! No Profanity!Ajsfaiiedfjaf (talk) 05:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- not sure who wrote the above, but in reply: it is not appropriate to call the west's actions genocide in this case since it does not aim to wipe out the entire muslim people --as a whole. arguably some of the west's actions were awful, but genocide has the additional extra element of: trying to kill off a whole race or other group. to be fair, it might be worth recalling that the west actually tried with military means and other methods to stop an actual attempted regional genocide against muslims: the ethnic cleansing being done to the bosnian muslims in the 1990s. sometimes the USA et al put their lives on the line to protect followers of islam. sometimes. cheers. Cramyourspam (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- I wrote it and it is just a thought. But Wikipedia says this: Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group..." So you have to be wrong in saying, that the intention to kill all of this group is necessary for a genocide, or the Wikipedia is wrong.
No, the "in part" was added just to make it clear that even if a group kills another group, but misses one person, the act can still be classified as genocide. Otherwise a group killing off another group will not be classified with genocide because they did not kill all of them. If the "in part" did not exist, then the entire group would have to be killed before the UN could respond and classify that as genocide. Otherwise it would be a crime against humanity, for which the punishment or the charges are not nearly as bad. If you want verification from me, remember, I majored in Global Issues, a bunch of that stuff, some Astrophysics and Nuclear physics, etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajsfaiiedfjaf (talk • contribs) 05:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Etymology
The references 14, 15, about the Armenian Genocide are unrelated, the sentence "killings of Christian Population" is false, since Armenians were not the only Christians in Ottoman Empire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.248.140.221 (talk) 01:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, they were not the only Christian population being targeted. Greeks and Assyrians were as well. For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide Vmelkon (talk) 01:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Vmelkon, UN does not consider Armenian relocation prosess as a genocide . Even today armenian relocation/genocide is highly disputed . For Greeks and Assyrians , many Assyrian and Greek historians disagree with the term genocide .Sadly, genocide word is highly politicized nowadays . we cannot call every tragic event between two nations a genocide just because we dont like a country or its people . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.16.7 (talk) 22:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- As you can see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_recognition#International_organisations the UN recognized it in 1985. If you read the beginning of this whole topic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide), you will see that Rafael Lemkin, the creator of the term genocide, was trying to describe what was happening to the Armenians and then to the Jews. This is not the place to discuss denial of the Armenian Genocide, if you want to, do so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_denial — Preceding unsigned comment added by99.240.211.235(talk) 19:54, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Image of genocide inappropriate
Why is the image of a concentration camp used to represent genocide? It says in its caption "It was not a killing zone" so it is actually proving my point. Maybe for a labor camp, a slave camp, article but it is not representative of "genocide." Far more representative pictures are available. One solution would be also to have no image to avoid what i see as a certain bias prevalent on wikipedia. --41.177.75.39 (talk) 07:58, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
To address request for a source for completion of ICTY and the ICTR
To address request for a source for completion of ICTY and the ICTR which is embedded in the section heading and not a suitable place for a citation:
- "Moreover, trial work is expected to be finished by June 2012 and appeals work is on track to be completed by the end of 2014." (Address to the United Nations Security Council by Judge Khalida Rachid Khan, President of the ICTR, - Six monthly Report on the Completion Strategy of the ICTR 7 December 2011.
- "The ICTY branch of the Residual Mechanism will begin operating on 1 July 2013" (Completing the ICTY’s work: the Residual Mechanism) and Graph in Completion Strategy page 45.
-- PBS (talk) 11:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Another school of thought on genocide
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Another school of thought on genocide has come from the black intellectual tradition, mostly in the United States. In 1951 William Patterson, acting as National Executive Secretary of the Civil Rights Congress, along with a delegation of fellow activists, went to the United Nations secretary general to charge the United States government with genocide. With We Charge Genocide: The Historic Petition to the United Nations for Relief from a Crime of the United States Government Against the Negro People, Patterson and his delegation took full advantage of the new human rights discourses being produced in the wake of World War II and the Holocaust to seek remedy for centuries of slavery, Jim Crow, lynching, and the pre-mature deaths of millions of black Americans.[1] In his 2008 book, Never Meant to Survive: Genocide and Utopias in Black Diaspora Communities, Anthropologist João H. Costas Vargas argues decades later that, according to the UN definition of genocide, the term must still be used to describe anti-black racism in the United States. With the destruction of black bodies, culture, and reproduction as the modern nation-state's imperative, Vargas argues, "the degrees of infrahumanity according to which Black communities exist and against which they resist only attest to the continuity of modernity's genocidal impetus." [2] Michelle Alexander's groundbreaking study of race in the criminal justice system in the United States, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, suggests the usefulness of the term genocide to describe the mass incarceration of black and brown people in the United States since the end of the Jim Crow era. Arguing that the War on Drugs has stripped the citizenship rights of more black Americans than slavery itself, Alexander defines genocide both as cultural destruction but reconsiders death in the context of the loss of citizenship rather than merely the ending of a life.[3] While the charge of genocide against black America has not been picked up by mainstream legal and international human rights discourses, a burgeoning group of scholars and activists are applying the phrase to slavery, Jim Crow, mass incarceration, and urban poverty, and calling attention to the racialization of pre-mature death in the United States and abroad.
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I think that the three paragraphs listed above may be suitable for a topic specific article, but to include three paragraphs here in a section called "Criticisms of the CPPCG and other definitions of genocide" gives undue weight to what is a minority point of view. -- PBS (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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i was wondering if any of you have had a surge done without you knowing on a ge radiology machine? I had surgery 98 and have not been the same since to no fault of my own. I feel torn apart.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shelleytaylor13 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Abortion is genocide
I think that abortion should be put on here
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