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July music

story · music · places

The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting piece. Never heard of him or Alma. Thanks for helping me to learn something. All the blue flowers are gorgeous. Battening down the hatches. Early hurricane season taking off. We expect landfall perhaps on Friday. SusunW (talk) 14:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You support what someone just said about readers not knowing the guy who invented 12-tone system. Alma had a cute limerick DYK (not by me), and was topic of a Rheingau Musik Festival concert last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. - A meeting of two women - the occasion of the cantata - is pictured in our local church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lovely, lovely. SusunW (talk) 17:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you - such an unusual piece, treating Gregorian chant just like the chorales. - 3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021 which was about a woman ;) - It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. Proud to have had 2 women in green in June, and the third nom is in progress. - Yesterday, I found an abundance of chanterelles in our forest, enough to select some day by day, - never seen anything like it here in decades, - pics to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Me, I'm not on much right now. Beryl's trajectory is changing daily. First report was it would hit south of Campeche. Yesterday, closer to Mérida. Today between the two. Trying to prepare for the worst, and hoping for the best. Friends in Barbados say it was really, really bad. A few more things to prepare today and then just wait it out. Friday will tell the tale. SusunW (talk) 14:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hoping with you! - Beryl was a topic in a German quiz meeting yesterday, DYK? (heard on the phone by someone who attended) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still hoping! Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton who and who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How was it? - Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, Martti Wallén, a bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making - any reviews, perhaps?). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After all the preparations and stress, it ended up being just a soft gentle rain here. We were very fortunate, as so much damage occurred in the Caribbean and is occurring in Texas. That said, while we didn't lose power or internet during the crisis, we lost internet from Sunday through Monday, so once again, I am very behind in my work. I'll try to read through your links. SusunW (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relief! - Found a bit more. Today's story is about her, which is a sad story in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, sad at the end but she certainly had a full and interesting life. SusunW (talk) 14:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, sad that she died, but what I meant is that the lead ended at 1988, ignoring that she had five great years with her orchestra from 1990, but then had to leave the people and direct a new group from abroad. Did you listen to her playing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks for explaining. Yes, I listened. Interesting piece. SusunW (talk) 18:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Love the piece. Cannot imagine why it mentions Satan, as the music itself does not seem chaotic or sinister. Also the butterfly on the thistle and the little deer are lovely. SusunW (talk) 14:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Baroque language became perhaps more alien to our times than that of 200 years earlier, but seems to have inspired Bach as it was, while for the c. 40 other chorale cantatas the lyrics for the inner stanzas was "modernized". - The dancer is on the Main page now. My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mozart to me usually sounds full of pomp and ceremony. This one makes me picture a grand hall full of lots of people doing some sort of ceremonial presentation. The Offenbach video is interesting. Don't understand the words, but the keyboard was reversed, i.e. white keys black and black keys white on the harpsichord? Nice tribute to Kondratyeva. SusunW (talk) 14:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's my story today. What would you suggest for a DYK? Don't miss video ;) - Interesting what you say about Mozart because for me, he's rather for and about the individual soul, listen to Dove sono. On harpsichords, the black&white arrangement is normal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest DYK be avoided. Honestly I am no good at coming up with hooks. I miss Yoninah. The video was lovely. She indeed floats. Listened to Dove sono, still seems like it is a grand production. Perhaps because opera is also theatrical? SusunW (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do DYK for the subjects (again, after having avoided it last year). - Yesterday I listened in concert to Mozart's Clarinet Quintet, with Sabine Meyer: a delight, and very intimate (yt with same people). - Today's story is about Ruth Hesse, with a pic in the article only, sadly. I found it difficult to point at a YouTube sample, because yes, her signature roles - the Nurse and Brangäne - exist in great full-length operas with great casts, but hard to find her. - Talking of YouTube: today I was pointed at Elijah by a friend who performed in the concert of the Dessoff Choirs in their centenary year, and I'm quite impressed by samples (beginning and No. 32 where I linked it) - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for improving article quality in July! - Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11. If that's not enough my talk offers chamber music from two amazing concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Love his work! Actually I prefer black and white photos to color. They are far more interesting IMO. Yesterday I wrote about a woman who retired as a librarian, then bought and the ran a marina and wrote books for another 20 years. Today, if I can find the sources, I'm going to start to write her grandmother's story. SusunW (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! - Just a look at music (on my talk) shows remembrance of three people who died, and creating an article or improving one is all I can do. Three are on the Main page today, and three others planned ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another look at music: three women there, - a sad record. The Main page also has a Mozart symphony I love, and my story is a 2016 hook. It was connected not only to Max Reger's death in 1916, remembered then, but also the death of a friend who - and we around him - knew he was dying when he listened to the concert which was his last time leaving home, and music from Reger's Requiem was played for his funeral three months later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reger's piece is lovely even though it is mournful. Sorry you lost your friend, but glad you got to share the concert. I just don't get Mozart. I listened but as always, it just seems so very "formal" for lack of a better term. To me, his is not the kind of music that makes one enjoy the free expression and excitement of the music itself, but always seems as if one should be sitting with correct posture in a proper concert hall. I am happy that you love him and that the world is full of unique people who can enjoy and appreciate different things. SusunW (talk) 20:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for understanding! I didn't say I love Mozart ;) - I love that piece (which he never heard played well during his lifetime) and some others, especially operas. - Our conductor, born the same day as Mozart, doesn't like him much, but made two exceptions for our programs: the Great Mass and the Requiem. And we sang the Sparrow Mass for services. Ave verum Corpus? Once a soprano from the choir died, and someone said that she loved the piece and we should sing it for the funeral, and the conductor said: "Well, if you think you can do it ... - I can, I don't have to sing." We couldn't - it was a mix of singing and sobbing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Main Page history/2024 July 30b had a baritone, a violinist, a composer and a Bach cantata, - almost too much, and the composer's article, Wolfgang Rihm, improved much over the last days, could still grow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The cantata was lovely and the other articles interesting. We had success last night! He was foraging in the garden and we actually managed 2 pictures. Introducing you to Opie! SusunW (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opie, view 1
    Opie, view 1
  • Opie, view 2
    Opie, view 2
How lovely! Thank you. - Wolfgang Rihm, - a giant died, and the article grew, but could still use more eyes. I began one of his operas which was also given at Santa Fe. Can't read the NYT ... - August flowers to come, promised! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phyllis Reeve pictures

I'm only 98% sure this is the Phyllis Reeve you're writing about as "a woman who retired as a librarian", because you don't write anything about the peace doves the video is about, but the odds of there being two circa 90 year old Phyllises Reeve on Gabriola Island seem slim.

Pick your favorite. (Or you can go to the YouTube video these are from and see if you can find even a better point to capture.) --GRuban (talk) 21:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OMG! Thank you GRuban! Definitely think it is her. See this. I am about to finish her grandmother's article and was going to ask you about both of them. I have one photo of Richenda that was (last column) published in Australia in 1948. The guide says "Photographs (published or unpublished) taken before 1 January 1955 are in the public domain", but I don't know how that works with the 1996 US date. I also found a 1922 image of a multigraph machine. (No clue if it is the same type she had) If you don't think either of these will work, I thought you might be willing to ask Phyllis. SusunW (talk) 21:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August music

story · music · places

Finally as promised! Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! - I left a request to help with sources on WT:WIR, did you see? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! That organ is gorgeous. Haven't seen your query, had very little time on-line today and that will probably hold through Friday. Real life stuff is interfering. SusunW (talk) 21:28, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ipigott seems to have resolved the query! - ... and a third, like 22 July but with interview ("celebrate the art of women") and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bach piece is lovely. I do love him. All of the cloud photos are fascinating! And however did you get that cat to laugh at you? SusunW (talk) 14:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I wouldn't be surprised if what cat did was just stretching and yawning ;) - I did nothing than pass by. Same cat - or the other similar one - will come again in August. For a long time I thought there was just one until I saw them together. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
today's story is about education, 10 years OTD after lecturing our founder). Music for today's feast is Monteverdi's, the best concert we ever did (so pictured again on my talk), but it wasn't recorded, substituted with a "Pacific" one that comes with subtitles line by line in Latin and English: I learned something! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
adding 4 animals from 30 July, 2 cats (one the one who "laughed") - yesterday's story was about a woman --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Love the little deer and the cats. The poppies are gorgeous. Sunflowers are a curse. Lovely to look at, but if you have to dig them out of your yard, be prepared to bleed. Their stems will slice right through your gardening gloves and are sooooo hard to uproot. SusunW (talk) 19:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never thought of that, just enjoyed them in the gardens and field of others ;) - My story is about a stage director, and I picked Aida, so tender so cruel. - We don't know where he died, and the date was wrong by almost a week, - had to change it while on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They grew wild in our yard in Oklahoma. To get a plumbing problem fixed, we had to get rid of them. After trying resulted in bloody hands and demolished gloves, we rented a rototiller. Nightmare. Odd that someone died and none of the notices say where. I guess they assumed anyone interested would know. I note that the article says "from 2012 to 2024 heading the department of direction". That caught my eye because the sentence before says he worked at the Academy until 2022. The source says he was head of theater direction from 2012 to 2016. SusunW (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the typo, - it's been on the Main page fir three days and you were the one and only to notice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That attention to detail I have is both a blessing and a curse. SusunW (talk) 14:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concerto delle donne query

Hi there Susan, I hope you're well. I think we've interacted before (I believe I reviewed a GAN of yours), but I've been following your exemplary work for some time. If you have the time/interest, I'd be grateful for your insight on an article.

I've been going back and forth with the Concerto delle donne article, loosing and gaining motivation for it. Currently it's at FAR. I'm going to give it one last shot to push it over the edge, so I feel confident that it's up to FA standards. I've been speaking to the main scholar on the subject via email, Laurie Stras, whose been giving me some helpful advice.

Would you be able to give it a look and let me know where you think it stands? If you're not familiar with the topic, No detail necessary needed on content matters (we have Stras for that!). Really just looking for feedback on the Wikipedia side of it: article structure, depth, cohesiveness etc. It is a bit on the shorter side, which has been concerning me a bit. Best – Aza24 (talk) 00:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I replied on the article talk. SusunW (talk) 16:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted...

the sandbox [User:Buster7/Nellie G. Best]]. You made a very minor edit years ago. I'm told that I need to inform fellow editors that edited the sandbox that I am requesting it be deleted. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 21:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dianna Rogers photo?

I wonder what this history is behind this photo [1]. Or if there is any way to validate it is her. TJMSmith (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen that photo. Give me a minute. SusunW (talk) 20:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TJMSmith It comes from here. The magazine is from 1919 and while there might be something beneath the photo that says who and where it was taken, it is minuscule and I cannot tell if it is a printing blur or actual words. There isn't a caption. Perhaps Gateway to Oklahoma has another copy. I'll look there too. SusunW (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TJMSmith I don't see the same smudge on the one hosted on the Gateway site. I think it's probably impossible to know if it is her. SusunW (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there reason to doubt this is a photo of her? It's likely PD due to it being published before 1924. TJMSmith (talk) 21:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TJMSmith So much of what has been written about her is completely made up, that I would be leery of saying it was her without a reliable source saying so. The 1919 magazine was published by the Oklahoma Historical Society and it seems to me if it was her, they would have said that. I kept digging and found this version, which historians Gregory and Strickland say is Melissa Houston, a Kiowa woman who claimed to be the wife of Sam Houston. SusunW (talk) 21:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point! TJMSmith (talk) 02:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shawna Baker help

Hello Susun, I hope you are doing well! Sorry to trouble you but....I am drafting a page about a Cherokee lawyer. As I am ignorant about her heritage and do not want to get things wrong, I wonder if you or someone who knows the Cherokee Nation would look at the draft and let me know if I have made any mistakes? For example I have referred to 'Indian Territory' and do not know if this phrase is still in use. I could also do with some more references to cite, if possible, but that might be too much work for busy people! The draft is at User: Balance person/Shawna Baker I would be grateful if you could take a look? Thanks if you can. Balance person (talk) 07:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Balance person I'm happy to look at it, but I also think you need someone from the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America to look it over because I haven't lived in Oklahoma in 40 years and terms change. For example, Indian Territory was indeed the historical name for approximately the entire eastern half of what is now Oklahoma and referring to the pre-1907 area it would be correct to call it Indian Territory. On the other hand, "She was on the reservation in the ten years (1985-1995)" to me seems historically wrong. There was not a recognized Cherokee reservation in Oklahoma at that time. The term "reservation Indian" had very negative connotations and the numerous Cherokee people I knew personally would never have described themselves in that way. The 2021 decision which made the historic boundaries of the Cherokee Nation into the Cherokee Reservation is a very recent development, so from a historian's point of view, saying she grew up on the reservation is wrong. However from a political perspective, since the Cherokee legal claim was upheld that the promise of a permanent reservation was never withdrawn, may make saying that she grew up on he reservation correct. I'm also confused about "Outside Indian Country..." because Tulsa IS in Indian Country and most of it is within the Cherokee reservation. Perhaps just say other activities include, but I honestly don't know what terminology one would use to specify that activities are either focused on Native issues or non-Indigenous issues, which is what I think you are trying to explain. Native, Indigenous, American Indian, etc. are all terms that should be capitalized when they refer to people per WP:INDIGENOUS. I have a doctor's appointment this morning, but will look at it in more depth this afternoon. Right now it seems a little promotional. @ARoseWolf and Yuchitown: may be available and able to give some guidance on correct terminology. Both are very active in the above WikiProject. SusunW (talk) 14:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Balance person, Indian Territory is fine for the historical location within what is now Oklahoma. I would remove any part about a Cherokee Nation reservation as there was not an official reservation at that time. The Curtis Act of 1898 disbanded tribal governments, privatized reservation land, and Cherokee people citizens of the United States subject to federal laws instead of Cherokee tribal laws. In 1934, FDR signed the Indian Reorganization Act which established the Cherokee Nation as a protected sovereign and encouraged reorganization of tribal governments and courts. The Cherokee Nation was reconstituted in 1938. The Cherokee Nation does have land holdings but it is mostly just a political sovereign with no real defined borders. There are Cherokee citizens of all three of the federally recognized Cherokee tribes scattered all over the US and world. As I read it more I have may have further suggestions. --ARoseWolf 15:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you ARoseWolf very much. I have corrected the things I got wrong so far and look forward to other comments if you have time. Balance person (talk) 16:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Susun. This is so helpful. I look forward to your next comments. Balance person (talk) 16:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Balance person, truly sorry. I had one of those days where the stuff they give you to take a test doesn't wear off for the entire day. The good news is the test results were fine. Today, I will look at Baker. SusunW (talk) 12:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem at all at all SusunW. And thank goodness your test, though sounding very unpleasant for you, has come out well! Yay! You must be relieved. BTW I got Baker's name from a Wikipedia Indigenous list of red women. Just had her name and the word lawyer after it. So I am utterly ignorant! Balance person (talk) 12:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Balance person First, you asked for sources, so I found a few. This article is about reenacting the Trail of Tears journey on bicycles. Part 2 of the article tells you she is 46 (in 2024). This says the domestic violence task force was created in 2021. This says she was appointed to the gaming commission in 2019. This paper she wrote is discussed a lot in this article (just search "Baker" and you can see what the author says about what she wrote). This article is reviewed here p. 378. She was honored by the Oklahoma Bar in 2021 p. 24 with an Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher award. Okay, second, I'll look at the article. SusunW (talk) 14:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I interrupted you! I will stay off the article until you are ready! Sorry! Balance person (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Balance person, All good, no worries. I made a few edits and linked several things. I think the bit about her opinion In re: Effect of Cherokee Nation v. Nash & Vann v. Zinke should not be cited to herself. NPR and CNN talk about her ruling. I would think about adding a "selected works" section and add the two papers listed above and the decision, which "Graham Lee Brewer, an editor for Indigenous affairs at High Country News" called "one of the most beautifully written [court documents] I've ever read". I'd also probably link it to her decision, here. Please let me know if I can help further. SusunW (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much Susun for the extra references and for the suggestions. I have worked through them and THINK I have done the necessary but would be very grateful if you could have a quick look at User: Balance person/Shawna Baker to see if I have misunderstood anything. I have loads to learn as I know you know!! Balance person (talk) 16:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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