Talk:Automatic train protection

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Clarify

Is Automatic train protection a generic term or does it refer to a specific system in (a) specific country/countries? If specific, please name them. If generic: Why is there a lenghty section about a specific equipment (Ericsson) in the article? --Qualle (talk) 09:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Versions in other countries?

I only know about the British system, hence this article only discussing that. Sorry! Dan100 (Talk) 21:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Compared to the rest of the article, I find the technical description is not too detailed, a more detailed one can be found in: http://www.railway-technical.com/sigtxt2.html . Regarding the name, I have worked with Madrid Metro, and ATP (they use the English abbreviation) is running on all their lines. It isn’t just the British system, I understand it is used in many Metro systems in different countries. It is a generic name.--Inigo75 14:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have no idea what you're talking about.

The current version seems to describe the british AWS system, which already has its own article. ATP is used to describe both the general system that is capable of automatically stopping a train that passes a restrictive signal, as well as specific implementations of this system, ranging from the subway style mechanical trip-stop to coded track circuits to fancy computerized systems. AWS is, incidentally, not a form of ATP since the driver can cancel the warning and keep going.

Generic article

I tried to create a generic article under Automatic train protection system, please help improving it. --Kabelleger 18:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clapham Junction rail crash and ATP

The Clapham Junction rear end collision was caused by a wrong-side failure and would not have been prevented by ATP.

Continuous and intermittent ATP

Is this newly added section more appropriate to the Train protection system article? Is it relevant to the UK model? Suckindiesel 20:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sailsbury?

I don't think this accident should be on the list - no speed-based system reliable enough for railway use could have been produced in 1906. We might as well say that Clayton Tunnel could have been prevented by track circuiting, or Mr Huskisson's death at Rainhill by conductor-operated pneumatic doors. To be honest, I think we'd be better off without the list altogether. Tevildo (talk) 16:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to write something similar, and then saw this comment. Is it not summed up by the phrase in the article "By the 1980s, microprocessors had developed sufficiently...." so by logic, anything before 1980 couldn't have been prevented! Rgds, --86.140.138.73 (talk) 01:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salisbury(1906) does of course pre-date electronics, but it is the sort of accident that would have been prevented by ATP, had ATP existed. Since there are not a lot of accidents to refer to, it is helpful to include the pre-ATP ones, so as to boost the numbers. Tabletop (talk) 11:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]