Talk:Jade Goody

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Middle names

As much as Jade would like us to believe her middle name is Cerisha, its actually Koresha. Do a search on 192.com or Companies House and it will come up with "Jade Koresha Lorraine Goody". Motwu (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Not one single Google hit for Jade Koresha Goody; if you can find a reference, post it. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 15:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

And I've also checked armadillo.co.uk. They seem to be the only source of hundreds saying this, so the inference is that perhaps they've made a mistake. Considering they've also mis-spelled my own name, I'm not surprised. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 16:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

"Elitist"?

The first paragaph accuses her of making elitist comments. What kind of elite can that be? Wikipedia defines an elite as "a select group of people with outstanding personal abilities, ...". Maproom (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

POV Clean up needed

Wow, lots of POV issues here. It's really written in an anti Goody tone. Also, look at the rankings at the bottom, none of them are particularly nice, but wasn't she also voted the "fourth most influential person in Britain" or something along those lines before she went into the celebrity version. Clear cherry picking of negative info. — Realist² 05:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I've done some cleanup, would editors remember that this isn't a joke. Our work can be copied by other publications as fact. We could play a part in potentially damaging someones fucking image. — Realist² 07:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Polls removed until the section can be displayed in a neutral manner

• In 2003, a poll taken by Channel 4, revealed that Goody came fourth in the 100 Worst Britons poll.
• In October 2006, Jade was named the seventh richest "Chav" celebrity after the like of Victoria Beckham and Wayne Rooney.
• In December 2007, a poll taken by Now magazine, says that Goody is the third most pointless celebrity, after Celebrity Big Brother 2006 winner Chantelle Houghton and Paris Hilton.
• In 2008, according to a poll taken by the Daily Record, Goody was voted by the readers, the number one person that they would least like to have dinner with, next to Pete Doherty.

— Realist² 06:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

As regards Goody's image, she's hardly a role model for, well, anything, really except how to make something (I'm not sure what, however) out of not much. It has to be said that she hasn't done herself many favours, but then, she didn't really have much raw material to work with. As for the Polls listed above, I'm not sure they shouldn't just be cast on the scrapheap; they look on the face of them to be trashy tabloid stuff, and therefore unlikely to be reliable sources. What tabloid readers think of this or that celebrity is neither here nor there, in encyclopedic terms. As for her reputation, she is the architect of that. She's got people around her who no doubt tell her stuff like "any publicity is good publicity", and I'm sure she's made money out of the bad publicity too. I doubt if this article can ever be neutral, simply because, well, neither can its subject be. You is what you is, and you get what you get. --Rodhullandemu 01:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Agree entirely, but we can point out her...character flaws... without turning into a tabloid ourselves. There is nothing wrong with writing the cold hard truth just as long as it's done in a manner that is disconnected. As long as "we" aren't saying it and we respect the core of basic human dignity (yes, she is a human being) and don't seem to enjoy making a mockery of her. Avoiding undue weight and tabloids is a good start. — Realist² 02:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

She's a quadroon

Can anyone justify why the description of Jade's father was changed from the specific mulatto to the vague 'mixed race'? It is verified fact that he had a negro father and a white mother. Therefore he is correctly classified as a mulatto - that is the anthropologically correct term. The only excuse for changing it that I can think of is that the term is considered by some to be 'politically incorrect'. However, actually correct outweighs 'politically correct', and Wikipedia is not censored. Removing a specific term which definitely applies, and replacing it with a vague term, is a form of censorship; thereby against Wikipedia policy. Therefore, her father's description should be reverted to mulatto. Werdnawerdna (talk) 16:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

She was involved in a high-profile race row, in which many people, and some media sources, wrongly classified her as white. That, along with the fact that a large number of people still believe she is white and are unaware that she's a quadroon, makes the need to clarify her extraction as accurately as possible even more important. Werdnawerdna (talk) 16:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Anthropology is irrelevant here. I don't describe myself as "Caucasian", and neither does anyone else. The term "mulatto" I haven't heard used in over forty years, likewise "quadroon". Race is these days a more subtle concept that mere labelling; it's also a matter of self-identification; myriad government forms now require the completer to select their race from a list. The term "mulatto", however, as well as being outdated, is not generally accepted as a self-reference these days, and for us to apply it without a very reliable source is not only forbidden original research, but also in the circumstances, does not represent a neutral point of view. It should remain as "mixed-race", which is both sourced AND neutral. --Rodhullandemu 16:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Anthropologists almost definitely avoid using such simplistic terms nowadays anyway so saying it's anthropologically correct is highly misleading Nil Einne (talk) 09:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

New health prognosis

I would just like to say that since Jade's prognosis has taken a turn for the worse (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7869090.stm), could people here remain respectful. I know that Miss Goody has been somewhat of a controversial character for some time, but please refrain from editing this article in a disrespectful way. Thank you. Sky83 (talk) 09:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Why? Facts are facts. As long as its encyclopaedic and neutral - kid gloves are not necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.104.140 (talk) 19:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to the morons who abuse someone on here. They believe it's okay because they can hide behind their computers. Facts are fine, abuse is not. It shouldn't be tolerated at any time, least of all when someone is terribly ill.Sky83 (talk) 19:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. This part of policy is worth reading, and if there's any disruption, the article will be protected for as long as necessary. --Rodhullandemu 20:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

First moron (IP address 81.99.228.20) has now stated that they hope Miss Goody dies. Would anybody support a protection on her article? I see this happening repeatedly if the animals are allowed out of their cages. Sky83 (talk) 11:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

 Done --Rodhullandemu 14:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :). I'm not a huge fan of Miss Goody, I just can't stand the lack of morals some people have when putting their 'opinions' across. Sky83 (talk) 14:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect date

Date referenced to latest cancer prognosis is incorrect [79][80] - This date should be 4th February 2009 and not 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bru tkd (talk • contribs) 10:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

You're right, it wasn't me who wrote the sentence, but I have changed the date. Sky83 (talk) 10:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

"Businesswoman"?

Jade is classified by this article as a business woman, is that category merited? Does she spend a significant amount of time proactivly managing her assets? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.134.195 (talk) 22:04, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

"Also in October 2008, Jade opened her second beauty salon named "Homme Fatel", catering exclusively for men.[67]"; she's also had more money than I am likely to make, from her Fitness videos. I'd say that puts her into the category. --Rodhullandemu 22:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Considering her lack of intelligence, I guess she only puts her name to her products and ventures, whilst other people come up with the ideas and work out the financial and logistical side of things. Hence, she can be classified as a businesswoman, despite probably doing very little work. If someone can prove what I just wrote, that can be added, but I guess the people involved keep the details quiet, due to the £millions that are being made. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 11:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying very hard to remember how many fitness videos were made by Alan Sugar, Clive Sinclair and Richard Brandson, I'm not sure but I think the total was none. Facetiousness aside, making money alone is not sufficient to be considered a business person! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.134.195 (talk) 06:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's ever been suggested that she is a tycoon or a mogul; however, the lady at the end of my road who runs her own shop might be considered a "businesswoman", and this would appear to be so even if she merely sits back and takes the profits generated by her employees- her name is on the books. Without more detail of Goody's legal relationship with her salon or fitness videos, it's difficult to tell; however, if I had any assets which could generate income, I think I'd capitalise on them, pay tax on the revenue, and I think that would make me a businessman. However, is there a generally accepted definition of the boundary between being, and not being, a "businessman"? I doubt it. --Rodhullandemu 18:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Successful multi-millionaire - how?!

Prior to appearing on Big Brother in 2002, she was unknown. For the first couple of weeks or so of the show, she was generally hated by housemates, viewers and the media. She quite narrowly avoided being evicted, and her housemates could not understand how she managed to repeatedly avoid being voted out by viewers. She was undoubtledy a hate figure at first, yet it there is no attempt to explain on the article how she managed to turn the viewers in her favour, and get to the final. Also strange and unexplained is her continued presence in the media for the six and a half years since the series ended, when the vast majority of BB housemates are forgotten about within months. For millions of people, it is very difficult to understand the popularity of someone who has no positive qualities, and whose only entertainment value is her extreme lack of knowledge. Kate Lawler, who won the same series (and hence was more significantly more popular at the time) that brought Jade to the public attention, is both likeable and very attractive (Jade is the opposite of both), yet Kate has not had half the media attention or financial success that Jade has. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 12:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Jade was spectacularly unpopular with the public for most of the third season, however she wasn't actually nominated for eviction until very late in the run.

P.S. doesn't "Multi-Millionaire" rather put the lie to the belief that the Goody Cancer Road-Show(tm) is just to make money for her kids? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.134.195 (talk) 06:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

In respect to the above, this Wikipedia article is not the place for us to be passing judgement on her motives for remaining in the public eye after her cancer diagnosis. --Footix2 (talk) 13:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

It is the place to discuss why the media and such a large proportion of the British public have remained so interested in her continuously for over 6 years. She has been on the front of national newspapers, magazines etc hundreds of times - how that has happened is something that the article has yet to address. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 19:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes I agree with that, it does need addressed but it has to come with neutraility. There are several factors - the British love of an underdog, her rather colourful personality, some clever career choices, some scandals, a good publicist and sadly what will be a very tragic demise. Watching her life has been like passing a car crash, you dont want to look but cant help it.--Footix2 (talk) 12:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Siblings?

Did either of her parents ever have any other children? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 12:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

As mentioned here, Jade: I'll visit my estranged dad's grave she has estranged brothers. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Parents

Have either of her parents ever been married? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 12:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Perfume

The statement that Jade Goody's second perfume has yet to appear is out of date. The Perfume Shop's website says it is available and that it was launched in 2008. I didn't want to edit without finding another source, as I am not sure if a link to a seller's website is appropriate. Any ideas?javascript:insertTags('Johnstaf (talk) 04:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)',,)

Criticisms

Should not a section be created in the main articles that acknowledges the full extend of critisims leveled against her. Or at the very least showing the love hate relationship she has with the media, particularly dealing with the extremes in the media, i.e. the tabliods either praising her or the colomists looking down at her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt4k (talk • contribs) 21:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

No, criticism sections are discouraged. — R² 18:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Even if a separate criticism section isn't needed, the fact is that she is notorious for having received a huge amount of criticism from the media and the general public. As such, more of the criticism she received should be worked into the article. The article does not adequately mention the massive negative reception from the public during the time she was in the BB house in 2002, owing to her appalling behaviour in there. Since the Shetty incidents, Goody became known in India, and Gordon Brown was dragged into the media circus around the clash between Goody and Shetty. Since 2002, Goody has polarised media and public opinion, with millions of people having strong views on her, whether negative, positive or ambiguous. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 19:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I dont think she was hugely unpopular in BB3, in fact there was something of a ground swell of support for her in the face of what some percieved as mild bullying. Of course an accusation later levelled at her in the Shilpa Shetty saga. Her popularity in the latter stages of BB3 was certainly fuelled by the media (tabloid newspapers), her growing unopularity seemed to be also fuelled by this. The Shipla Shetty saga simply became a tabloid fuelled bandwagon, in much the same way the recent Ross/Brand affair seemed to snowball away. She polarises opinion so much we have to be careful to maintain neutrality IMO. --Footix2 (talk) 12:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Education

Much has been said by the media, the general public, and her, about how uneducated she is. Does anyone know where she went to school, if she attended regularly and when she left? Her qualifications, if any, should be mentioned. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 17:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Jack Tweed

His own article?

Has a separate article for Tweed ever been created? Does his engagement to Goody, his appearance on CBB 2007, and the media attention he has received, make him notable enough for his own article? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 17:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

No I wouldn't think it would. Notability is not heritable. Check Suri Cruise (Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' daughter) for an example. She is certainly more internationally well-known that Jack Tweed and her link redirects to TomKat (the article on the two of them). There are many cases where someone is known because they are related to someone famous or because they are with someone famous; most don't have their own articles. People are notble for what they do not what their partners do. Check WP:N for more information. :) fr33kman -s- 21:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Placed level 4 heading

Hello, in a "drive-by edit" I have placed a level 4 heading around Jack Tweed's section of Miss Goody's Relationship section to enhance readability. I have also linked his section in the CBB article (see: CBB 2007, and the diff of my edit made there) pointing back to the new level 4 heading. Bye, fr33kman -s- 21:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Redirect

Should we move the redirect for Jack Tweed to this article instead (and move the majority of his info here)? Currently it links to Celebrity Big Brother w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 23:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

 Done I would say that it makes sense to change the redirect to #REDIRECT[[Jade Goody#Jack Tweed]] for two reasons; a) he is best known for his relationship with Miss Goody and only appeared in CBB because of this, and b) his section in the CBB 2007 article now points to his section in this article. I have done this under WP:BOLD.  Not done have not moved his information here as it more correctly belongs in the CBB article as it relates to what he did on that program. You could copy some of it here, but probably not needed. fr33kman -s- 18:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Length of relationship

When did Goody and Tweed's relationship begin? Their miscarried baby was conceived in late March / early April 2007. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 13:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Relationships

Is she known to have had personal relationships with anyone other than Brazier and Tweed? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 17:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I had a look and apparently, she did have a short relationship with someone called Ryan Amoo (after the split with Brazier and before meeting Tweed), who apparently is/was a footballer. It's not significant enough to add into the article though and that's all I could find. Sky83 (talk) 10:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Goody and Amoo lived together; Amoo has his own article, which mentions their former relationship. Therefore it is important enough to be included in this article, which it now is. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 00:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

County of wedding

Down Hall country house considers itself to be in Hertfordshire. Geographically, Hatfield Heath lies on the border of Hertfordshire and Essex, so it is entirely possible and (given the claim by the venue) even likely that while Hatfield Heath itself is considered, for most intents and purposes, to be in Essex, that the country house is in Hertfordshire. I had a short discussion with another editor about this, and we came to the conclusion that for the time being, the fairest way to describe it was Down Hall, Hatfield Heath, leaving out the county (so not designating the venue to be somewhere it claims it is not, while linking to the Hatfield Heath page to explain that the place is over the border). It would technically be correct to describe Down Hall as in both Hertfordshire and Essex so this seemed a better and less complicated way to display the details. Sky83 (talk) 08:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

In response to Nietzsche 2's edit summary ("both Hatfield Heath and Down Hall are wholly in Essex, the statements of it being in Herts are false; needs to be stated on article for clarification"), The Wikipedia inclusion threshold is verifiability, not truth. We need a source to confirm that Down Hall is in Essex – and I've yet to see one. Until then, it's just original research. Cycle~ (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

That many people consider Down Hall and / or Hatfield Heath to be in Hertfordshire does not make it true. The fact is that they are both wholly in Essex, which maps prove - that's why this article should state the location as Essex. This an encyclopedia, so we should be stating the truth. We should not state Herts just because many people have said it is there, nor censor the county because of confusion. Neither DH nor HH are on the border between the two counties, they are both clearly, wholly, within Essex - there is a significant gap between them and the border. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 18:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Please check out the Down Hall website. There is a very valid dispute on this. I initially believed the place to be in Essex myself, but my mother, who actually did use to live on the border was the one who questionned it with me. Upon checking it out, there is a general debate about where it is, both Herts and Essex appear to be claiming it. It is not for us to decide where it is, which is why it is better to state just Hatfield Heath. You're right, we should be stating the truth, but the truth here is very much questionable. For the time being, I feel it is much better to leave the county off as it avoids the edit dispute you have started. Sky83 (talk) 18:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I think Hatfield Heath being in Essex is correct. People may get confused with nearby city called Hatfield, Hertfordshire (I live there). The location of Hatfield Heath is near Harlow, which is clearly in Essex w.tanoto-soegiri (talk) 18:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The confusion over that was muted by linking to the Hatfield Heath article. As Cycle~ said, the onus on this article is to prove where the wedding is, and that is Down Hall, Hatfield Heath. The Hatfield Heath article can prove where Hatfield Heath is, not Down Hall. Sky83 (talk) 18:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering if this phrasing might help end this: ....at Down Hall country house in Hatfield Heath, on the border of Hertfordshire and Essex..... Since the article on Hatfield Heath actually states that the village sits on the border of Hertfordshire and Essex, this could be a decent compromise if there is an insistence on a county being included. Anyone agree? Sky83 (talk) 18:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

or we could state that Down Hall is near Hatfield Heath, as suggested by Dubmill? Sky83 (talk) 18:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

My sources are AA close-up Britain road atlas (book) and Google maps (online); used together they are unambiguous about DH and HH both being in Essex. The confusion with Hatfield, Hertfordshire, a separate, but much larger, settlement miles away confuses things further. Linking to Hatfield Heath does not solve the dispute - DH is near to, but not actually in, HH. As HH is near to (but not on) the border, it leads people to wonder whether DH is over the border into Herts. The HH article does not mention DH. Many people will come to this article in order to find out which county the marriage is due to take place in, which is why I feel the article should clearly state Essex. I did not start the debate over the county, and will not edit war over it on the article. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 18:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

My suggestion is that the following wording be used: 'Down Hall near Hatfield Heath, Essex'. Firstly this is more accurate than saying 'in Hatfield Heath', since Down Hall is situated in open country a mile or so south of the small village of Hatfield Heath. Secondly this avoids the confusion with Down Hall's declared statement that they are in Hertfordshire. That statement is not correct in my opinion, but the above wording avoids any argument over that, as well as clarifying the location of Hatfield Heath, which is not in dispute. Dubmill (talk) 19:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I honestly feel that your phrasing, Dubmill, is extremely fair and accurate, all things considered. I've lived in Hertfordshire before now and a lot of places are like this in that area of the country (and probably other areas too). They are put under the banner of the nearest town, village, city etc, but sometimes they can be quite some distance away. This seems to be one of those cases. Sky83 (talk) 19:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Surely we should be taking the statement of the establishment itself that it is Hertfordshire as the defintive source? --Footix2 (talk) 19:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Not if the statement is incorrect. I'd wager the confusion, as Sky83 hints, stems from the POSTAL TOWN for the postcode CM22 7AS being Bishops Stortford, which is of course in Hertfordshire (do a postcode search on the Royal Mail site and you will see what I mean). I suspect that, as a result of that, Down Hall either believe (mistakenly) that they actually ARE in Herts, or they have decided to go with it on their website in order to avoid conflict with their postal address. Dubmill (talk) 19:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The CM postcode area (named after Chelmsford in the middle of Essex) extends into Herts, which adds even more confusion! Nietzsche 2 (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Article needs reshuffle

The article shouldn't be split between her career and person life, all the information should be presented in a chronological order. Split into dated subsections. — R² 14:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

It would be very difficult, if not impossible, to do that. Many of the things in the article do not have dates on them, or only vague dates. It still isn't stated in the article when each of the three personal relationships of hers began and ended. We would need that info before even considering it. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 20:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Perception of Goody outside UK

How much coverage has she received abroad, and what is the tone of it? In particular, how is she perceived in India, where she received attention from early 2007 onwards? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 03:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Would you quit with the personal comments please? There was no need for that final comment (which I've just removed). — R² 09:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

CBB

Clashes with Shetty

It should be pointed out in the Celebrity Big Brother section that (at least some of) her clashes with Shetty were (perceived by many to be) class / upbringing / intelligence / educational level-based. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 03:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Did she actually deny any wrongdoing?

Because I thought she apologised straight away, both in the house and outside, admitting virtually instantly that she had been wrong. Can anyone remember? Because I'm inclined to remove that section of the lead because I am almost certain it was O'Meara who denied wrongdoing and not Goody or Lloyd. Sky83 (talk) 10:53, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the lead gives an inaccurate account of her response, during and after CBB. She definitely admitted her behavior was unacceptable, after Davina showed her the footage, I remember that vividly. — R² 10:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I have had a quick look around the article about the 'incident' on here and other articles externally, and I've reworded it. She did apologise in the house and outside, her eviction interview being the first occurance of this. The more I read that point, the more it seemed incorrect and almost POV-ish. Sky83 (talk) 11:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

For the large majority of her time in the house, Goody seemed to believe she was entirely in the right. It was only towards the end of her stay there that she accepted her behaviour was wrong. Even then, it seemed to be more because she feared a negative reaction from the viewers and general public, than a genuine acceptance that what she said and how she said it was bad and unnecessary. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 21:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

But that's your anti-Goody bias speaking, we have no idea what was going on in her head. — R² 22:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

£millions

The infobox used to state how large her fortune is. Does anyone have a good idea of how much money she has? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 13:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Her lifetime earnings were cited to be between £2 million and £8 million by this point.[27][28][29] - This was back in 2007. Safe to say, in 2009, we are looking at £5-10 million. Not bad for someone who came 4th in Big Brother. — R² 14:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Salons

The Comeback section briefly mentions her second salon, but the only mention of the first is later down the page, in the Television appearances section. Are both salons still in existence? If so, who is running them now? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 15:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe her 1st salon, Ugly, closed down: http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17592639&method=full&siteid=93463&headline=ugly-jade-shop-goes-bust--name_page.html --Footix2 (talk) 23:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Ugly's did close, it is now an estate agency apparently. Sky83 (talk) 20:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Fans

It would be useful to add what it is about her that has managed to gain her so many fans. Many of those who like her, or side with her, root for her because they want to see a real underdog do well. Her extremely deprived upbringing, being severely neglected by both her parents and having so little knowledge and ability put her at a major disadvantage in life. Many fans believe that if she can make so much (money and fame) out of nothing, then it gives them hope that they can do the same thing themselves. I gather that the large majority of her fans are young females; do many of her fans actually identify with her; see themselves as being similar to her? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 20:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that a potential section of this nature would be at all helpful, other than to give 'people' a chance to say that they believe she apparently has no qualities that would make her a role model. I could be wrong about this comment, but there is a shocking anti-Goody bias sneaking into this talk page lately and I suspect that creating a section (or even a few sentences) supposedly about her role model aspects is another way of pushing an agenda into the article itself. Sky83 (talk) 20:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention the fact that it would be extremely difficult to reliably back up any theories or assumptions or even statements about her fanbase. And this goes to both the demographic and the motivation of said demographic. Sky83 (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I have to say, I share Nietzche 2's curiosity. What does she do? Neither talent nor effort reliably lead to the rewards that Jade has enjoyed (Media attention, Bank balance, etc.) To pick three media figures from the top of my head; Princess Diana became famous by marrying the heir to the British Throne, Fern Britton followed a reasonably normal path into TV presenting, Amy Winehouse is considered to be a talented singer, Maureen from driving school was a bad driver and Jack The Ripper mutilated prostitutes in odd ways... What put and kept Jade in the media spot light? What has been her career path? Jade's fame itself is noteworthy for being apparently unfathomable. So, is it a Max Clifford production, or is it a love of the under-dog, or is it (as Nietzsche 2 suggested) that many people feel that their only chance of "success" is to be the next Jade. Whatever the reason is, it might say a great deal about the current social state of the UK.

I also note that the article doesn't mention that she at one point worked as a dental nurse (AFAIK a position that does not require a professional qualification in the UK.) nor that she was the first Big Brother contestant to later become a millionaire. Scruffy brit (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)