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Andrey Fedorenko

For a player stub, either delete it or improve it, but DO NOT redirect it to the club page. Matthew_hk t c 15:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also for Albert Duro, Jérémie N'Jock, Vojislav Vranjković, Jean-Philippe Mendy, Ricardo Gomes Vilana, Liviu Hapaină, Dejan Rusmir, Nemanja Vasiljević, Eugeniu Cebotaru and Nemanja Vidaković. Matthew_hk t c 10:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Next time call for Football Project member to expand it or Afd it, like me. Matthew_hk t c 12:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In general, for sub-stubs where a larger article offers as much or more information as the sub stub, then IMHO redirecting to the larger article is a perfectly valid option. These articles would almost certainly fail AFD, because the people do qualify for notability. But as long as the page offers no real useful information, and the target page offers as much or more information, then I consider redirecting a valid option. I consider redirecting to be a less extreme option than deletion, even if deletion was a valid option. Redirecting leaves the page ready and easily restored by anyone ready to actually create a useful stub. Deletion makes what little information is there availible only to admins, even if the pages qualified for deletion, which these most likely do not. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agents of Oblivion

An article you deleted, Agents of Oblivion, may have been deleted in error. This band was created by Dax Riggs and Mike Sanchez from Acid Bath. If this information was included in the article then that is an assertion of notability (#6.Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable), making it not eligible for the speedy deletion category used. Reason for deletion: (A7 (group): Group/band/club/company/etc; doesn't indicate importance/significance) Duffbeerforme (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Restored. You made your poinjt well. - TexasAndroid (talk) 12:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for restoring this article. Can I also ask you to restore Agents of Oblivion (album) for the same reason. Duffbeerforme (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving of the entire Cat talk page ot an archive

Hello, just saw that you moved the entirety of the Talk:Cat page to an archive. While I understand that some of it may need archiving, it would be best to leave the more recent threads on the talk page. Can you look into it, please?--Ramdrake (talk) 18:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind: just saw you did just that. Thanks!--Ramdrake (talk) 18:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. There are two types of archiving, move and cut&paste. I do move archiving, which means I Move the page, taking the history with the archive, and then I have to rebuild the existing talk page by cut&pasting back what should remain. When you come into it in the middle of the effort, things look incomplete. :) - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

God sake

i left a message on the pages (User talk:ThatWikiGuy/gWatch.js, User talk:ThatWikiGuy/gwatch.js, User talk:ThatWikiGuy/iwt/de:User:Luxo/gwatch.js) that i also want the corrosponding page deleted too!!!! Are you a bot? – T W G 15:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Those did not make sense to me. I'll look at them a little more closely and try to figure out what you were wanting. - TexasAndroid (talk) 15:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you dumb or just a robot? Delete User:ThatWikiGuy/gWatch.js, User:ThatWikiGuy/gwatch.js, User:ThatWikiGuy/iwt/de:User:Luxo/gwatch.js. – T W G 15:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Please read WP:CIVIL. There is no call for being abusive to someone who is just trying to assist you. - TexasAndroid (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that. Have this;

– T W G has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

– T W G 15:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template talk:Year in baseball

Hi there. As one of the first editors to this template I would like to see what you think of my preposition on the templates talk page. Thanks ·Ãḍď§ђɸŗЄ· ^Talk 21:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removing category, High Schools in North Carolina

Just wondering, why are you removing all these schools from this category? (I'm sure there's a reason I'm missing out on.) Thanks! A13ean (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because I'm putting them into the more specific category for the city, and the "HS in city" category is in the "HS in state" category. With a few exceptions, articles are not supposed to be in both a category and any parent/grandparent of that category. - TexasAndroid (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense, thanks! A13ean (talk) 12:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Galaxyangelnew

Please read my closing comment. Thanks for blocking the two users and answering the report. Yechiel (Shalom) 23:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry to trouble you again, but a new account was created by the same puppeteer: User:Newonces and is continuing the hoax. MythSearcher^talk 12:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

War on UFO article, Talk page

Got a literal war going on here. 65.173.105.243 (talk) 21:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

revert redirect on Musicstation

Hi TA,

I would like to request unprotection for the cashU page, it's an online payment solution like Moneybookers or Paybycash, heavily used in the Middle East.

--slashgod (talk) 3:58 22 June 22 2008 (IST)

You had four different admins delete it. At no point did you provide an article that came anywhere close to meeting the requirements of WP:CORP or WP:V. At this point I'm not inclined to give you a fifth try at it. There is, however, another option for you. You can create a version of the article in your user space, likely at User:slashgod/CashU. Once you get it to a point where it meets the criteria in the links I gave just above, you can petition to have the salting lifted at WP:DRV. Do be aware that you will need to provide reliable, independant, non-trivial references to establish the notability of the company. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seattle Knights deletion

I am unsure as to what I did wrong and was put on the speedy delete list. Pardon my "newness", but I was in the process of adding references and more information when the article was deleted. I believe that this acting troupe is VERY noteworthy (as any actors within wikipedia), it is not a club (as is the SCA - which is included in wikipedia). And the troupe has performed in many areas of the United States. (Some not yet listed in the article). I am still asking for help finishing this article from those more knowledgeable about the troupe. I would also welcome any help from the wikipedia administrators, as this is my first article. (I still can't figure out how to add pictures!) I copied this from my talk page to yours, because you seem very knowledgeable, and I have had no answers to the aforementioned questions. Have I added the correct type of information, now? (I am getting more. Some are newspaper articles, which I was unable to find, but I know are archived ). PSQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by PSQ (talk • contribs) 23:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help!

I'm dealing with a kiddie-wiki vandal bouncing back and forth between two accounts vandalizing the Buffalo Bill article. Left word on AIV, but there's a backlog and this idiot isn't giving up. Can you clobber him for me, please? Thanks! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thanks

Thanks for all your recent category edits on California articles. I think you're moving things in the right direction. Please keep up the good work. Stepheng3 (talk) 17:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. I do general city category sorting work, and work down the list at List of United States cities by population. I'm a bit over #100 for general places cleaned up. But every 3-6 months I go back over the higher population ones to sort out any articles that have crept into the city categories since I last visited. And, as usual, I often get onto tanget sorts like the San Francicso Bay area hospitals sorting I was doing a couple of hours back. :) - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

stop

excuse me . stop reverting my edits. you dont know fucking shit about Dan Cook. He is a redneck.75.8.83.150 (talk) 14:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And you need to provide sourcing/verification for your inflamitory accusations. - TexasAndroid (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have atleast 5 people that know that "event" took place '77. They saw that match. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.8.83.150 (talk) 14:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And your sourcing (that meets WP:RS) for this is.... what? People that you have met do not qualify. Anyone can say anything. I don't know if you are correct or making up a bunch of crap, and without proper sourcing, there is no way to know which it is. And without that, such potentially libelous material cannot remain in the articles. - TexasAndroid (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TexasAndroid, I have over 10 people that there were at that event in 1977. Btw, there are some things that alot of people might not know about Mr. Dan Cook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.71.34 (talk) 22:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, the people I interview , and met I have the interviews in recordings on tapes for your information 70.238.71.34 (talk) 22:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC). But if you dont want the "truth" on wikipedia then it I will keep till ...forver I guess.[reply]

Please Help Me

I don't understand why you deleted my page Homemade Jamz Blues Band, I understand the initial deletion based on the the requirement to show the significance of the group. My following edit added the fact that they are the youngest blues group to ever sign with a major label. That they are also the recipients of a number of pestigious awards.

I will also be adding the following in subsequent edits. The fact that they are so succesful at such a very young age makes thier acheivments extremely notable at the least. That they are making these inroads into a genre dominated by much older individuals is also extremely significant given thier young age. They are also pioneers in the creation of the instruments that they play which I intended to focus on in another article. Thier guitars are handmade out of automobile mufflers.

I checked an article on David Wilcox, and american folk singer and failed to see any info there as to why he would be significant.

I understand and very much appreciate the high standards of the wikipedia community, I just don't understand what type of significance your requiring for acceptance here.

Powertoaster (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Homemade Jamz Blues Band

Hello! Earlier today, you twice deleted articles submitted about the Homemade Jamz Blues Band. The second deletion caught my attention, because I was in the process of removing the Speedy Delete tag, since the article in question had citations concerning the band's notability.

I wanted to let you know that I did some Google snorkeling and came up with additional independent sources that confirmed the band's notability. A new article (a stub, actually) is now online. I hope this can be preserved and allowed to grow, as the band's notability can easily be confirmed. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Current version looks good enough from avoiding CSD. Sounds like we were just at bad timing with that last deletion. - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the deleted article did mention the band's appearance on NPR, which is why I was removing the Speedy Delete tag. In any event, I am glad this happened -- I never heard of the band before this and I think I may purchase their CD based on the music sampling I've heard online! Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Österreichs

Hi, I'm (mainly) editor in the German version of the Wikipedia and thus know little about the rules in the english-langugage version. I wonder why you deleted Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Österreichs though. I guess that was a redirect on Boy Scouts and Girl Guides of Austria. Don't you keep redirects from the official (german) name (that is Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Österreichs [1], de:Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Österreichs) to the articles name you chose (if you have to translate that at all, what I oppose, but that's a different topic)? --Wirthi (talk) 16:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was one of several marked for G6 Housekeeping. That generally means someone wants to rename another page into where the G6ed page is. If that has not been done by Monday, I'll restore the redirect. - TexasAndroid (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the clarification. The only reason - other than a redirect on Boy Scouts and Girl Guides of Austria - for that page would be to move Boy Scouts and Girl Guides of Austria there. I doubt anybody will do that without further discussion. --Wirthi (talk) 10:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The rename has now been done, and it was exactly the rename you predicted. As for whether it's the right rename or not, I'll stay out of that one. I just facilitated what appeared to be a reasonable rename. - TexasAndroid (talk) 15:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, again thanks for your clarification. The article has in fact been moved to the proper german name (what I strongly support, but had not expected). --Wirthi (talk) 16:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oink (water buffalo)

I didn't look far enough in the history, which is my dumb fault - G3 vandalism tags don't count when they are themselves vandalism, even if well-intentioned. I've restored the article and the AFD. Thanks for the catch, UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 14:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain to me why a G7 delete isn't valid if I am the creator of the article and contributed to the majority of the content (~80%). I will report you for not following policy if you continue to decline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webbo2005 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The text of the G7 requirement is:

Author requests deletion, if requested in good faith, and provided the page's only substantial content was added by its author. If the author blanks the page, this can be taken as a deletion request.

The text says "only", not "majority". Once someone else edits the article, it no longer qualifies. As for my actions in general, particularly my protection of the page, I have already started a thread on the admin noticeboard requesting review. If you would like to question my declining of the CSD requests, then that would be an appropriate place to do so. - TexasAndroid (talk) 15:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I still disagree. What you are saying is contradictory. You are saying that if more than one person edits an article, it no longer qualifies? This contradicts you saying that; The text says "only". Regardless of it saying only or majority - my request is still valid. I am the ONLY person to add substantial content to the page. The other author that made the non-vandalism edit just expanded on what I had said and added an info box. I would not class this as substantial as nothing new was added of any substance. I will be reporting you in the appropriate place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webbo2005 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do what you must. At this point I see three other people who have edited the article. User:Green Tentacle did quite a bit of signifigant work. User:Diggly's edits, which while highly POV and inappropriate, are not really vandalism IMHO. Vandalism means specific things, and Diggly's edits fall outside that scope. So he IMHO counts as another editor. And finally User:Ultraexactzz, the admin who mistakenly deleted the page this morning, did some minor formatting editing as well. Also, Ultraexactzz, on the AFD page, expressed the opinion that no speedy deletion criteria applied. In my original denial of the speedy yesterday, I examined the situation, and it was mostly Green Tentacle's edits that IMHO disqualified G7 as a speedy deletion reason, though Diggly is a part of it as well. - TexasAndroid (talk) 16:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have effectively reported myself. In the above linked ANI thread, where I previously asked for review of my protection of the page, I have now also asked for review of my judgement on the G7 speedy issue. - TexasAndroid (talk) 16:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't know what you're doing then just keep out of it. It's people like you that mess up wiki. Webbo2005 (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't make personal attacks. He never said that he didn't know what he was doing, he said he asked for a review. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If he knew what he was doing he wouldn't need a review. It's administrating a wiki not brain surgery :p Webbo2005 (talk) 08:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James Hart (journalist)

Re James Hart (journalist): I'm not sure CSD requires that the deletion summary carry a reason, but IMO it is enormously desirable and overwhelmingly customary. My own practice with NN's (my guess at what you had in mind) is to place the speedy tag, but leave it to another admin to carry out the deletion itself; i commend it to you.
--Jerzy•t 18:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ummm. Ok. This was from 17 months ago, so I have no direct memory of the specific deletion. But a glance shows that it does indeed have a deletion summary. Specifically "No evidence of notability, no reliable sources". So I'm really not sure what you are getting at. - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Err, i share your confusion. I'd be glad to give you my best guess about my reasoning, if you want, but i'm sure i erred at least twice on my way to leaving you that msg, and that the concern i expressed to you was completely unfounded. Sorry!
--Jerzy "To err is human; to aire is a mispronunciation" Jerzinski•t 08:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Please contact me via my email address at melissa.pistone@ubs.com in regards to completely deleting a page from Wikipedia and any search engines.

Thanks, Melissa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pistoneme (talk • contribs) 12:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main page you were editing has been deleted alrady. At this point, only administrators can see it. If it needs to be more completely removed, see WP:OVERSITE for the next steps. As for search engines, we on the project have no control whatsoever over them, and thus can do nothing about them. - TexasAndroid (talk) 12:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Hickson

hey, can you userfy Ian Hickson for me plz, with history? thx, riffic (talk) 19:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Already dealt with by another admin. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Tillow

An article that you have been involved in editing, Tillow, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tillow. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? I know you only Prodded it, but thought you might be interested. Rockfang (talk) 13:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an opinion to the AFD. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New York State Summer School of the Arts

Sorry, I re-created this and am trying to clean it up. Bearian (talk) 17:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that was a bit quick. I'd like to userfy it to the creator's sandbox. Bearian (talk) 17:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm formally asking you to find it and create it as a sandbox. Thanks in advance. I believe it is, in fact, a notable organization in upstate NY. Bearian (talk) 18:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's now userfied at User:AnakinVader1138/New York State Summer School of the Arts. Get it past the spamminess, and source the notability, and it'll make a good article. - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

		The Resilient Barnstar
		For re-creating a stub for a newbie. Bearian (talk) 18:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the barnstar. I'll leave it up to you at this point, and move on to other things. It you feel you have helped the newbie get the article up to snuff, go ahead and just move it back into place without running it by me first. I've not crossed paths with you before, but at quick glance you appear to be a well enough experienced editor that you can handle this by yourself. :) - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

독도

Re your deletion of this article: {{db-notenglish}} actually only applies to articles which are substantial copies of articles on foreign-language Wikipedias or other projects. In this case, the article was not copied from kowiki, so it should not have been deleted under that criteria. However, it did turn out to be an anti-Japanese rant about Dokdo. If you should come across any other articles which are not English but do not fall under {{db-notenglish}}, feel free to bring them to WP:PNT and/or tag with {{notenglish}}. Thanks, nneonneo ^talk 20:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article was tagged for CSD by User:Prince Kassad, with a description of "speedy, this already exists on both ko and en". I trusted that the tagging was correct and hit the delete button. Whether that trust was well placed or not may be an issue, but assuming the trust, then by the user's statement it was indeed at kowiki already, and the tagging and deletion were correct. I am also well aware of WP:PNT, and placed an article there just yesterday. So in most aspects, your lecturing of me is pretty well off-base. - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if I sounded harsh. I wasn't meaning to lecture you at all; I just wanted to let you know that it was not tagged correctly; I've already informed the tagger. Again, if I sounded like I was lecturing, I apologize. nneonneo ^talk 22:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trip Lee Recreation

Dear Mr.Android, I managed to find out that you (along with the retired User:Coredesat) deleted Trip Lee back in 2007. Looks like it was a good idea at the time. I have made a new version at User:Dimsim da man/Trip Lee with a lot more sources, though it is only a first draft. I was wondering what I could do to get the article recreated? I am not familiar with the whole process, so I tried User:MZMcBride‎, but he had only protected the page after it was deleted. Wikipedia:Requests for page protection said that since it was deleted AfD, I should go to Wikipedia:Deletion review. It suggested I contact the initial admin. Anyway, if you could tell me what needs to be done, I'd be very appreciative. Thanks for your time --12:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Comparing your version to the deleted version, I'm not really certain that the new stuff is enough to overcome the notability issues expressed at the original AFD. So I do think you should head to deletion review with it, if mostly to get additional opinions. Give be a few moments, and I will undelete and userfy the old edits, so that you can expressly reference how it looked before the original AFD in comparison to now. - TexasAndroid (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Done. You can link directly to the last version before the AFD deletion using this link, the version deleted a month later as a recreation using this link, and your current version as the latest version of the user space page. Good luck. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your overly gracious help. I think I can prove notability since he (Trip Lee) has broken into the Top 200 Billboard albums and more. I will take my case up at Deletion review. You have been a great help and very kind. --Aquatiki (talk) 14:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson Analogue

Done; but they need some reliable sources badly. (A Google convinces me that it's by no means impossible, and possibly easier than mastering the intricacies of GFDL.) --Orange Mike | Talk 17:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delancey Street Foundation

I've re-created the article, this time with a number of reliable sources. I don't blame you for deleting it per A7, given the lack of sources, but I note that this is an organization that has probably been the subject of hundreds of newspaper articles over the years, and that it was on the list of "Requested articles" at Portal:California, one of only five topics on the list. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:56, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks much better to me. I've gone ahead and undeleted the history so it'll be there for the record. - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outing thanks, but he's still doing it

Hi. Thanks for the helop with the person trying to identify me as someone without my permission. What I hope doesn't fall off people's radar is that even after your warning he has continued to do so. HE doesn't give the name anymore, he just tells people the steps he used to do so and has posted it on the page questioning you and also on the page of at least on editor with a personal conflict with me in the past. It's clear he still intends to out my regradless of the warning, and giving his steps isn't functionally different from just saying. It looks like another attempt at wikilawyering from that crowd of people. I would like those statements removed. DreamGuy (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know he placed the steps on the ANI report itself, and that spot is technically impossible to remove for a couple of reasons. 1) Too many edits in between, all of which include the data, and 2) deleting specific edits involves deleting the entire page, and then restoring the non-problem edits. But admins cannot delete pages with more than 5000 edits in the history, because deletions above that limit have brought the site to a halt in the past. ANI has an immense number of edits in it's history. So there at least, it's simply not possible to actually delete it from the history, though it could easily be redacted from the latest edits. I'll see what I can do.... - TexasAndroid (talk) 16:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's unfortunate that it can't be deleted. More important, I think, is making sure he gets punished for ignoring the warning. Another admin showed up on his page to give a gentle tsk tsk but basically agree with him on the trolling claims, which I think is going to just escalate the problem. I seriously think these people need a wake up call that these over the top personal attacks and policy violations can't be excused just because of some mob effect there and an admin who hangs around letting it happen. If BH and the others don't see that this behavior is not tolerated, they'll just get worse and worse, and the situation on that article has been nearly impossible for at least a year and a half as it it. A harsh warning doesn't mean anything unless it's followed up on when it's ignored. I'm sure you know that part of it, so I don't want to seem like I am lecturing you, but I am extremely frustrated at how certain editors seem to get away with murder while my every action is under a microscope in an effort to try to oppose my every edit. Wikipedia shouldn't work this way, and that's been my experience with it for years now: people ID you as a bad editor, any other person who disagrees with you sees it and decides they can win by joining in on the tar and feathering instead of following the policies like they should.DreamGuy (talk) 16:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to give you my POV on this, for most situations that involve you, I find myself unable to take any action, either against you *or* against those who attack you. As for against you, I'll not bother dredging through our past clashes. But in the vast majority of your continued clashes, when I look at them, I see no innocents. Your detractors are not innocent, but you are far from innocent as well. And I'm sorry, but when both sides are misbehaving, IMHO either both sides should be punished, or neither. And since I simply cannot act against one side (you), I don't consider it fair to act against only those who are against you, whether they deserve action or not. So for the vast majority of things that happen on the JtR talk page, I consider my hands tied, just quietly shake my head and sigh, and move on to something else to edit.

User:Kbthompson, the other admin you mentioned, has expressed that he similarly considers himself restrained from admin action on the JtR article in general. So in activities related to there he is just acting as another editor, and it's really not fair to complain about his lack of admin action, when it would not be proper for him to act as an admin in these cases.

As for the current WP:OUTING situation, in contrast to the "equal fault" situations I mentioned above, I saw a clear violation of the rules, that, while directed against you, had no similar faults on your side. And I saw that failing to act, leaving the edits visible, was by far the greater harm. So in this one case, I felt I that there was no fairness issue in my acting against someone who was acting against you. - TexasAndroid (talk) 16:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a difference between "everybody makes mistakes" and "if both sides made some mistakes, I can justify one side having a a year of over the top off the scale violations and getting a free pass." You and KB both need to see that. If you expect one side to have to be perfect before you can take any action, you'll never take any actions ever and encourage the bad behavior. People aren't perfect, and if you put anyone under a microscope as severely as these people do (while ignoring heir own behavior) there will always be something to wikilawyer into a complaint of some sort.

And, regarding our earlier conflict, if I remember correctly it was the exact same issue. I would hope that at some point you and KB would see through the tactics they are pulling and do the right thing. I don't have a problem with either of you, other than you seem to fall for the idea that lots of accusations of wrongdoing mean that there must be some wrongdoing, and that such wrongdoing means anyone else can do whatever they want, and you let that built up hostility forever after color your perceptions, even in what would otherwise be clearcut situations.

Thanks for the part you did do. I'm not here to run you down, I just want some admins somewhere to actually step up to the plate... of course those who do seem forever after to be targeted by the same problem editors, and many of them have largely given up in disgust themselves (I think you probably know who I mean, as you used to interact with them), but Wikipedia is worth fighting for, and I don't understand why the people in positions that imply that they would care about policies and making things better routinely let policies be broken and gamed on such a dramatic level. All it takes is a few good men (And women) to stand up, and all that. I believe that, and I stand up to people, and of course that's going to piss certain people off. If you want to suggest that that's a bad thing, all I can say is I disagree. I periodically try not standing up to them, but things don't get magically better on their own. DreamGuy (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With KB, the issue is not you, it's the JtR page. He's self proclaimed as too personally involved there to take admin actions over much of anything that arises from there. It is totally improper for an admin to take actions that arise out of situations where they are personally involved. He's declared himself involved, and thus it would be improper for him to take any action against you or any of the other players on that page over things that arise from there. It would likely have been improper for him to take the actions that *I* took reguarding BH, as that all builds directly out of the JtR page. I have a similar page in one of the major American reality TV shows, which I have heavily edited. If admin action is ever needed arising out of that page, I'll need to find an uninvolved admin to assess the situation, as I am very personally invested in it.

With me, it's the past history between you and I, not JtR specifically. I still feel free to act as an admin there, but not in general if it involves you. I've explained above why I felt free to act in the current situation. But overall I really do feel my hands are tied by the fact that, if it is to come to admin warnings or even blocks, IMHO you generally deserve them just as much as some of the others. You may not have a bad opinion of me at this point, but ultimately your opinion of me is not the issue. It's my long formed opinion of you, and the fact that, if I ever did block you, you and/or others would be able to easily dredge up plenty of old material to show I have held a low opinion of you for a long time. That we have directly clashed at least a couple of times, and that I have expressed my low opinion of you a number of times previously. Do you really want sitting in judgement of your current actions someone who has publically expressed such low opinions of you? I expect not. But overall, I long ago realized that I was no longer an "uninvolved admin" where you were concerned, and self-declared myself ineligible to act as an admin towards you. It was a preemptive declaration, but I think that it has served well. - TexasAndroid (talk) 17:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, some of his information for describing the methods of outing still exists on the JTR talk page. DreamGuy (talk) 13:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And as long as we're at it, he makes several way over the top personal attacks as well. I thought those were supposed to be removed on sight. DreamGuy (talk) 13:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NO, I haven't. And DG is clearly trying to throw gas on something to set it on fire. I just posted a response which called for an explanantion. DG is lying to you..there are no personal accusations and I tried to explain myself where I posted here.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 13:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jack D Ripper

Hi Texas Android. I think it would be a good idea if the JTR Talk page is monitored by admins for infractions of the wikipedia guidelines on good faith and civility etc. I find myself like a passenger in a no-smoking carriage in a train who is told by the guard that I am wrong to point out that another passenger is smoking and making the air hard to breath because supposedly I am 'just as bad'. The point is that smoking should not be tolerated at all, not that in certain circumstances it is okay to do it if you can prove that the person complaining about it lit up a fag there last week. I am willing to abide by a zero tolerence code, as long as it is imposed impartially to all with no 'you're just as bad as him' get out clauses. Colin4C (talk) 08:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I may add that I merely coughed after having smoke blown in my face, by that (self-appointed ?) guard. And then he accused me, or rather stated as if being a fact, that I'm a heavy smoker. I rather feel like warning any other traveller against this train company, after leaving at the next stop. ΑΩ (talk) 14:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion Death Squad

Hello, I have a lot of time on my hands and I was wondering how one becomes part of Wikipedia's elite Deletion Force. There are many articles that need to be deleted and I fear those of us still living in our mother's basements might not have enough time to delete all the articles that must be deleted in order to restore peace and freedom to the galaxy.

Thank you and may the farce be with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmgeek2001 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do delect a few notes of farce in your comments. :) But I will answer them seriously. As for actually pressing the delete button, only administrators can do that. Anyone can potentially become an admin, but the process requires a bit of fortitude, as your edit history will be gone over with a fine-tooth come by other editors. And with you being a quite new editor, your chances of passing are closer to "none" than to "slim".

OTOH, any editor is free to nominate articles for deletion using one of the three article deletion systems on the project. WP:CSD, speedy deletion, is the fastest, but is also for very, very limited and specific situations. For that one you just tag the article for deletion, and an admin will evaluate the tag fairly soon after that. WP:PROD is also fairly simple, you just correctly tag an article. PROD is much slower, though, as the tag must remain on the article for five days. If noone has protested within the five days by removing the tag, then an admin will likely delete it at that point. Finally there is WP:AFD, where full debates on the deletion of articles goes on. - TexasAndroid (talk) 16:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Susan Belbin

It's about time Susan Belbin should have a link but her link goes to Jonathon Creek you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Hall of England (talk • contribs)

Special operations

Can you either add the relevant text to the Special operations page or delete it. It is causing no end of confusion on some of the other pages. "Special operations" is a multi use term to describe both a Spec Op (operation) or Spec Op's as in the units. Also, Special Operations troops is a term use to describe those military units that are in the limbo between Special Forces and standard GS troops. I am aware that the USA uses his as a loose term to describe some SF type units.

Rather then simply re-directing the page to the Special Forces page, it would be better to highlight the fact that this is US term. This would elevate the problem of the 'ill informed' causing editing problems on other page. Thanks (Archangel1 (talk) 22:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)).[reply]

I see that information has already been placed at the page by you, so this is mostly moot. But in general, you cannot foist off on those simply enforcing anti-blanking policies the job of filling out the article. If you want it filled out, you need to do it yourself, as you eventually did. - TexasAndroid (talk) 12:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding ATAS

Agreed. Thank you for solving this. I'd have to say that it's a toss up which as done more damage -- missiles or television. (!) I'm a newbie and had no idea how to do that. I'm not even sure if I'm doing this talk thing right. Could point me in the direction of a complete guide to all the little wiki tools? Scott Hutcheon. Scotthutcheon (talk) 06:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've dropped a welcome template on your talk page. This has a number of useful links for new users. And welcome indeed to the project. - TexasAndroid (talk) 12:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help - Deletion of TTEthernet

Hello TexasAndroid, I can not understand completely, why you deleted my entry about Time-Triggered Ethernet. I understand that it sounds a little like advertisement - but that was not my plan. It's true, that TTEthernet is the product of a company - anyway it is a new development of the product "Ethernet".

I will put the article onto wikipedia again and ask you hereby to help me to adapt the text in a way, that it is not seen as an advertisement anymore.

I am looking forward to receiving some positive feedback from you as I would really like to improve the text in a way, that interested people can inform themselves about this further way of Ethernet.

Thank you, Gnalk (talk) 09:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC).[reply]

gnfnrf's comments on your talk page explain pretty well the problem with the article. There's not much else I can add. - TexasAndroid (talk) 14:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User Profile page protection

Is there a way to protect your own user profile page from malicious editing? A friend of mine had it done to her today. i see that your page can't be edited, just your talk page. Her user is User:anniealice. -Smlauriot (talk) 01:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's called semi-protection, as it only protects from new accounts and unregistered users. If I was to fully protect it, noone other than an admin could edit it, not even she herself. I have gone ahead and done the semi-protection of her talk page. - TexasAndroid (talk) 17:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Noel Coward

I see that you have just deleted my article on the Noel Coward Society. Please explain? Are you aware that they are the leading authority on Noel Cowards work and hold most of his world-wide rights? If anyone in the world needs detailed information, advice or detail about any of Cowards plays, books, songs, lyrics, paintings, performances etc they are the first port of call. I really think that it is not right to just delete, without appreciating the importance of the details being arbitarily deleated. Captainclegg (talk) 16:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:GROUP and WP:NOTE. Nothing in the article, and nothing in what you say above, gives any indication that the organization meets the project's notability requirements. Unless they meet those requirements, and you can provide reliable sources to show that they meet them, the article simply does not belong on the project. - TexasAndroid (talk) 17:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry I just don't understand. Surely as the main source for academic research and chronicling Cowards life and work, that is by definition 'notable'. You surely are not doubting Cowards notability as one of the greatest contributors to 20th cen English culture are you? I urge you to reconsider and reinstate the only accurate source of Cowards work for the benefit of other users. Thanks. Captainclegg (talk) 17:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The author may be notable, but that does not mean that an organization about him is notable. Just having a link to a notable person is far from enough. Please read the links I gave above. They explain notability. You need to provide reliable, independant, non-trivial references to establish the group's notability. The group must be shown, by the project's definitions of notability, not yours, why it is separately notable. - TexasAndroid (talk) 17:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will see what I can dig up. Thanks for the help. Captainclegg (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article Deleted

Hello, I would like to know why the article "Advanced Production and Loading (APL)" was deleted. By just looking at the amount of effort i put in to write the history of the company, i don't think there was any sign of intended advertising or promoting the company. As I am working in the industry and I happen to come across this company in one project, I think their technology is just brilliant. I just hope that the informative history of the company will be source of information for people of the industry as not many know how it was formed and what they actually do. Turret99 —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:CORP for information on notability requirements for companies. This was read like an advertisement, and did not indicate notability. So it had two strikes against it, I chose the SPAM one to actually tag it with, but both would need to be dealt with if such an article was to remain. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Article TTEthernet

Hello, I would like to know why you again deleted my TTEthernet article? I think I really improved it and there was no advertising in it anymore. Maybe you are interested to look on the following link, which may show you, that TTEthernet is not only a product to make advertisment for, but a further development of the standard Ethernet technology and worth to describe on Wikipedia: http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2008/03-March/27-Mar-2008/FBO-01541379.htm Thank you for your attention, --Gnalk (talk) 14:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've put it back for now. Still reads a bit spammy to me, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for a while. - TexasAndroid (talk) 14:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for putting the article back. I'll implement the answers to the questions you stated some days ago. --Gnalk (talk) 08:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from Remasys

Hello Mr Android,

You deleted "Reamsys" new entry recently...

I now understand that I need to add either a stub or references to what I had added.

Is it possible to return the page please to the preview section (or I read somewhere that you may be able to send it to my email; markg@remasys.com) where I can work on adding these requirements before saving the page again?

Indeed Mr Android, everything I've added (links to Remasys as an example of 'agentless data collection' supplier and a whitepaper discussing the agentless approach to data collection) have all been removed?

You are obviously busy but I'd appreciate if you could let me know how I can get my 'adds' to stick around?

Many thanks for your time,

MarkGriffin.mn (talk) 04:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Protected from creation page Gnalk

You did delete and protect from creation a page for PORT designs. Could you please help me to do a page for PORT designs like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targus_(corporation) I try to do this couple of days but every time someone do delete it :-( Thank you in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergo (talk • contribs) 08:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]