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Geocentrism is NOT pseudoscience

Anybody who has read Dr. Sungenis' books on the subject of geocentrism knows that calling it pseudoscience is dishonest. He deals with all the relevant science and provides a reasonable interpretation of the data. The person who has used this pejorative label in order to discredit him obviously doesn't realise that Albert Einstein acknowledged that a geocentric view can account for ALL the scientific data. Please remove this smear of "pseudoscientific" for the sake of neutrality.^[1] Knowledgeispower3 (talk) 07:16, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you find a reputable scientist who says this, and provide where they said it.Slatersteven (talk) 07:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First, you may change the frame of reference to whatever you like and physics would still work. Earth is in no way special in this respect: any frame of reference is as good as any other one. The belief that mainstream science endorses geocentrism is delusional. Tgeorgescu (talk) 08:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A reputable scientist who says this? Wolfgang Smith. You should read his book Ancient Wisdom and Modern Misconceptions: A Critique of Contemporary Scientism (2003), Chapter VIII (The Status of Geocentrism). Smith is a mathematician, physicist, philosopher of science and metaphysician. yuri vieira (talk) 18:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, you have one. who says it has scientific merit. But it is still a fringe view, and thus pseudoscience accdor9ing to most experts, and we go with the scientific weight (see wp:undue.Slatersteven (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First, ad hominem arguments like Anybody who has read Dr. Sungenis' books on the subject of geocentrism knows that calling it pseudoscience is dishonest. have no place here.

Second, while it is true that in General Relativity a geocentric coordinate system is as valid as a heliocetric coordinate system, that does not mean that the geocentric and heliocentric views are equivalent; the geometry does not depend on the choice of local coordinates. An observer will see the worldline of the Earth winding around the worldline of the Sun^[a] in either coordinate system. --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 14:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ More precisely, an observer will see both winding around the center of mass of the Solar System.

References

^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

BLP violation

An IP is edit warring in violation of WP:BLPSPS. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The introduction is not neutral and has to be rewritten

Robert A. Sungenis (born c. 1955)[1] is an American Catholic apologist and advocate of the pseudoscientific belief that the Earth is the center of the universe.[2] He has made statements about Jews and Judaism which have been criticized as being antisemitic, which he denies.

This introduction is not neutral at all and has to be changed as the rules of Wikipedia point out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

This part "advocate of the pseudoscientific belief that the Earth is the center of the universe" has to be changed. That the earth is the center of the universe is not a belief, it's a viewpoint and there are many scientists who hold to this viewpoint so it cannot be written that it is pseudoscientific. Just because something is not a majority viewpoint it does not make it a belief or unscientific. If Wikipedia would have existed in Galileo's time would it have been tolerated that his viewpoint be called an unscientific belief? It should not have been. So this has to be changed according to the principle: "Avoid stating opinions as facts" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Retonom (talk • contribs)

Its what he is noted for. Slatersteven (talk) 11:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Geocentric coördinates are convenient. is a view; The Earth is the center of the Universe. is a belief. In fact, in General relativity the term center of the Universe doesn't even have a meaning. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The gist that here at Wikipedia we are not second-guessing science, but we take it for granted. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[2] More precisely, an observer will see both winding around the center of mass of the Solar System.

[1] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

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