Talk:Battleboarding

Unsourced references

To user: 209.44.205.230 please put references if you want to add large revisions, especially when it comes to terminology. ChrisGultieri (talk) 15:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Slander against the VS Battles Wiki

Hello.

I would like to request that the false and very severe allegation that the VS Battles Wiki discriminates against LGBTQIA+ people and characters is kindly removed please. First, the two sources/references that were used for this false accusation do not actually say anything nearly that severe, and secondly, as anybody can very easily read in the wiki's rule pages, it has even stricter rules against harrassment and bigotry than the rest of the Fandom wiki complex does, so this is blatantly inaccurate harmful slander.

Please read the pages linked below for further information:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Site_Rules#Be_Respectful

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Editing_Rules#Creating_Pages

https://allthingsgeek.substack.com/p/the-5-best-battle-boards-online

https://vocal.media/geeks/versus-sites-and-battle-boards

David A (talk) 08:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David A, what's keeping you from doing this yourself? You got years of experience and this article isn't edit protected. Be bold! soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I just wanted to make certain that I had support for this change, so I would not risk to break any rules. David A (talk) 08:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccurate history?

Hey, I'm not really sure how to handle this, because I believe this would count as "original research", but I happen to have a lot of personal experience with this community (including formerly moderating VS Battles), and I know first or at most secondhand that some of the events or attributions here are incorrect. I'll ignore the "origins" of battleboarding, because that's a lot more subjective (personally, I'd say this comes from comics - Namor vs. the Human Torch being an early example of superhero vs. superhero crossovers).

Instead, I'm focusing more on "calcs". Death Battle does use calcs, yes, but the method of calculation used there actually comes from VS Battles. This can be seen through a few ways. The first is that their research team just readily admits this. The second is that their values and the "feats" they choose to calculate... tend to line up very closely with what VS Battles already uses. The third is the specific methods by which they calculate, that being using "fragmentation energy" and multiplying by volume (which, to be clear, is a pseudoscience and I feel like it should be labeled as such - even the VSBattles forum acknowledges this system is flawed). Though, this style/methodology sources itself further back to the Outskirts Battledome subsection on the Narutoforums website (now called FanVerse). Again, this is something VSBattles cites itself, so I feel this should be uncontroversial.

But, beyond this, the Outskirts Battledome style of calculation itself cites to a few specific users (their names are slipping my mind at the moment, perhaps ChaosTheory or Endless Mike?). Furthermore, "calcs" as a whole did not originate on the Narutoforums. This, almost certainly, traces back further to Mike Wong and the stardestroyer.net website in the 90s. The website b5tech is also a compendium of "calcs" on Babylon 5, also dating to the 90s. These earlier calcs... aren't unassailable, but their methodology (as in, the specific formulae used) are based in engineering knowledge. Again, this is almost certainly just because Mike Wong and Saxton were engineers/physicists.

Point being - there's kind of two "family lines" of "calcs" here. There were early forums in the 90s that "used calcs", and there's the current popular VSBattles/Narutoforums derived form of... I guess there's no term for it. Simple physics? And that influenced Death Battle from there. Death Battle is, of course, insanely popular, so you could probably say they "popularized it", but by the same token VSBattles is also insanely popular (enough that the article mentions this).

Again, not really sure what to do about this. This isn't really a hobby with a lot of official writing on it.

EDIT: I'd also like to mention what I believe is roughly the origin of the term "battleboard" itself - that possibly being Tom Brevoort (though I'm less sure on this). Brevoort was using the term in 2014 and I haven't found an earlier instance of the term, even though the hobby obviously existed. Usually, it was just called "vs" or "vs debating", to my knowledge. At the very least, Tom is the first instance I saw of the term, and it's why I started using it.

Joshless128 (talk) 21:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree. It's not a matter whether or not what you say is true or not. This is Wikipedia, after all. The article is imperfect but at least it has sources. Your claims do not. So between the two, yours is the one that's original research. That being said, feel free to edit or revise the article as long as there are sources. LimonX33 (talk) 01:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]