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Question About BLP Sources

Hi! I was looking at the Audrey Williams page and noticed that there are barely any citations throughout the page. I figured we need something like Template:BLP sources for that page, but as Williams is deceased, it wouldn't be right to add that. Is there a template like that for deceased people? Thanks. CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 03:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

CallieCrewmanAuthor, I know of none that are particularly for articles about dead people, but for entire articles that aren't about living people (and thus may be about dead ones), there's Template:More citations needed, and for sections there's Template:More citations needed section. (For these and many others, Wikipedia:Template index/Sources of articles is a wonderful resource.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@CallieCrewmanAuthor, You might also want to get more specific by using Template:Citation needed inside a section. It can be applied to a paragraph, a sentence, or even a portion of a sentence. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 01:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Page question

Hello,

Well, I write because I want (if possible) to open a alternative page to this one ^:

Talk:List of European tornadoes and tornado outbreaks

Thing is I wanted to add a tornado in Switzerland, La Chaux-de-Fonds 27.07.2023. In fact they wasn't sure it's was downburst or tornado right after the event. Later they made a study in situ Swiss they conclude in the recent report (swiss weather services) it's was a tornado with downburst(s) depend on where it was in the town. So I put it on the page and they delated (probably Administrator and they justified cause it was downburst according to their source that didn't take into account swiss weather report) ..... So I see that and I go on the ad hoc side to open a discussion about it and no answer after motre than 3 weeks. Probably admin of this page use every time same european centralised source and it should be for him or them the lonely criteria to adjudicate choises. This centralised source had maybe preliminary informations or they concludes by themselves but they didn't make any complete inquiry/investigations on the ground in the 3D real world. Possibly fact that Switzerland is not in European Union has effect on that (on informations transmission to be more accurate cause of information transmission mechanisms possibly weaker)? So I would like to open an alternative page or at least the thing corrected/rectifed.

I wait for your feedback/news.

Thank you for your kind attention.

Yours faithefully. Luc-aoe1985 (talk) 11:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, you've linked to an article talk page, are you referring to the article itself? 331dot (talk) 11:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Luc-aoe1985 The information was removed in this edit by an IP editor, so certainly not an administrator. Even admins have no more say about content than anyone else, although they may know more about our policies and guidelines. The correct way forward is to discuss this weather event on the Talk Page you linked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull. Thank's for answering and details given especially. What a quick answer!, I appriciate a lot.

About the fact of discussing about details .... as I wrote I already did there no discussion from nobody...

So what should I do in this case? Luc-aoe1985 (talk) 13:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@331dot. (Of) course yes I did in the talk part of the right page: Talk:List of European tornadoes and tornado outbreaks - Wikipedia

If you click the link above you can find it in the end of all the different talks. If you want to know if I was accurate about erasing action I wasn't but anyway nobody wanted to respond so I do think whatever I wanted to discuss about, there was no interest for participating and answering (3 weeks without any answer...)Luc-aoe1985 (talk) 13:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Luc-aoe1985 I suggest you read WP:SILENCE. After three weeks of no response to your Talk Page comment, I think you are perfectly entitled to restore your edit provided you make sure the source is, indeed, reliable and you mention in your edit summary that you waited three weeks for any dissenting voice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your precious advices. I already take action in this direction. In fact, I wrote directly to the person who erased my text and I decided without any response from anybody to specify in the page related and also directly to the person who erased my text that I will take this step to put it afresh/anew.

Thank's one more time for your help.

Yours faithfully. Luc-aoe1985 (talk) 20:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Inquiry on the case where YouTube video screen capture is available on Wikipedia,

Hello, Can I please use the screen capture of the Youtube video about 3D modeling of the time indicated in the YouTube link below on Wikipedia without copyright restrictions?

• The video I want to use is, if you look at the specific time below analyzed in the 24-minute video, for 5 Seconds " from 16 minutes 01 seconds to 16 minutes 07 seconds" in the attached video.

In other words, in the 5-second video clip with the 3D modeling, you can see that the bullets of the assassin were actually aimed at killing President Trump, and President Trump avoided it by just 1 inch, saving his life.

• I wonder if this video is useful and I can do a YouTube video screen capture on it. Donald Trump Shooting Analysis: Gunman Outsmarted Secret Service

Goodtiming8871 (talk) 12:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

In what context do you wish to do that? Just putting a video would be original research. 331dot (talk) 13:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Goodtiming8871 Setting any other arguments aside, I do not see that it has been released on any licence which allows you to do this. That overrides any other consideration in my view. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to comment. I intend to use the original 3D modeling content itself with citations. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 11:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

If I could upload a screen capture of the 8 bullets, it would be interested in that, as it would summarize the situation at the time. Thanks for your kind feedback. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 11:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Searching for infobox with specific info?

I wanted to specifically search for articles with infoboxes that have a certain date in them, that way I could update the page on that date if there’s any significant events not included. For example, to see if any significant things have happened on February 1st that aren’t in the article. And then it would show an article that has Feb 1 inputted into something (like a recent death date). Is there a way to make this kind of search? ChocolateCharcuterieBoard (talk) 19:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure about the search, but if you want completeness, be aware that most of the world writes a date such as the one you're interested in as "1 Feb". In my country 9/11 mans the 9th of November. HiLo48 (talk) 03:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures

I want to upload a picture for the article Wilhelm Haehnelt, and I've found said image. However, i am unsure it is okay to upload the picture from the website, since I can't find anything about using that websites images for other stuff. What do I do? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 02:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

In a nutshell, do I have to worry about copyright? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 02:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi User:RedactedHumanoid,

Indeed copyright is an important concern. Nearly everything you find on a website is protected by a license, and often that license is too restrictive to allow uploading here. Either the image has to be old enough that copyright has expired (it has become "public domain") or the owner of the license has to make an explicit statement allowing others do use it in enough ways to be compatible with WP or Commons. Or sometimes one can make a case that the image should be used under WP:Fair Use rules even though it is against the license to do so. Given this person died in 1946, it's quite possible that photos of him would be old enough to be public domain regardless of what the website where you found them says. But it would require knowing more about the photo's history than just when it was taken, such as when it was first published in a newspaper or similar media. DMacks (talk) 04:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Checked, the website in question lists the image as being taken in January of 1941. Does that qualify as being old enough to be considered as part of the public domain? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 04:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

The important date is when it was "published" and what it anything is known about the photographer. The photo is signed by him and looks reasonably posed, so it seems like it was being distributed as a publicity or press photo in Germany at the time? That counts as "publication", and makes it old enough, depending on authorship. There's no photographer listed at that source or noted on the photo itself, we can probably consider it "anonymous"...I google-image searched and found no further detail, and it's so long ago I doubt any new info is available. Seems unlikely that the photographer would sign the back of this sort of thing at the time. So...it's old enough for PD, and can be uploaded to Commons, according to c:Template:PD-Germany-§134-KUG and c:Template:PD-1996. DMacks (talk) 07:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 07:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

recovering a Draft

I was working on a Draft and I navigated away from the page. I think I lost all my work. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Allthemilescombined1 Yes. You need to periodically click on Publish at the bottom, which means Save. David notMD (talk) 05:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess an early-stage draft should be in the Sandbox instead. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 10:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Allthemilescombined1: an early-stage draft should not be in "the sandbox", where it may be deleted or overwritten at any time, but in a user sandbox such as User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo1, where it will "belong" to the user, and no-one else will be likely to change it, or even be aware of its existence. Maproom (talk) 11:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. It's helpful to know how to make separate sandboxes. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 15:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Question about new pages

Hi, I have a question as a first-time article creator. A draft article that I submitted for review through AfC was accepted by an AfC reviewer 5 days ago. However, I tried searching the article through external search engine today and the page didn't show up. Is there gonna be a second reviewing/patrolling process for it not to be hidden from external search engines? If there is, is there something I can do (e.g. an "unreviewed" tag to put) to have it reviewed/patrolled faster? Thank you. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 02:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, all new articles have to be patrolled by New Pages Patrol (or exist for 90 days) in order to be indexed by search engines. Articles for Creation is an additional step. There's no way to expedite the process, though I have marked your article as reviewed because you asked and I see notability per WP:NLIST. I will note that a lot of the entries are sourced to YouTube which is something you should work on (and I have tagged the list as such). C F A 💬 02:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@CFA Minor point: Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol#Drafts says that accepted drafts from AfC will not go into the NPP feed if the reviewer who accepts the draft is autopatrolled. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

HypeBoy:   List of boys' love dramas defines its subject matter "This is a list of ... dramatic television series, miniseries, or web series featuring romantic relationship between male leads." But all of the over 300 works listed are from East Asia. Why are there no works, e.g. Brokeback Mountain, from the rest of the world? I suspect something is missing from the definition. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom: The reason for the works listed being Asian (not East Asian, as Thailand makes up more than 20% of the entries) is because the term "Boys' love" or "BL" is mainly used for homoerotic works that come from Asia, as explained in the main article Yaoi which is linked on the article's lead. Also, Brokeback Mountain is not a television drama (which is the scope of the list), but a movie. However, I can see where you came from, the current definition does leave something to be desired. I'll see if I can amend it. Best, — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 08:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding lots of information to an article, only using one citation?

What's the policy for how to handle adding lots of information from just one source? I read the section on how to avoid paraphrasing/copyright infringement and it mentions using a variety of sources, but what if the source is the only comprehensive information that exists on that specific topic? For example, information on the grammar of a language that hasn't been studied by a large number of people. Aristaeusapiculturist (talk) 08:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, since the title is poorly worded, I would be using multiple citations to the various points in the source where the information is from. Aristaeusapiculturist (talk) 08:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Aristaeusapiculturist: if you just want to cite the same source multiple times, you can use named references, see WP:NAMEDREFS. Whereas if you want to cite specific and different pages of the same source, see WP:CITEPAGE. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Let's get specific. You added a grammar section to Marind language with lengthy paragraphs, but only one new ref, at the end of the section. Minimally, each paragraph should be referenced, even if parts from the same book. And the ref should not just be a URL. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that's good to know. I was being nonspecific because that is not - nor do I plan for it to be - my only contribution. Aristaeusapiculturist (talk) 17:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah good to know, thank you! Aristaeusapiculturist (talk) 17:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I entered an incorrect title for a biographical entry, and cannot change it.

I'm trying to post an article about the artist Paul-Henri Bouguignon. Somehow the name "Jean-Paul Bourguignon" came up as the title of this article. I could not see how to correct this, so I created a new page and titled it correctly ("Paul-Henri Bourguignon"). But verbiage appeared at the top of my new article saying an article about Bourguignon already existed and was waiting for approval. But the article waiting for approval has the wrong title! What do I do? (I also deleted the contents pf the first article...). Athana (talk) 13:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Link to original article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jean-Paul_Bourguignon&action=submit

Link to corrected article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jean-Paul_Bourguignon&action=submit

@User:Athana: I found that you created the article Paul-Henri Bourguignon. If you believe the title is incorrect, you can simply move it to the correct one. GrabUp - Talk 13:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Athana Your new draft is at Draft:Paul-Henri Bourguignon but has been declined by an AfC reviewer. You can continue to work on it to attempt to show how he is wikinotable. Meanwhile you should place the template {{db-author}} into the now-blank page at your old draft Draft:Jean-Paul Bourguignon so it gets entirely deleted. A bot will remove it in 6 months but it would be better to do that now. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike. Athana (talk) 16:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Athana blanked it, so I deleted it (a blank page is deletable itself, but I also cited this discussion here). DMacks (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Rejected draft

It wasn't a test edit, the page was intentionally left blank to be correct. Please accept my draft. Also, the admin who declined the draft is deliberately refusing to answer. 78.208.149.146 (talk) 14:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. If you don't stop wasting everyone's time with Draft:List of adeguate admins you are likely to be blocked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

.... and has been, after more nonsense. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

it was likely declined for a good reason, i would suggest not bothering people who are just trying to do their job. especially considering editors and such arent really paid. ogusokumushi^{( ? )} 15:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Request move

Consensus was reached in favor of proposed move five-to-one: Talk:Saddle tramp (person); but it seems that the request to move was overlooked. What happens now? Maineartists (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

User:CFA took care of it. DMacks (talk) 17:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, User:CFA! Maineartists (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Changing my deletion vote?

Recently I proposed that an article be deleted, and, in the ensuing deletion discussion, other editors proposed a redirect instead. Their arguments are good, and they've persuaded me. Can I change my vote (or at least indicate that I agree)? In this case it probably won't make a difference, but in general/for future I would like to know the protocol for this. Thanks! candent_shlimazel (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You sure can. You can comment that you agree, strike out your previous comments, or both. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You basically withdrew your deletion nomination, so I closed the discussion and redirected the title. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Uncertain about reliable sources

Hi,

I am unable to resolve the issues which This draft currently contains.

I just got to know that Times of India isn't a reliable source at all, one of the reviwers mentioned it on This draft. Since, the subject is belonged to India.. I couldn't figure out this thing.

Lastly, If possible suggest me some reliable sources apart from Times of India where the subject is an Indian.. so that, I can improve this draft.

Thank You. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 19:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

If you read the RSP entry about it at WP:TOI, you'll see that it's yellow, meaning No consensus, unclear, or additional considerations apply: The source is marginally reliable (i.e. neither generally reliable nor generally unreliable), and may be usable depending on context. That assessment may be deprecated to "considered unreliable" based on recent discussion at WP:RSN. Either way, it isn't a great source. If you have others, it's best to remove citations to Times of India. You did identify three others in the AFC comments. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

There's something off of this sentence, but I just can't put my finger on it

I'm not sure how to word the following sentence from this article correctly:

"The swapped squares must match with three other squares of the same color to produce a bigger square."

For reference, here's the game's trailer: [1] TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 19:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Not a grammarian, but my guess based on the context of the sentence (pasted below from the article) is that the subject of the description in the first sentence is the player, but the subject in the second sentence is either the squares or the bigger square, and I think that ambiguity may be contributing to it being unclear.

How about:

In control of two four-by-six boards, the player's aim is to take the existing squares and make larger squares. The player accomplishes this by swapping squares between boards, with a goal of creating a larger square out of four matching squares. Once this is accomplished, the four smaller squares turn into a larger square of the same color. The larger squares are then used to advance gameplay, which is slightly different in each game mode. The game has four modes: ASYNC, free play, Quota, and Zoning.

Original:

Async Corp. is a puzzle game played from a top-down perspective. In control of two four-by-six boards, the player must choose two squares from each board to swap. The swapped squares must match with three other squares of the same color to produce a bigger square. The game has four modes: ASYNC, free play, Quota, and Zoning. Delectopierre (talk) 20:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

How to request protections for a biography of a living person?

I noticed on the article for Dennis Lindsey, a user with the same name as his wife removed the accusations against him some time ago. See diff here.

Does this warrant protections for this article? If so, how can I request them? Delectopierre (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Delectopierre! Protection is only used in cases where there is an ongoing situation where multiple accounts are causing disruption. Because this is neither multiple accounts nor ongoing protection isn't necessary here. If it was more recent it may have been useful to explain our conflict of interest guideline to that user but seeing as they have not edited in almost two years that would be unnecessary and potentially confusing to them unless they make a similar edit again. Tollens (talk) 20:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You might be interested in reading the protection policy and a rough guide to semi-protection. But in short, one edit that happened over a year ago doesn't warrant page protection, because protection will usually be avoided when blocking would work instead (like here, if the user kept making the same edits) or when the issues don't persist, as is the case right now. win8x (talking | spying) 20:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

An IP did remove the section again in June but the page hasn't been edited since. I've watchlisted it for now. C F A 💬 20:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewing a draft

I would like feedback as to whether this page meets standards of notability and steers clear of copyright issues. tia. User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo1 Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 20:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added the template so you can submit it for a review. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 20:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Also just one more, I promise User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo2 - should I wait until her next book comes out next year? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 20:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Allthemilescombined1, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that your draft has no chance at all of being accepted in its present state, because it does not appear to cite any sources which are independent of Bouchier.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

A draft with no such sources has no chance of being accepted. I recommend starting by finding sources each of which meet all three parts of the criteria in WP:42: unless you can find several such sources, you know that you will be unable to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and there is no point in spending any more time on that draft. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there a way to retract it, now that I submitted it? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

you can just wait for the decision from the reviewer, then follow the guide given going forward. Tesleemah (talk) 10:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 11:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Could you help me understand why the NYT article was not independent? Maybe it's not enough, since it's just one article? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1 As your draft makes clear, Bouchier was a NYT columnist for 10 years. Hence an article about him there could be construed as them blowing their own trumpet. An article in a different newspaper commenting on his work at the NYT would be much better. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I see. Thanks. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 21:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

A508 road

Hello there! I was wondering if someone could help me sort out the article named A508 road. I have been editing this article a lot recently, but I am starting to notice that it has lots of commentary, trivia and breaches of MOS:WE. Therefore, I was wondering if an editor could help me out and brush up the above, because I don't know which bits I should change, and what I should change it to, as I certainly don't want the articles taken to AfD. Many thanks in advance, Roads4117 (talk) 20:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Roads4117 It looks like a lot of first person commentary was deleted from that article by User:Steinsky the day before you posted here. Apart from there remaining some blank sub-sections, was there anything else you needed help with? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, now that it has been taken to AfD, I was just wondering what I should write overall instead of constantly saying The road turns left and becomes London Road, and continues straight for 3.0 miles (4.8 km), before reaching a junction with the M1, just before the village of Happithorpe. Roads4117 (talk) 10:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft

I'm new, so to learn how editing works I created an example draft. How much time will it take till some admin or someone reviews it? Parma Calcio 2023 (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

This appears to have been resolved. If you still need help with anything, please do ask! Tollens (talk) 21:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Fine, thank you. Parma Calcio 2023 (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

A username referring to an Italian soccer team: have we not met before? -- Hoary (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary What do you mean? Parma Calcio 2023 (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I'm new, so I'm still learning. Now I know that I have a sandbox where I can do editing tests without getting bothered, so I'll use that and I apologise for the time I made you waste previously. Parma Calcio 2023 (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Parma Calcio 2023, in the future, please do not submit test drafts for Articles for Creation review. That just wastes the time of reviewers. Please only submit drafts that you believe are ready for the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk)

School

On August 26th, I am going back to school. However, my high school's IP is part of a range of IPs that are blocked until December 2026. If I log in and edit Wikipedia while at school, will I get blocked for block evasion? BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 21:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Your account won't get blocked if your school IP address is blocked, but it is possible that you may not be able to edit from your school unless your account has the "IP block exemption" right. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

My account does not have that right. BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 21:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I know that. That user right is generally given to more experienced editors. It really depends on the type of block on your school IP address. When I block an IP address, I have an option to prevent editing by logged-in accounts on that IP address. That option is disabled by default. It's typically enabled only when sockpuppetry has been a problem. You should be OK, but without knowing your school IP address, I cannot examine the block to tell you exactly how the block would function for your account. Tell me the IP range and I'll let you know. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

209.18.48.0/20 BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 21:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You should be fine. The opton "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address" wan't set for that block. The only other option set was to prevent creating new accounts from that IP address range, which is normal for IP blocks, and wouldn't apply to you because you already have an account. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

ok BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 22:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

good to know BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 22:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Imprecise birthyear on biographic article

I am trying to add the missing birthyear to the article of a french singer. The most accurate source I could find quotes her saying: "It was 1985. I was 21.". This means she was either born in 1963 or 1964. Is it okay for me to write (*1963/1964) or should I rather leave the article as is? Any help/suggestions on what to do would be very much appreciated! 2001:9E8:A2E8:4300:C57A:B8EC:C5FA:48E5 (talk) 23:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You can definitely write that she was born in that year-pair as you propose. For infobox purposes, we even have {{Age as of date}}, which calculates the current age of someone when given a known age on some specific previous date. DMacks (talk) 23:42, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I think that is an acceptable solution until a more definitive source emerges. Cullen328 (talk) 23:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Circa is also a possibility. Cullen328 (talk) 23:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. There are a lot of custom templates for use in infoboxes. The appropriate one here is probably {{Birth based on age as of date}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Is this ready to submit to Afc?

I would like to convert this to Draft if appropriate: User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo2 Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it's ready for submission, but I moved it to Draft:Artis Henderson. -- Hoary (talk) 03:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Could you explain more about publishing a draft vs. submitting to Afc? Is there one way that gives me a chance to get help from more experienced editors? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 09:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1, "publish" in this case really translates to "save" - it will basically save your current text to Wikipedia's servers. Try to hit publish frequently, or at least whenever you make a big change to your draft. It doesn't do anything else except save the text (and update the draft).

"Submit" to AfC is what pushes your draft into the review pool, waiting for someone to come along and investigate it. Reviews have a pool rather than a queue; if a reviewer interested in your subject happens to see it they may well review it immediately, but on the other hand it might be a while before it's reviewed. 'Easy' drafts - ones that are very good or very bad - usually get reviewed the fastest. So your goal is to make your draft the best it can be, with suitable sources, well-written, and so on, because that will probably mean the first reviewer who sees it goes 'oh, this is good!' and accepts it.

Does that answer your question? If not, please feel free to ask further! StartGrammarTime (talk) 12:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I apologize for my repeated questions. Should I copy and paste into Afc template? Or, is my best option to start a discussion on the Talk page now that it's in Draft, to see if anyone wants to help improve it? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

methamfetamine

how do i prevent the cause of death from this. ILoveDefamation (talk) 02:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia cannot give medical advice. See Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer. We have an article about methamphetamine if you would like to learn about this substance and track down its cited refs to verify the content. If you have a personal medical situation, you would need to talk to your physician or other medical professional. DMacks (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

What is and is not analysis?

Hi. Brand new to the meta side of Wikipedia. Please forgive my stupid question.

Islam in Afghanistan#Radicalization and NATO presence

In the page (and section) linked above, I found the following sentence:

"As a politico-religious system, Islam is well-suited to the needs of a diverse, unorganized, often mutually antagonistic citizenry wishing to forge a united front against a common enemy, and war permitted various groups within the mujahideen to put into effect competing concepts of organization."

The above statement is not attributed to anyone, nor does there seem to be a source linked. Based on my extremely limited understanding of what is and is not appropriate for Wikipedia, this sentence seems to fall in the latter classification - it's analysis. Could someone more intimate with the platform clarify for me whether my thinking is wrong or right? I would be grateful. ChurchOfBassProShops (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ChurchOfBassProShops. I would agree. Every claim in a Wikipedia article should be verifiable from a single acceptable source. While it is not a requirement that that source be cited (though nowadays reviewers for example tend to insist on this) an unsourced and possibly contentious claim like that should be removed. While in principle a comment in the edit summary explaining why it was removed should be enough, in that area I would suggest puttting a note on the talk page explaining as awell. ColinFine (talk) 09:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Fix formatting please

I'm no good at formatting. If you go on the page List of United States Naval Academy alumni you'll see at the bottom of the Astronauts section the entry for Kayla Barron is not displaying correctly because of some problem with the formatting. I tried to fix it myself but couldn't. Can somebody fix it for me please? Thank you.SigurdsSister (talk) 03:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@SigurdsSister:  Done. C F A 💬 04:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! SigurdsSister (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit on Thomas Sowell page an "UNDUE PROMO"?

Hello,

I am new, still learning, trying to understand. Thanks for helping.

I added a new line to the Thomas Sowell to Reception section, first para last line: Sowell's book Social Justice Fallacies published on September 19, 2023 was an instant NY Times bestseller. I also cited and marked this as a minor edit - see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Sowell&diff=prev&oldid=1241001556 I then tweaked it a bit first to this Sowell's book Social Justice Fallacies published on September 19, 2023 debuted on the NY Times bestseller list on October 8, 2023 - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Sowell&diff=prev&oldid=1241003179 and then this, Sowell's book Social Justice Fallacies published on September 19, 2023 debuted on the NY Times bestseller list on October 8, 2023. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Sowell&diff=prev&oldid=1241004036

I was surprised to see my edit removed and this note: UNDUE PROMO. Should not have been marked a minor edit. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Sowell&action=history

I am confused as to why this edit is considered a promo. Isn't a book making it on the NY Times bestseller a fact that's important to include since it indicates one aspect of its reception? Thank you.

Anita Researcherasc (talk) 04:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

A 'minor edit' would be something like correcting a typo, or improving the punctuation of a passage. Adding new information is not a minor edit (see Help:Minor edit), and while I don't think you were acting in bad faith on this occasion, describing the addition of questionable or poorly cited material as a 'minor edit' is a common (though vain) tactic some use to try to sneak such material past page watchers, and therefore looks suspicious.

Adding the new book (with citation) to the article's bibliography would be uncontroversial; saying under Legacy that it 'debuted on a bestseller list' does look a little promotional. I suggest you contact the reverter SPECIFICO directly, and ask them whether the cited information you added would be acceptable if, perhaps, reworded or put somewhere different in the text. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.109.53 (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I stop receiving emails reading "Login to Wikipedia from a device you have not recently used"?

Every single day when I login to Wikipedia on my laptop, I get an email with the subject line "Login to Wikipedia from a device you have not recently used". It's honestly getting annoying. My laptop only uses one IP range geolocating to the same few towns, and I login roughly every 24 hours. How do I stop getting emails notifying me every time I log in? I've checked the preferences but I don't see an option for emails of that type. Atlantis536 (talk) 05:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

You didn't see how to 'Unsubscribe' icon from the email too? You can unsubscribe from unwanted emails if you want. Tesleemah (talk) 10:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Just saw it now. Thanks! Atlantis536 (talk) 09:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Good to know! Tesleemah (talk) 10:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Atlantis536 I have Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo set so that I would get emails after any login from an unfamiliar device but I never do despite changing IP address quite frequently. I suspect that's because I allow cookies to be set on my devices. You should ensure that your browser is allowing Wikipedia's cookies and also tick the box that says "keep me logged in for up to a year". Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Non-Free image rationale for article in userspace draft

Hello, I am currently writing the draft article of Suchitra Academy, and for that I have uploaded its logo to Wikipedia. I have added a clear description for the Non-Free Image fair use rationale using a template. As the article is still in my userspace draft, it has been labeled as a orphan image with a notice of deletion in 7 days. I cannot create the article until I finish my draft, but there is warning saying WARNING: Suchitra Academy does not appear to exist!, leading it to be classified as an orphan. What should I do in this situation? Any help or suggestion is appreciated. Thanks! Bunnypranav (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:Non-free content says: "Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in the article namespace, subject to exemptions." So it may not appear in a draft. Inclusion of a logo (or any other picture) does nothing to help a draft be promoted to full article status. What is necessary for promotion is evidence of notability (as defined by and for Wikipedia); currently, your draft has no evidence of such notability. I do not see WARNING: Suchitra Academy does not appear to exist!; where do you see it? -- Hoary (talk) 07:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I am currently working on and writing my draft, it still has a lot of room for expansion, and I will do it. My question is that am I allowed to keep the logo on Wikipedia till I complete my draft, or should I upload it after my draft has been promoted? The warning is visible in the heading/start of the non-free media use rationale template. Bunnypranav (talk) 08:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I repeat: "'Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in the article namespace, subject to exemptions.' So it may not appear in a draft." Perhaps I should have pointed you to WP:Non-free content criteria, which is more authoritative and shorter. (No exemption lets you use non-free media in a draft.) I suggest that you start your promised expansion of the draft by summarizing what reliable sources that are independent of Suchitra Academy (and therefore disinterested) have said about Suchitra Academy. -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand, thanks for the clarification. Bunnypranav (talk) 09:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

"Quality image" and "Valued image"

Hello,

Perplexity AI recommended me to ask questions here. Is this the right place?

I would like to ask about "good images". I see that this image was nominated for "Quality image" and "Valued image":

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NIO_ET5_Motorworld_Munich_1X7A0050.jpg

I would like to nominate this image for "Quality image" and "Valued image":

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NIO_ET5.jpg

How do I do that? Modular science (talk) 07:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see c:Commons:Valued images and c:Commons:Quality images. Once you've read up on what's involved, decide whether an image merits nomination; and if it does, then read up on how to nominate it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Hoary Modular science (talk) 09:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

archiving stuff

why do they archive stuff?? and by archive i mean archives like "most recent archives" something like that DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 08:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@DANiHeARTz. .MEE If you mean like the archives at the top of this page, it's primarily on high traffic talk pages and places like the Teahouse. The reason for it is simply the amount of people that leave messages, if there was no archive then places like the Teahouse would reach a point where they become simply unusable. It also means that if people want, they can go back through the archives and find the answers to their individual questions.

People do like to archive stuff on their own talk pages as well, for example on mine I have an archive so that at the end of the year I can create a new archive, move everything there and start anew. Keeps things cleaner. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 08:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Archive are to clean up and create space for more updates, especially if such matter has been resolved.

Just like old newspapers are kept in archive, to preserve them while giving room latest headlines. Tesleemah (talk) 08:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Also can i use bold, italic and more for replying purposes? DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 08:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Suuuuuure you can. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 08:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks could you type random gibberish and combine those all in one text :P DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 09:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@DANiHeARTz. .MEE: Welcome to the Teahouse. At that point, no, as that makes it apparent that you're not here to build an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

sorry my bad just was a little interested on a few pages.. DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 14:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

also i want to edit pages but then im so confused on neutral point and view and stuff idk is there simple version of how to neutral point a page DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Review Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and then ask here if still not clear. David notMD (talk) 15:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Time from DYK Nomination to Public Release

Hello. I wrote an article Umehara ga kimeta and nominated it for DYK, and as far as I can see from The DYK process, the nomination appears to be complete. is there any further work for me to do, or can I just watch?

I havent found the name of the article in Did you know/Queue, but if you can give me an approximate date of publication, please let me know. 狄の用務員 (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@狄の用務員 Your article has been approved, which is good news, but it hasn't been promoted yet. It won't be added into a queue until a second user comes along and slaps a second green tick on it. For a sample timeline (and I have no idea how representative this is, but it will give you an idea of the steps involved):

• I nominated Balkan terrapin for DYK on 8 October 2023
• It was reviewed and approved on 17 October 2023
• It was promoted on 8 November 2023. It got added to a preparation area at the same time.
• It appeared on the Main Page on 20 Novembere 2023

So that's a little over a month. I looked at some other DYK noms and some were as fast as one week or so. Given that you nominated your article just yesterday, I'd very tentatively guess that it should appear on the Main Page sometime in September.

Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I understood most of it. Thank you very much! 狄の用務員 (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Number (prefix)

For the life of me, I can not locate the required styling ([[WP:MoS]]) when talking about record chart placings. Is it 'the single reached number 12', or ... No. 12' or ... # 12' ? Or is there not a preferred methodology, as long as a consistent method is used throughout the article ? I thought that I found something about this years ago, but the passage of time may have confused me (most things do these days). Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Derek R Bullamore as there is no specific MOS guideline, I would assume that retaining one standard form in the article is appropriate. From some quick looks at other articles, the de facto standard seems to be your first suggestion, i.e. "number X" (e.g. Last Christmas and All I Want for Christmas Is You) – Isochrone (talk) 15:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. By pure coincidence, I more recently found MOS:NUMBERSIGN, which states not to use # in that instance, but both number and No. are fine. So I think I maybe found what I could not find before - either way, I am happy. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a page???

Plz help me how to create a page. Danaimuratkali (talk) 16:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Danaimuratkali: Welcome to Wikipedia! You can submit an article for inclusion with the Article Wizard. You may wish to read Help:Your first article first. C F A 💬 16:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Echoing that: :Given that this is your first edit with this account, strong advice (often ignored) is for newbies to gain experience by weeks of improving existing articles before attempting to create and article. If you would rather dive into the deep end, WP:YFA describes how to create and then submit a draft, and WP:42 describes the necessity and quality of references. The content of a draft must be verified by valid references. What you know to be true counts as nothing without verification. David notMD (talk) 16:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Danaimuratkali, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

As others have said, new editors who try to create an article before they have spent time learning about Wikipedia often have a frustrating experience: would you enter a major tournament when you have only just started learning to play tennis? Or try to build a whole car when you were beginning to learn about engineering?

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Need help improving my page

Hello everyone, I tried to create a wiki page, but my submissions are declined because of COI (even though I added the disclaimer), can someone please help me to improve my page. It is not neutral enough, and I would need someone to tell me what I should add or delete to make it neutral. Moreover, I do not know what sources to add. The goal is not to make it an add, but just to explain the brand. I already read a lot of articles made for wiki-beginners, but I'm a bit lost. Can someone take a little time to review the page and give me advices? Thanks in advance.

User:Aurélie Nanquette/sandbox#Organic Approach Clementine Renaut (talk) 16:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Celementine, and welcome to the Teahouse.

As I just said to another new editor above, when a new editor tries to create an article before they have learnt a great deal about how Wikipedia works, they often have a very frustrating experience. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Looking at your draft, most of the history section is unsourced, and a lot of it is irrelevant. Why on earth would an encyclopaedia article about a company mention that its founder was in the army during WWI? (never mind using the poetic rather than encyclopaedic language "joined the ranks of") Or that his son fought in WWII?

An article about a company should summarise what independent reliable published sources say about the company, and that is all (apart possibly from a small amount of uncontroversial factual information - eg dates and locations - from non-independent published sources).

One of the difficulties of writing with a COI is that it is difficult to forget absolutely everything you know about the subject and simply summarise what other people have published about it - especially if you disagree with what they say. But that is what you need to do. ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I am an AfC reviewer. The first thing I advise you to do is removed everything in the article that is not cited. The purpose of Wikipedia is to summarise what independent sources say about a topic, so it does not make sense to have all the incited information. Past reviewers have mentioned this.

There is also quite a bit that seems to be information that you, as someone connected with the topic, wants the world to know. This is also not the purpose of Wikipedia.

I wonder if you may have written the draft backwards? -- NotCharizard ^🗨 17:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Made big cuts. Cut more before submitting again. David notMD (talk) 17:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Under your current User name, there is no evidence that you have denied COI or PAID. David notMD (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me, I added the disclaimer in my profile Clementine Renaut (talk) 17:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Currently at Draft:Champagne Telmont. David notMD (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for what you have done and your advices, I also made cuts and tried my best to change the vocabulary as I don't speak English fluently, do you think it is ready to submit ? Clementine Renaut (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I am not a Reviewer. David notMD (talk) 20:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

SVG file displaying(?) incorrectly

Hello y'all,

I have been trying to update File:War in Sudan (2023).svg, and created a current SVG file to replace the map. When I uploaded it, the image lost resolution, gained a white background, and lost it's fonts. How do I upload an SVG while retaining the format of the original?

Thanks! GGOTCC (talk) 16:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@GGOTCC: I cannot see anything wrong. All the versions look pretty much the same to me. Maybe you're having an issue with browser caching? Try refreshing the page with ctrl-shift-R. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Huh, interesting. I'll do that, thanks for the advice! GGOTCC (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@GGOTCC I am not a graphics designer myself so cannot directly help. If the images are freely licensed, please ask at Commons:Help otherwise you may have better luck at English Wikipedia WP:Village pump (Technical) ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Looking for better image - Michael A. Hess

This image of Michael A. Hess, former Republican Party Chief Counsel and subject of the book "The Lost Child of Philomena Lee", later a movie, screams "fake" to me... https://freshlyworded.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/michael_hess_lawyer.jpg - head too large for body, lighting of same does not match the remainder of photo - very odd. Nevertheless it is reproduced as the "official portrait 1998 1988" of the subject in Martin Sixsmith's book; for now I have added a cropped version of it to the WP article (it was there before but I removed it as too weird)... Is there anybody with access to a yearbook or similar for the Republican Party of that era who might be able to supply a better one? Just hoping. Or any other comments on this particularly odd image... Thanks in advance. Tony 1212 (talk) 18:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Well the crop doesn't show his body so it looks fine to me in the article. Bear in mind that official portraits are inevitably Photoshopped these days which may be why it looks odd. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, there was a typo in my original post, for 1998 read 1988, now adjusted... I don't think photoshop was around then (??), although manual cut-out and paste was of course an option! But I still wonder why, and whether a better original might exist in hard copy somewhere... Tony 1212 (talk) 19:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Photoshop was "originally created in 1987" according to the relevant WP article. So this could be an early effort I guess!! Tony 1212 (talk) 19:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

At first glance, it doesn't scream "fake" to me, it screams "I want to sell you a used car!" ~Anachronist (talk) 21:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The "head too large for body" effect may be due to his sideways stance's making his body look thinner and thus smaller in relation to his head. Deor (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

His hairdo exaggerates the effect also. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

This image https://i.postimg.cc/vTBvnCZV/20240819-162505-modded.jpg shows what he would look like (roughly) with head reduced by 10% relative to the rest of the body ... about what seems right to me (just an aside, I do not intend to use this picture because according to my theory it is still not his body, or probably his room). Ideally a non-tampered with image would still be better, if one can be found - maybe not... Cheers Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 05:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

If that picture would be used, it would be best to crop it so it's just a headshot anyway. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Correct - in fact that is the picture I did use (without the resizing), body mostly cropped away (the cleanest version I can locate). So the "problem" is effectively invisible in the WP article, except for a little area around the neck maybe. Still does not account for the notional "fakeness" of the image as discussed above, which prompted my suggestion that there might be something more accurate out there, but again as stated above, maybe this is the best we can get. Another consideration - I have treated this as a "fair use", but non public domain image, uploaded for the purposes of gracing this WP article only; if a verifiable official US govt. portrait could be located, that might be in the public domain, therefore more widely useable. Just a thought. Regards - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 18:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, he wasn't a government official, he was a lawyer for the Republican Party, so it's unlikely there would be a government portrait. I think that's the best we can do. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Tony 1212 (talk) 04:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Good movie websites

Elaborating on my last question, which is now archived, which movie websites would be good? IF you can, provide a list of good and bad websites. 3.14 (talk) 21:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the answers you got last time are adequate, particularly in view of the fact that you are vague about what constitutes a "movie website". I suggested Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. Newspaper reviews from notable reviewers are also good. It isn't clear exactly what you are asking for if you have to ask it again in the same vague manner as before. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but can you provide the answers from last time? In all honesty, I might have forgot all of them. 3.14 (talk) 20:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1232#Slavitza Jovan translated. The answer from ColinFine below is much better, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. 3.14 (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 3.14. Have a look at WP:WikiProject Film/Resources. ColinFine (talk) 21:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, excellent, I wasn't aware of that comprehensive list. I never looked at that Wikiproject page before. @3.14159265459AAAs: at the bottom there is also a short section about sites to avoid. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I've never seen it before either, @Anachronist: I just had a hunch it might exist. ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

im trying to get all my drivers in my disk top computer

im trying to get my drivers in my disk top computer it keep saying i need 0x7f drivers why? 147.219.207.203 (talk) 21:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

If you can express this more clearly, you might try asking it at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. -- Hoary (talk) 21:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Media statistics for Wikipedia

Is there a Media Statistics page for Wikipedia specifically? Tule-hog (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Special:MediaStatistics. (I had no idea either of these existed) ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

That's 300 GB of media. But that's just on Wikipedia. It's interesting that the same page on Commons shows the collection is over 3 orders of magnitude bigger, over 500 TB. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

For those interested, see the inspiration for the question, where this difference might be critical. Tule-hog (talk) 00:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

How would I fix this link error?

I encountered a link error trying to add a new section to a page. It was a Check |url= value error but I dont exactly understand because the previous link had a nearly identical setup. Link error occurs here MetricPin (talk) 23:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

This is what you added https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sail_(song)&diff=prev&oldid=1241206124

url=Tunefind https://www.tunefind.com › show Season 19 - Family Guy Soundtrack

it needs to be only the https part, nothing else

RudolfRed (talk) 23:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Wrong edit summary left

I accidentally clicked the wrong dropdown option for my edit summary. Oddly enough I do not believe that I have ever actually done this before and published the edit before. This was for a redirect that I created at this page My cow wants to have fun. What should you do if you leave a mistaken edit summary, but the edit itself is fine? Should I leave a trivial follow up edit on the page to clarify that it was a "#redirect" to be created and not an "Infobox image" as my mistaken edit summary says? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: You can make a dummy edit (see that link) so you can leave an edit summary explaining your last edit. I like to say in a dummy edit summary: "Dummy edit. My last edit summary was incorrect. What I really did was [insert what you did here]." ‍Relativity ⚡️ 01:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand. I am having a difficult time thinking of what "dummy edit" to make on this particular redirect page. Since it is just a redirect, and not a regular page, I cannot even just fudge with the white space and create a harmless "dummy edit", I might just have to leave it be and hope that someone does not see the erroneous edit summary and not review/patrol the redirect as a result. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I patrolled it. Don't worry about it. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Things like "insert a blank line before the REDIRECT line" or adding/adjusting the whitespace in the R from... templates would work. DMacks (talk) 02:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Citation links

When I'm making a citation to an online news article, and the author just so happens to have a Wikipedia article, how can I link their name despite the first and last name boxes being separated in the template? TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 02:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Trevortnidesserped: Hey there! {{Cite news}}, assuming you're using that template, has an |author-link= parameter for that purpose. Just set it to the title of the author's article. Happy editing! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Question about page move

Hi, quick question, does moving a page (for renaming purposes) nullify its reviewed status and hence is required to be patrolled again before it can be indexed in search results? Thank you. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 05:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

AFAIK, it keeps its reviewed status if it is just a simple move. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ca: Thank you for the answer! — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 22:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

need admin help/attention

Hi, please look into this incident of personal attack against me by an user who reverted many of my edits without an explanation following a content dispute on a particular article. here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Shivam Thiruppathi 456legendtalk 06:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

There's no need to post about this on the Teahouse, an admin will get to the ANI thread when they can. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 07:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Issue with Wikipedia Page Deletion After Successful Publication by a Freelancer

Hello everyone,

Since English is my second language, I hired a freelancer from Upwork to publish two pages on Wikipedia:

1.     The first page is for my non-profit organization.

2.     The second page is for the Secretary-General of the organization, who is a politician and diplomat and already has a page on Arabic Wikipedia.

This person sent a real links showing that the pages were live, and we confirmed it by visiting the link from multiple devices. The page were not in "draft" status. After that, I released the remaining payment. However, a week later, the pages were deleted from Wikipedia.

I have since tried to republish the pages, but each time I face significant difficulties in meeting the requirements.

My question is: Why did the Wikipedia administration approve and publish the pages correctly, only to delete them so easily afterward? If I want to file a formal complaint, to whom should I direct it?

Please note that this issue has caused me significant embarrassment at work, and I might even get fired because of it, especially since we paid the freelancer a considerable amount of money.

Here are the links to the two pages:

1-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Khalifa_International_Award_for_Date_Palm_and_Agricultural_Innovation

2-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Abdelouahhab_Zaid Bilalkiaai (talk) 08:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a complicated history here. Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid was created by User:Nuel Jr (since indefinitely blocked as an undeclared paid editor). Nuel Jr converted a draft to an article without going through the required AfC process. An editor converted if back to a draft. User:Bilalkiaai has been editing the draft, and on User page has declared PAID status for the other article, but not this one. That ommission should be remedied and the draft can be submitted. The other draft has been submitted to AfC and Declined. In answer to the questions, reviewers approve drafts, not Administrators, and in both instances the original paid editor avoided the review process. I am guessing both were deleted because they were created by an undeclared paid editor. David notMD (talk) 09:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Mr. David

What I should do now?

how can I republish it

As you see, it non profit "Award". even it's published successfully in Arabic Wikipedia version Bilalkiaai (talk) 09:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The Wikipedias of different languages are independent of each other. The fact that a subject has an article in Arabic-language Wikipedia does not mean that it can get one in English-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 09:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

[Edit clash] :I only looked at the one draft. Bilalkiaai uploaded the first version of Draft:Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation on 28 July 2022. The draft was abandoned, and for this reason deleted. On 19 May 2024 Nuel Jr (now persona non grata) recreated it and a few hours later promoted it to full article status. On 5 July 2024 it was judged too promotional to be an article, and moved to a draft (so that it could be stripped of promotionalism and otherwise improved). A few hours later it was judged too promotional even to be a draft, and deleted. On 6 August 2024 Bilalkiaa recreated the draft. As I look at the draft I don't see any summary within it of any discussion of the award by any reliable, disinterested source: thus the award seems to fail the test for notability. I wish you luck getting your money back. -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

For Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid, you should first add that to your declaration of PAID on your User page, and given that you have already cut a lot of the bad content, submit it to AfC. That will elicit a review. David notMD (talk) 09:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I have tagged Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid with a banner that allows you to submit it for review. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

social need

41.122.3.141 (talk) 14:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a question? David notMD (talk) 15:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, are you asking for someone to talk to if so go to Jaymie Campbell user page Jaymie Campbell (talk) 00:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Should I resubmit or not?

Hi,

This draft is currently on hold, as it lacks notabilities. One of the reviewers stated that, I might get blocked forever If I submit the draft for review again. Now, I'm in dual situation.

Should I resubmit it or move on.? As I have spent a lot of time for this draft only.

Thank You. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 16:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Perfectodefecto. Assuming you're talking about Draft:Pawandeep Rajan, it has been rejected, which is the end of the road. Please don't spend any more time on this. ColinFine (talk) 16:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The draft is not "on hold", and it has not been declined. It has been rejected. That means resubmission is considered disruptive, so cut your losses and move on. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

alright. Now everything is clear. Thanks. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 23:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Could anyone take a look at this?

Template:Did you know nominations/Europapa Sekundenlang (talk) 16:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, that's handled via WP:DYK. Please go there for more information about the process. 331dot (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sekundenlang It can take a few days for those who follow up on DYKs to get to new nominations. It is a bit unusual for someone not involved in editing an article to nominate it for a DYK but, no doubt, you had good reasons to do so. For what it's worth, I prefer the ALt0 to ALT1, as the former is more "hooky", IMO. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1 is a reference to how Joost Klein wore Klein blue. - Sekundenlang (talk) 10:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Fixing strange formatting on a File: Page

When looking at File:Webcomic xkcd - Wikipedian protester.png I've noticed that the items under the Other Versions heading are formatted in such a way that it's unclear which caption applies to which image. Looking at the original info on Commons there seems to be no such formatting issues. Is it possible to fix the formatting issue on the en side? 161.11.160.60 (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I see what you mean, IP user: they're laid out in a single vertical list with a large gap between each version and its caption, so the captions are easily misread as relating to the following image.

Unfortunately, this is part of the user interface, rather than anything that an editor can do anything about, so it is unlikely to get addressed here. I suggest bringing it up at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 19:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

This is phab:T118728 from 2015: "Gallery styles missing on local file description pages". Still no fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I see you've commented on that task, thanks for letting me know folks are at least aware of the problem, maybe it'll get fixed someday. 161.11.160.60 (talk) 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Resubmitting a rejected bio

After making corrections requested by the reviewing editor, I am ready to resubmit Draft:Cristina Eisenberg. However, the reviewer claims she is not notable. I disagree: she holds a named chair at a major institution, and she is the lead author on a major White House report in her field. Plus she is an Indigenous scientist, so including her can help address the gender and Indigenous gaps in Wikipedia. Can I make this argument somewhere in the draft so the next reviewer can see it? I don't want to risk this getting rejected again. Thanks for your help! Bodhipup (talk) 21:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Your draft was declined NOT rejected, rejection would mean no further chance, but declined means you can improve it and re-submit. Theroadislong (talk) 21:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Great, good to know, thanks! Bodhipup (talk) 22:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Theroadislong, just to let you know that I clarified the bio to emphasize her endowed chair (with source) and added a paragraph (with source) to call attention to her federal-level leadership in her field. Are you the person who would respond to or remove the comment in the draft about not meeting notability criteria? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cristina_Eisenberg Thanks! Bodhipup (talk) 04:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The article itself needs to state these details, with citations to verify them. Being an Indigenous scientist does not sound like a detail of notability, unless you can find a ref that discusses it (are Indigenous peoples rare or under-represented in this field, has she been profiled in a way that highlights this aspect, etc.). The article says she is, and we know about the coverage gap, but that's not a basis for inclusion if she's not actually notable for other things. DMacks (talk) 21:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The opening sentence states her Indigeneity. The details of gender and Indigenous gaps are not material for a bio, in my understanding. The second paragraph states her academic position, with citation. What more is needed, specifically? Bodhipup (talk) 22:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

This helps, thanks! Bodhipup (talk) 23:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bodhipup. Notability, in Wikipedia's sense, does not depend much on what the subject is, does, says, or creates, but on whether independent people have published enough material about the subject. If somebody is notable in the ordinary sense of the word, it is likely that there has been independent material published about them, but not always. It is the writer's responsibility to find and cite those independent sources which cover the subject in depth. Source written, published, or commissioned by the subject or their associates contribute nothing. ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I am following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics), where it says that any one of the 8 criteria simply has to be verified by a reputable source for the person to be considered notable. #5 is holding a named chair. That is stated in the article, and a reputable source is cited. Bodhipup (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bodhipup I don't see a citation to a named chair, only one that says she is "the Maybelle Clark Macdonald Director of Tribal Initiatives", which I don't think is equivalent (and for which no Wikipedia article exists to show that endowment is itself notable). If you believe this meets academic notability #5, then comment on the draft to point this out for the next review. I think you should use named references. At present, many of your sources are duplicates. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, this helps clarify. Bodhipup (talk) 19:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Mike, I just converted duplicate sources to named references. Thanks for the heads up. Bodhipup (talk) 04:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected talk page for non-autoconfirmed user

User:GDColon is not autoconfirmed, but his talk page is semi-protected due to vandalism. Is he still be able to edit his talk page? BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 21:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

BombCraft8, that account has not edited in well over four years, and had only made three edits. It seems that their user talk page attracted lots of vandalism because of their online persona on other websites. If they were to return to editing and request unprotection of their talk page, I think that request would be granted. Cullen328 (talk) 01:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 03:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding Suggest bot to my talk page

I have tried to add the code in the source but it has not worked, What else should I try to do? User talk:CharlieRidesRollerCoasters CharlieRidesRollerCoasters (talk) 22:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you in advance CharlieRidesRollerCoasters (talk) 02:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@CharlieRidesRollerCoasters You seem to have added the code correctly. The bot does go down occasionally. I suggest you post at User talk:SuggestBot mentioning the problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, Sounds good i will do that! Thank you for your help! CharlieRidesRollerCoasters (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

phil

can i please edit the page Philadelphia Pennsylvania Philipf1234 (talk) 23:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Philipf1234. Your account is autoconfirmed, so you can edit Philadephia in compliance with our policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 00:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

email address

So when I created my account I put in the wrong email address by accident and I was wondering if there is any way to change that without creating a whole new acount. Jaymie Campbell (talk) 23:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Jaymie Campbell, go to your "Preferences" section and you will find your email address in your "User profile". You can correct your email address there. Cullen328 (talk)

Mobile view

Something changed within the last few hours. It used to be so if I was viewing a wiki page on my cell phone, and clicked the language button to go to a different language version, I would see the mobile version. Now I see the standard version instead. Batrachoseps (talk) 00:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the URL, it should read as en.m.wik... If you remove the m, it should revert you back to desktop view. ✶Quxyz✶ 01:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I know, but I hardly think I should have to do that every time. Batrachoseps (talk) 01:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

at the very bottom of the page, you can see the "desktop view" at the rightmost part, click it and it will switch the default view back to desktop so you don't need to keep changing it on the url. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 10:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't aware of it. To clarify, I was talking about when I was using a cell phone and wanted to use mobile view, but it showed desktop view instead. In any case, it doesn't seem to change the default view.

It used to be that it always redirected to mobile view when you were using a cell phone. Is that no longer the case? Batrachoseps (talk) 06:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Check the links you are clicking. Usually search engines like Google will give you the appropriate version, however, occasionally it will flip-flop. Also, I believe that direct links brings one directly to the linked version, but I am not sure how that works on mobile. ✶Quxyz✶ 11:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Mentors

Hey,I just made an account today and I didn't get a metor like my sister told me I should. Does anybody know how I can get one. Jaymie Campbell (talk) 00:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jaymie Campbell, you should have one now (I claimed you). Welcome to wikipedia! -- asilvering (talk) 01:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

In case other newcomers read this and now want a mentor, you can force the system to assign one by navigating to Special:Preferences and ticking the box "Display newcomer homepage" near the foot of that page. Then when you are viewing your own userpage, you'll see the newcomer homepage as an extra tab, which reveals your mentor. My understanding from WP:GTF is that all new accounts are now being assigned mentors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Family Business

Hi, I find it very annoying that in the following article Family business that TMP or The Maria Principle is mentioned but my thesis is not mentioned in the list of references. Could someone who understands editing please add it in for me. Much appreciated in advance! Factors that influence positive succession outcomes and longevity in long-lasting Australian family enterprises

Scotland, A. (2010)

Factors that influence positive succession outcomes and longevity in long-lasting Australian family enterprises

https://researchportal.scu.edu.au/esploro/outputs/doctoral/Factors-that-influence-positive-succession-outcomes/991012821138902368/filesAndLinks?index=0 Luminous88 (talk) 02:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

That mention was added by Tony.scotland (talk · contribs) some years ago. Since it was a bit of inappropriate self promotion, I have removed the mention. I trust that resolves the issue. MrOllie (talk) 02:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Greetings MrOllie. Yes, I added the reference to The Maria Principle in 2011, 13 years ago because I thought that my research was relevant to this topic. If I was interested in self-promotion I would acted sooner on getting my thesis referenced. If you would kindly reinsert the mention of The Maria Principle and add in the reference to my thesis, that would be much appreciated. 49.181.218.81 (talk) 02:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe it should have been added in the first place so I will not reinsert it. MrOllie (talk) 02:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, references are used to cite reliable sources that support an article's claims. Most theses are not reliable:

Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence.
— Wikipedia:Reliable sources § Scholarship

jlwoodwa (talk) 02:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Greetings jlwoodwa, I am not sure what constitutes "significant scholarly influence" but I can tell you that my thesis has been downloaded more than 5,000 times in over 20 academic institutions in over 20 countries globally. 49.181.218.81 (talk) 02:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Downloads are not really a measure of influence. If it had been cited 5,000 times (or even 500 times) that would be 'significant scholarly influence.' MrOllie (talk) 02:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Editor erasing our page info

Hi. i am a member of green jello. Our drummer, myself and our museum creator keep trying to update the wiki page and one editor keeps deleting our information regarding members, history and website. How do i resolve this? Rosie Euck Jellÿ (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rosie Euck Jellÿ

Since you have a conflict of interest with the this article it's not appropriate to be editing it directly, rather follow these instructions for making an edit request.

If you want more on the relevant policies I'd suggest reading the Plain and Simple Conflict of Interest Guide - and particuarly under Advice you may want to turn your attention to points 3, 4, 7 and 12.

Hope that helps, -- D'n'B-t -- 05:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Rosie Euck Jellÿ, the article about Green Jellÿ says Green Jellÿ has had hundreds of members during its existence, with vocalist Bill Manspeaker the only consistent member throughout. I do not know if "hundreds" is correct but that statement calls into question the unreferenced assertion that this little list of the quirky stage names of otherwise non-notable musicians deserves to be included in this article. Wikipedia does not care in the slightest what the members and others associated with a band want to say about themselves. Acceptable Wikipedia articles about bands summarize what reliable sources completely independent of the band say about the band. So, where did this list come from, and why does in belong on Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 05:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

What would be the best way to replace all usages of a file?

Hello, I'm am currently doing a massive overhaul of Slovakia city flags, included in this is replacing old raster flags with their svg counterparts.

What would be the most efficient way replace all uses of "flag_x.jpg" with "flag_x.svg" across all Wiki projects for multiple flags? EnzoTC (talk) 06:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

EnzoTC, this question may be better suited to Village pump technical where technically oriented editors tend to congregate. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! EnzoTC (talk) 06:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Can someone make a page about “حي البحيرات“ in Mecca ?

Because right outside of it is Masjid Al-Taneem and it’s a place people go around by car before Hijra…

so… can somebody make article? Please? Bebo12321 - Talk 10:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bebo12321 well, yes, we all can make such an article but it isn't likely anyone will do so unless they are interested in the topic. We are all volunteers here. If you want to give it a try, I suggest you look at this general guide to the process and note that this is the English Wikipedia, so all our articles and titles need to be in English. Google translate says that the title might be "Lakes district (Mecca)". Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bebo12321: One place to request a page like this is on Wikipedia:WikiProject Saudi Arabia/Article requests. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Arbitration on edit?

How can I seek arbitration on an edit? An article about a song has endured the continuous reversal of a small edit, an edit that is based on a valid and substantive citation / reference. An editor added a detail to the article’s infobox, based on this source some time ago, and it has been removed a number of times by editors with little or no editing history. I’ve restored the small edit several times over the last couple of years but editors who seem particularly focused on this specific article keep removing this cited detail. Any help in settling this edit would be appreciated. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother Assuming this is about Yet Another Movie the standard process of collaboration (see WP:BRD) is to start a discussion with other editors at Talk:Yet Another Movie, which neither you nor anyone else has done. If that doesn't solve the issue, then proceed to dispute resolution. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother: if you do open a discussion there, you could start by withdrawing your accusation of vandalism. Here on Wikipedia, "vandalism" does not mean "expressing an opinion I disagree with". See WP:VANDAL for what it does mean. Maproom (talk) 15:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother Further to the correct responses above, your edit summaries, and your comment here, claim that the fact you seek to add is "cited", but you don't include a citation of any sort (much less one that is both independent of Carin, and reliable) in your edits. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom@Michael D. Turnbull@Pigsonthewing - I’ll start a discussion on the page shortly and am happy to initiate a discussion about the cited item. Any of the editors who have removed this reference can make their case there too, no problem (but they haven’t). The article cited includes perspectives from more than Carin. So I think it’s worth the discussion. Thank you. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 23:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

You again say "The article cited", and yet you did not cite any article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Page of company

Hello this Rahaf Alansari from MAHAM Group

“We have been trying for the past three months to create a Wikipedia page for our company, Maham for Services and Information Technology in both Arabic and English. Unfortunately, each time we attempt to publish, the page is deleted immediately after submission. What is the solution to this issue?

It is important to note that this company is very well-known in Saudi Arabia, and the owner has made significant contributions to both the Saudi and Emirati communities. The owner is a highly influential figure in their field, with excellent relations across various departments within the Saudi Entertainment Authority. He holds numerous certifications and accolades, has many exceptional qualities, and is a self-made individual.”

This message clearly explains your situation while highlighting the importance and recognition of the company and its owner. 188.53.176.43 (talk) 11:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

It does not seem that there has ever been an article titled "Maham Group", "MAHAM Group", or "Maham for Services and Information Technology", or a draft titled "Draft:Maham Group", "Draft:MAHAM Group", or "Draft:Maham for Services and Information Technology". Even if you can provide reliable, disinterested sources for what you say here about the owner of the company, this wouldn't contribute to the notability of the company he owns. As for the company itself, being "very well-known" also doesn't constitute notability. Have reliable, disinterested sources written about the company in some depth? -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Rahaf Alansari. I suspect your submission is being deleted for being promotional. Promotion of any kind is not allowed on Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a business directory. Before trying again I suggest you read WP:BACKWARD and WP:YFA. Please note that being well-known, with significant contributions, being highly influential with excellent relations, having numerous certifications and accolades, and many exceptional qualities are all completely irrelevant to us. Instead we need to see significant coverage in multiple reliable sources completely independent of you or the company. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

You asked your question without being logged onto an account. The IP 188.53.176.43 shows no activity other than this query. Have you created an account? Has your account received any comments on its Talk page? David notMD (talk) 12:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Given your first sentence, WP:PAID applies. That means you are limited to creating and then submitting a draft to the AfC process (after declaring your paid status on your User page). David notMD (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what's been said above, please refrain from using LLMs to forge answers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Article Submission declined

I'm a new editor and my submission was declined for this reason;

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

How do I cite my sources using footnotes, and what does that mean. Here's a link to the draft: Draft:Isaac Damian Ezirim

ErinayoObialo (talk) 12:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

You were instructed to see Referencing for beginners. That has instructions on how to format website references (your list) and how to insert those into the text. The ref software replaces the inserted ref with a superscript number and shows the ref under References. David notMD (talk) 13:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@ErinayoObialo Note that for biographies of living people, the rules for using citations are very strict. You must back up every fact with an inline citation that directly supports the information. See that link for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

1) Find the end of the sentence that you are referencing, and place your cursor there.

2) Go to the button at the top of the editor that looks like a quotation mark. It looks like this --> "

3) Click on it.

4) Add your source link, or manually add it.

5) The source will appear as a bracketed number at the end of your sentence. But you're not done yet.

6) Click the button that looks like this ----> +

7) Click "more"

8) Find references list, and click on it. Move this down below your "references" header.

9) Make sure that in the future you search the swathes of wikipedia content that are out there specifically for learning how to make an article, there are a lot of good things out there.

10) Don't be discouraged, this happens to everyone at some point. Guylaen (talk) 05:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

How do you edit

I am strugguling 80.44.231.197 (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

In your one edit as this IP you removed a section title and image from an existing article, now reverted. What were you trying to do? Are you also editing logged into an account? David notMD (talk) 13:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! See WP:TUTORIAL for a quick overview on how to edit. Sincerely, Dilettante 20:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

banned (from dutch wikipedia)

hey, iam banned from the dutch wikipedia. When does that mean that i get banned here? Zozo7077 (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zozo7077 If you continue your "repeated vandalism" here, you will be blocked in short order. If you don't, there's no reason for you to be blocked here as, unless you do something particularly heinous, you generally won't be blocked on other Wikipediaes, as all of them are linked under the Wikimedia Foundation while still being separate entities. That is called a global block.

It's worth noting that, according to the block on your global account information page, you'll be unblocked tomorrow on NLWiki. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

ok, thanks Zozo7077 (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Academic Subject Capitalisation?

Hi everyone,

I've been looking at the entry for Edwina Currie. In the section on her early life her entry claims that she studied for a degree in "Philosophy, politics and economics". Should politics and economics be capitalised? I don't want to "correct" it and annoy people.

Kind regards, Puffin123 (talk) 13:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Puffin123 That degree at Oxford is usually referred to by the acronym PPE but Wikipedia's article on it is titled in sentence case, so I would leave it alone. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Politics and economics are common nouns, and would not normally be capitalized. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

If that's correct, why is "Philosophy" capitalised? It appears mid-sentence. AndyJones (talk) 12:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@AndyJones Now corrected to "p". Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm writing about myself and I know it is valid.

Hi! I made my first article and it is about myself. I am a musician, DJ and fetish photographer: very well known in Finland and working in London and Berlin as an artist etc. How can I proof that my article should be published and that "I am notable person"? I wanted to made this article since my career/artistry needs to have public information for my clients and fans. Thanks! Peterjuhan (talk) 13:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Peterhuhan. It sounds as if (like many people) you are mistaking Wikipedia for a promotional website. Wikipedia has very little interest in what you or your associates say about you, and absolutely no interest in what your career wants or needs.

Only if there is substantial reliably published material about you, wholly independent of you and your associates, (see WP:42) could there be an article about you; and you are very strongly discouraged from trying to write it yourself: see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Peter Juhan

If you are well known, it is possible that other people have written about you already. Using the information those people have written, be it in books, news articles, et cetera, an article can be written about you. It's discouraged to write an autobiography, however, because you will be inherently biased towards yourself. Also, having a Wikipedia article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. My recommendation, if you want to have public information for your clients and fans, is to create a website that is unrelated to Wikipedia, where you will have full control of the content. See: WP:OUTLETS. Reconrabbit 13:51, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll just add that if you're at the stage of your career where you "need to have public information for your clients", you're not yet a "notable person" as defined by wikipedia, sorry. We only have articles on people once there is an abundance of public information out there on them already. -- asilvering (talk) 14:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Please do not proceed with trying to get your draft published without provided citations to reliable sources to verify what is being stated. There is none at the moment and a review will fail. If you have to tell us that you are notable then chances are that you are not. We need to know what others say about you in published reliable sources, not you about yourself. --ARoseWolf 14:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Resume-like page flag removal

Hi there, I am a staff member for a scientist whose page was just flagged to be "like a resume". We are hoping to get this flag removed. I have checked the page against the guidelines and am not sure what needs to change. Everything on the page is true and written with unbiased language.

Here is the page: Bruce M. McLaren

I could use help figuring out what specifically to change so that I can go ahead and make these edits. Thank you! Danielpo22 (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Almost everything in the article is referenced with information published by McLaren himself or groups he is associated with. A Wikipedia article should summarize what sources independent of the subject have to say about them, not what the subject has to say about themself. Reconrabbit 14:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Danielpo22, I've removed the resume material. -- asilvering (talk) 14:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Danielpo22 If you wish to contribute to the article, then it is mandatory under Wikipedia's terms and conditions that you declare yourself as a WP:PAID editor in relation to that article, as you are a staff member. See that link for how to do that. Afterwards, you should not edit the article itself, owing to your conflict of interest but may make suggestions about content on its Talk Page. There is an edit request wizard to use which makes that fairly easy. Make sure you back up your suggestions with reliable published sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Corrected the template error on their user page as a courtesy. --ARoseWolf 14:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Danielpo22 (talk) 14:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mike,

I've undone my change in order to adhere to the guidelines. Now that other editors have removed the resume elements, I've made a suggestion to remove the flag. Is it possible you could go in and remove the flag now that it is changed?

Thank you! Danielpo22 (talk) 14:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

One of my major concerns when I first look at the article is that better than 95% of the 63 sources are all written by the subject. We want to know what independent sources say about the subject. --ARoseWolf 15:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

As I've just pointed out to you elsewhere, our COI guideline does not, as you claim above, mean that User:Danielpo22 cannot edit the article at all. Indeed, one of the ways in which it says that COI editors may contribute to is to "add independent reliable sources when another editor has requested them". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there,

I appreciate you making the changes to the article. Is it possible you could remove the flag now?

Thank you! Danielpo22 (talk) 15:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for making the COI declaration and reverting your removal of the flag. I haven't made any edits to the article as it is not really one of my interests. Others are now working on it. To my eyes, it is still quite resume-like: for example the first paragraph about McClaren's career is entirely based on his own website entry. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

At Bruce M. McLaren a suggestion that Selected papers be reduced to fewer than ten. David notMD (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

How Can I make a Wikipedia page?

How can I make a Wikipedia page? There is no link to the draft site!!!! Atharvawikiwiki (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:FIRST explains the process. -- asilvering (talk) 14:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia page not yet accepted

I'm not sure why my Wikipedia page on Masutaro Otani has not yet been accepted. Please could it be reviewed. Finlay73 (talk) 14:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Masutaro Otani Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 14:51, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73 The review process is heavily backlogged: please be patient. You haven't implemented my earlier suggestion of converting all these bare-URL external links into something more reader-friendly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I added page numbers to them. I thought that’s what you wanted? Finlay73 (talk) 15:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

The external links are all still bare urls, as opposed to formatted references. For example,

• https://www.usadojo.com/a-tribute-to-matsutaro-otani-sensei/

should become

• "A Tribute To Matsutaro Otani Sensei", USAdojo.com, 25 April 2012

Cremastra (talk) 15:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

This can take several months. There is huge queue of articles waiting to be reviewed, and they are done so in random order. Cremastra (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73 You are in luck: it has now been accepted. Cremastra's suggestion for the external links is a good example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Expand the Article

Hi, can someone please expand this article Muhammad Ali Swati he is famous pakistani rescuer his crucial role in the dramatic rescue operation of a group of children trapped in a cable car in the Battagram district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, in August 2023. he has also setup world highest zilpline in kp pakistan https://propakistani.pk/2023/05/30/kaghan-valley-unveils-worlds-tallest-zipline/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/2418947/south-asias-longest-zipline-launched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRSZ70dZOVs Janabanigu (talk) 15:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Janabanigu Neither of these reports mentions Ali Swati, so they are of no use in confirming his role in setting up the new zipline. If you can find a reliable source that does cover this, you can add it to the article yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

i have i will add thanks Janabanigu (talk) 16:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull it's not currently searchable could you check? Janabanigu (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

New articles are generally not allowed to be made searchable by web search engines (such as Google) until either they have been reviewed by the New Pages Patrol, or 90 days has elapsed, whichever comes sooner. {The poster formerly known as as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 18:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

AfD Forum

Greetings, is there a place to discuss AfD issues? An article about a company was G11-deleted last month, and the same author has created another article about the same company under a slightly different name. The new article still looks pretty promotional and non-notable to me but I was wondering if there was a place to go to get an experienced eye to take a look at it. Celjski Grad (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Celjski Grad: I guess you're looking for either WT:AFD or WT:CSD, although in this case you may be better off asking here. C F A 💬 17:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks CFA — the old article, deleted 23 July was 1440: The knowledge company for the intellectually curious. The new article, created the next day by the same person, is 1440 (company). Since the old article isn't accessible I can't compare them. I can also post at WT:AFD if no one here responds. Celjski Grad (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't qualify for G11 speedy deletion, because the prose itself is not wholly written in a promotional tone. Whether the article was created to promote the company doesn't really matter. As to whether the company is notable: I'm not really sure. A lot of the sources out there (and in the article, for that matter) seem to be reposted press releases, which don't count towards notability. There's this article in the Press Gazette and this article in Snopes, though, which may be enough to meet WP:NCORP. Nominating it for deletion may be the best course of action here to get broader input, but that's up to you. C F A 💬 17:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking a look. Celjski Grad (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I could compare them. The deleted article had the same content but with a lot of promotional language. That language was omitted in the new article although some original unsourced sentences remain. I have moved it to Draft:1440 (company) because it's hard to determine notability with all the citations to the company's own publications and press releases.

I also blocked the author for failing to answer about undisclosed paid editing; instead she simply created the new article. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. The speed of approval of the new article was surprising to me given its history (and the author's talk page). Celjski Grad (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Silent Disco Origins and History - How to correct the record?

This isn't going anywhere, and the requester has ignored the good advice they have been given. The section is no longer being used to make a request for help, but as a soapbox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to correct the wikipedia page about silent disco, Silent disco more specifically the history of silent disco. It has been a frustrating experience every time i look at that page and i try to share the truth about the origins and history of the silent disco. 1st, i claim to be the one that came up with the concept, before most of the entrances i see there. Only a fiction movie came first. 2nd, The attribution to eco activists the organisation of silent disco is false. They were not having a dance party or a disco with headphones, they were listening to life bands. NOT PARTY. 3rd, Saying that watching a Football game at a festival using headphones has anything to do with history of silent disco makes no sense. Watching a football or watching a life band, has nothing top so with disco. 4th, IT IS IN THE NAME - silent disco is a disco, is a party. It has nothing to so with football or concert 5th, The Walkman street dance i had with friends in Portugal is much more similar to silent disco than any of the above. Actually is not only similar, IT IS A SILENT DISCO. If a group of people dancing with their Walkmans / headphones is not a silent disco, then what the heck is a silent disco? But even thou it is a silent disco and it took place long before any of the other events described in the article, it has no right to be there. Why is that? Silent disco is part of my life history. I write about it here in German https://silentdisco.de/silent-disco-urspruenge-geschichte/ and here in english https://silentdiscotheque.com/silent-disco-history-origins-invention/ 6th, So not only was the concept robbed from me by nico okkerse, now wikipedia since years does not allow me to correct the record. Who are you to deny my life history? Not enough sources? Well how can i have any other source if you keep since years denying the truth? Vibronix2 (talk) 16:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC) @Vibronix2: Welcome to the Teahouse. Anyone is free to edit Wikipedia, but claims need to be cited to reliable sources. To put it bluntly: Your random blog is not a reliable source. If it was, then anyone would be able to buy a domain, publish whatever they want, then use it to cite that information on Wikipedia. You may also wish to see Wikipedia's policy on promotion and Wikipedia's policy on citation spam. C F A 💬 17:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC) That is not a random blog or blogs, that is my life story where i detail the origins and part of silent disco history. So because it is my own blog or part of my life story and the truth about silent disco, it has no right to be there? I see How can the page claim to describe facts about the history of silent disco and me, the one that basically came up with it, has no right to be mentioned.? 40 years ago there were no smartphones to make pics of the events , you know that right? Im also the one that brought it directly to the ears of the one that labeled and commercialized the concept, but wikipedia writes in the history of silent disco , a story about watching football with headphones? what the heck is that for silent disco? Also wikipedia lie about the eco activists, they were not having a party or a disco. They were LISTENING to life bands. Spor the difference? How can that be the history of silent disco? The label silent disco was given by the guys in Netherlands, nico okkerse and thats why he also got the silentdsico.com domain He was able to commercialize the concept after i shared it with him. Trying to get him as a partner. See thats history of silent disco, not watching football or a life concert Vibronix2 (talk) 17:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC) This is how wikipedia describes a silent disco A silent disco or silent rave is an event where people dance to music listened to on wireless headphones Having parties with walkmans in the 80s, like we did, is a rave with headphones. watching football with headphones is not part of silent disco history listening to a life band with headphones by eco activists is not a party. its not a rave. the name silent disco originated in the netherlands not in some festival, like you describe in your article. it was named stille disco - silent disco in dutch. Vibronix2 (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Vibronix2, you may want to read WP:Verifiability, not truth and WP:Reliable sources. Wikipedia only includes (summaries of) information (other than uncontroversial facts) that has been published in Reliable sources independent of the subject in question. Bear in mind also that sometimes two or more people come up with the same idea or invention independently. There is an old saying: "Steam engines appear when it's steam engine time." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 18:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC) There is only one person in the World claiming to come up with the concept of silent disco and a wikipedia page that distorts the truth. There is nobody else out there claiming to have birthed the silent disco. if it is show me? There goes your steaming machine argument. Ive been claiming it since years but every time i try to correct it in wikipedia, someone just keeps deleting it and in place lets the garbage that is there. Your page correctly describes what is a silent disco, but then it goes on to present football game as part of silent disco history. Then it even spreads a lie of activists having a rave or party with headphones, when they were just fucking listening to a life band with wired headphones. how the fuck would they dance with wired headphones? I dont have the connections or the money or the power to go look for reliable sources. To write a book or what whatever Nobody documented me under 4 eyes sharing the concept with the dutch silent disco guys. NOBODY was there making photos of our walkman parties in the park. So if i would pay a reporter on BBC 100000 euros to write the story then you would accept it as reliable source... wtf Vibronix2 (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Any outlet what would write a story in exchange for a bribe like that wouldn't be a reliable source either. MrOllie (talk) 18:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC) If you can convince the BBC to take a bribe, then yes, we probably would. But good luck with that. C F A 💬 18:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC) see, thats what i mean, if the story show up on bbc then you dont complain, you would just accepted as truth- knowing what i know about the silent disco, your page about it is just a shame. It is spreading a lie since ever. Just like that Nico Okkerse was spreading his lie for many years, till i told him to stop lying. Till i posted my articles in the pages i shared with you and send it to all his friends and workers. Then he stopped spreading the lie that it was his brainchild. But Wikipedia? well it keeps spreading BS. Ok dont publish or mention my part of the deal but at leat dont claim that you know anything about silent disco story when you put a fucking activist group listening to a band as a fucking rave. get real Vibronix2 (talk) 19:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Here more food for thought the first silent disco parties as you know them now, happend in the netherlands in 2000s and were stille discos, then when it became international, it changed in silent discos. see i know more history of silent disco, then your page claims. the reason that i know it is because i been there all the way, since the 80s in protugal with our walkmans and then in the 2000s in the netherlands with the guy that stole my concept and commercialize it. Thats the true history of silent disco, not the garbage false bs in your page Vibronix2 (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Your question has been answered above. Random or not, a blog is not a reliable source by Wikipedia's definition. You need to find those sources before making those edits. Shantavira|feed me 18:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC) There are no sources about what im telling you or what i write in my webpages. Thats the source. Nobody was with smartphones 40 years ago taking photos of our walkman dance parties. Nobody documented me sharing the concept with the silentdisco.com man the wikipedia page does not even have the fucking basic story. For example, why is it called silent disco, ? do you know, do your users know? because it was called stille disco - silent disco in dutch Why is it that the story of the name is not there? there are reliable sources out there about it Why is a football game described as a fact in the history of silent disco, A PARTY WITH HEADPHONES? Never mind, just keep your false narrative over silent disco... you win Vibronix2 (talk) 18:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC) The only person besides me that ever was claiming to create the silent disco was Nico Okkerse, you still can see articles about it everywhere or from his achieved webpage. The reason that you dont hear from him anymore about it? No he is not dead The reason he stopped his false narrative was because i told him to stop. Because he knows i that i know and i was the only one person in the world that could tell him to stop lying That is why you dont see so many stories about him claiming to be the papa of silent disco. He had a free run for 10 years and then i said enough But you wikipedia people need me to tell my life story to BBC or CNN and then is all fine They are not the source, i am the problem is that, that you have a big megaphone and everybody is coming to your page and spread the damn false facts that you put there as truth Vibronix2 (talk) 19:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC) You have been answered, numerous times, and you are basically saying WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. A source must be reliable and independent. Your own blog about your life is just your word and not independent of you. If the BBC were to perform actual journalistic fact checking about what you say, and report on it, then we'd use it. Otherwise, the article must rely only on what published reliable sources say, even if they disagree with you. Your path forward, if you want to change what Wikipedia says, is to convince those sources to make corrections first. Only then can the Wikipedia article be changed accordingly. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC) no, its you that is not listening. You dont have to take my word for it or talk about my personal story or have other reliable sources to change the article. This is how wikipedia describes a silent disco A silent disco or silent rave is an event where people dance to music listened to on wireless headphones. How can a silent disco be a rave where people dance with music delivered with headphones and your wikipedia article then go on to describe the history of the silent disco by naming the sources. 1 - describe a eco activist usage of headphones to listen to a life concert, not to distrub the nature, as a rave? Not only it say that it was a party, which is false in it self, a concert or life band is not a rave. THERE WERE NO people dancing with headphones at that Eco event. THEY were listening to life music. spot the difference? 2 - how is watching a football match while wearing headphoines a rave? but that is what you say its the history of silent disco. 3 - how is listening to a band or Djs, a rave or people dancing? but that is what your article defines as the history of silent disco 4 - you say that i need a reputable source to write about my story. Ok why is this a reputable source https://megduguid.com/section/149646-Dance-with-me.html what does this page be a reputable source and mine not? 5 - the term silent disco has been in use before 2005, it was in dutch. Thats part of history too or history is only history when is made in america? is that the reason that https://megduguid.com/section/149646-Dance-with-me.html is a reputable source, because it happened in america and not in portugal in the 80s when the sony walkman came out? 6. what has the following to do with the history of silent disco? As interest increased, more companies organize parties and provide events with wireless headphones. Some companies have offered home kits. 7. the fact that you dont have the guy that labeled this type of event silent disco claiming that he was the great creator of silent disco, is exactly because i told him to stop lying about it. He has all the right to be mentioned as the one that commercialized the concept. He stopped spreading teh lie of being the concept creator because it was me that told him about the concept and he could not destroy my truth. If it was not me bring the truth to him, i am very sure that today, everybody would be praising him as the great creator. He was very effective at spreading story till the point i stopped him Wikipedia history of silent disco is full of shit that does not belong there and what belongs there is not allowed Vibronix2 (talk) 07:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC) SUMMARY: Vibronix2 added a paragraph about origin, citing own blog. Reverted by MrOllie as not a valid reference. Separately, there is a lot above about what does not belong in the article (silent theater, silent street shows, etc.). A better place for that would be the Talk page of the article. I suggest this discussion here at Teahouse be closed and hidden, as it is not productive. David notMD (talk) 09:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Correct David notMD‬. I got it, I cant cite my own blog as a reliable source. https://silentdisco.de/silent-disco-urspruenge-geschichte/ and https://silentdiscotheque.com/silent-disco-history-origins-invention/ But lets forget my story and blog even thou its a detailed story. Why is this own blog accepted as a reliable source? https://megduguid.com/section/149646-Dance-with-me.html why? What is in there that is so reliable? where did you verify its reliability? Iets go further why is this part of the silent disco history? A series of silent discos taking place in cathedrals and historic buildings around the UK and Europe was organised in 2024; are you kidding me? United States Why is united states a part of history of silent disco, when the concept originated in Europe and there is nothing that reflects it? All i see in your article makes me believe the concept came from the US. is total garbage Silent discos increased in popularity, and were depicted in television shows including NBC's....??? really All the direction of this history article gives a false story of silent disco history. ALL OF IT The term "silent disco" has been in existence since at least 2005 with Bonnaroo Music Festival  ?? AGAIN USA NO MAN, the term silent disco originated in EUROPE, in the Netherlands before 2005 All the article narrative is meant to give the impression that silent disco came from the US. STOP IT! stop lying to your users Vibronix2 (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC) I did not say that (silent theater, silent street shows, etc.) dont belong in the article. You distorting my words. What i said is that listening to a life band or a dj, is not part of silent disco history. It is not a rave, it is not a party and aas your article say, a silent disco is a rave with headphones. What i said is that watching a football with headphones on is not part of silent disco history. Thats nothing to do with silent disco. Vibronix2 (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC) No no, dont turn it on me. It is you that is ignoring what i say and dont supply any answer to my questions Why is this OWN blog accepted as a reliable source? https://megduguid.com/section/149646-Dance-with-me.html The argument that you use to delete my section is that my blog is not a reliable source. So what is it? watching a football game with headphones on, is not a rave. Why is it in the history of silent disco? Why? Why did the name silent disco originated in the netherlands but its USA that gets the credit for it? You wonder why silentdisco.com is from the netherlands and not from USA? NO`? etc etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vibronix2 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft: Gary Walkow

I submitted a draft of a page for filmmaker Gary Walkow on July 25 (Draft:Gary Walkow). The draft page says "Review waiting; please be patient," and I am happy to wait. But the page "Gary Walkow" says that the Walkow page was deleted by user Liz, who gave the reason "extremely unnotable, obviously self-written." Is review waiting? Or has the page been rejected? Any help will be appreciated. Best, Dan Sallitt Sallitt (talk) 17:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sallitt: there was an article, Gary Walkow, but it was deleted a year or so ago. There is currently a pending draft Draft:Gary Walkow awaiting review. Hope that answers your question. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! - Dan Sallitt (talk) 18:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Can a page have multiple requests for page move?

Can multiple controversial moves be requested for pages including a page on which there is already a request to move is present? Could anyone suggest a solution? Neutralhappy (talk) 17:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Neutralhappy welcome to Teahouse! No, a WP:DISCUSSFORK makes little sense and can be disruptive. If you have a different target/proposed title, then suggest it at the original requested move discussion. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi

I would like to edit here, but I don't how to cite a source. Can someone please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.29.178 (talk) 17:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! Try WP:TUTORIAL, and you might want to take a look at WP:REGISTER. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

See also Help:Referencing for beginners. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

reFill

What's up with the tool reFill? I get "403 - Forbidden" when I go to the site (https://refill.toolforge.org/). TwoScars (talk) 19:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TwoScars. WP:ReFill says: "If the above link is down, please instead use https://refill.toolforge.org/ng/" ColinFine (talk) 19:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Can lists be nominated for DYK?

Hey there! I guess its' a big strange that a host is asking a question, but we've all got room to learn. I just recently had a list published via AfC, and so I was wondering if lists can be nominated for DYK. I quickly skimmed over the guidelines, but I never saw anything about it. Thanks! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 20:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sir MemeGod Learning and hosting are two-way process always! I would imagine not. For example, recently promoted WP:Good Articles can be nominated for WP:DYK, but lists cannot be promoted to GA. If a list becomes WP:FL, it can be nominated at Wikipedia:Today's featured list so I follow from that, that newly created lists cannot be nominated at DYK. It is not explicitly mention and perhaps criteria can be updated, but the fact that lists are excluded from WP:DYKPROSE further supports intent of criteria to exclude lists in my mind. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I guess that makes sense. The prose would 100% be the biggest issue. Thanks for the help, I've been just around everywhere but to no avail, instead of preparing it for DYK I'll just work it to FL. Thanks again! :) Man, we really need a good list rating. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 20:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Someone needs to write List of Featured Lists on Wikipedia and get that to WP:Featured List rating for maximum inception. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

There may not be a point to a list article like that, given that we already have Category:Featured lists. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

If you can write a good "hook" for a list (and I cannot imagine what would hook anyone into browsing a list) then you should give it a shot for DYK. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:05, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

It is possible. I specifically remember List of individual body parts being featured on DYK. C F A 💬 23:10, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, unlike many other lists I've seen, that one has a lot of prose in it, so I can see pulling some amazing fact out of it for a DYK hook. Similarly @Sir MemeGod: your List of Illinois tornadoes might have an interesting fact in it for a hook. Give it a shot. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Would something like "Did you know... that there have been ______ tornadoes in Illinois since 1950?" work? Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:40, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know. Is the number unusual compared to surrounding states or to states in Tornado Alley? I looked at your list and it seems tornadoes are rare, although based on File:Tornado_Alley.svg Illinois doesn't seem to be unusual compared to surrounding states. If there's something interesting about a particular tornado, that could be used as a DYK hook also. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Is this permitted or a copyright violation?

This film/TV episode was very dear to my heart so please be kind. Can I make it an article, or would it violate copyright? TIA User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo3 Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1: Wikipedia has many articles on TV shows. As long as you don't copy material from the show or other places, and write in your own words, it is not a copyright problem. RudolfRed (talk) 02:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

You may, however, want to make sure that it's notable. I have no idea whether or not it is. McYeee (talk) 02:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

No doubt with good intentions, McYeee is sounding rather too kind. The first thing you must do, Allthemilescombined1, is to check that you will be able to demonstrate that Ask Me Again ("90-minute episode of the PBS series American Playhouse that aired on February 8, 1989) really is "notable" (as defined by and for Wikipedia). If it is, good; go ahead. If it isn't, the draft won't go anywhere. -- Hoary (talk) 02:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair point. Notability is, as you point out, really quite important. McYeee (talk) 03:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

If you look at American Playhouse, many of the plays that were in time filmed and broadcast on the American Playhouse TV show are subjects of Wikipedia articles. The better ones can be models for your attempt. David notMD (talk) 03:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't think of that! Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 21:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Email and password is sockpuppet

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Email and password not have. has have only IP address information for CheckUsers 122.53.42.251 (talk) 09:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Can Create new account as not a sock? Email and a password not bad? 122.53.42.251 (talk) 04:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking. Multiple accounts are allowed in some cases. See WP:VALIDALT. If an account has been blocked as a sockpuppet, then that needs to be resolved before attempting to create any more accounts. RudolfRed (talk) 04:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

If you are asking if "sockpuppet" is a good password, it is not. You can see some guidance for passwords at Wikipedia:User_account_security RudolfRed (talk) 04:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Hello why CheckUsers can see a email and password to accounts? 122.53.42.251 (talk) 04:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

My understanding is they do not have access to passwords, only IP address information. RudolfRed (talk) 04:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed have access to Emails for CheckUsers. this is last reply 122.53.42.251 (talk) 04:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I am not certain what you are asking, have you previously had a Wikipedia account? Tollens (talk) 07:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens im 0 Wikipedia accounts thanks! 122.53.42.251 (talk) 07:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Ref URL Is Dead and All Archives Are Bad

On 52nd Oklahoma Legislature, this URL is used and is marked dead and has an archive-url but all 3 snapshots on Wayback Machine and 1 snapshot on Archive.today are of error pages.

How should the ref be marked if an alternate link can't be found? Vasusrir429 (talk) 04:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

You can always try to find an entirely different source to support the same content; there's no requirement that you replace it with an archived copy of the same source. In this case, my search turned up https://oksenate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-12/2009_legislative_summary.pdf, which on page 53 supports the information in the article. I'll replace the reference with this one. Tollens (talk) 07:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

What's the hurry here?

I proposed a move for this article. It was closed by a non-admin within three days, don't understand what's the hurry here. - Talk:2012 Delhi gang rape and murder#c-Soni-20240820064100-Requested move 17 August 2024.

I'm unfamiliar with a relisting. Can anyone help in relisting this requested move? This abrupt closure appears like a hurried attempt. Thewikizoomer (talk) 05:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It looks to me like it was closed only after the consensus was already apparent. The snowball clause was applied because it didn't seem plausible that the conversation would go any other way. But of course, there might be extra information or reasoning that the previous participants weren't aware of and if that is the case, then a new discussion might be appropriate. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Why the asssumption though, if we look at a similar discussion, multiple inputs are coming even now. So a relist would appear more appropriate I think. - Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident#c-2A00:23EE:1928:8C3:951B:C401:3A56:519A-20240816151700-Requested move 16 August 2024 Thewikizoomer (talk) 06:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

If you're not in a rush you could always wait for that to be closed and then have a new precedent to work off of for a new discussion. Alternatively, if you want to solve for the general case then you could try for a Request for Comment. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Reporting users who don't use edit summaries

Is there a way of dealing with editors that don't use edit summaries at all, and refuse to engage on their talk pages? The users in question are Captain Cornwall (talk · contribs) (97.8% with no summary) and Mauls (talk · contribs) (81.5% with no summary). I know at least Mauls is active on their talk page, as they engaged with another editor immediately after I posted there, but have ignored myself completely... any advice? Danners430 (talk) 07:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

According to the consensus policy, all edits should be explained. So you could try to nudge people on their talk-page (in a friendly way) to use them, trying to emphasize the positive aspects of using edit-summaries (linking to Help:Edit summary will provide some context). I do not think that there is a way to force people to use them, though, and I can't remember a single case where lack of using edit summaries alone has led to a block or such. It would probably fall on their feet when they try to become administrators, though. So my suggestion is: stay friendly, be positive, mention that we are a collaborative project, and using edit summaries is both useful and polite...but do not insist too much. Lectonar (talk) 08:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Interestingly I was actually involved in a case, not brought by myself I might add, where a user was taken to ANI purely because of their refusal to use edit summaries…! Not that I would want to take that course of action myself, I feel that’s too far… but just saying that I am aware of a case when it was done. Note that the result wasn’t any action, but the user undertaking to use summaries. Danners430 (talk) 09:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, but that's the the vicissitudes of life. And yes, ANI is a bit too strong imho, but in the end you must decide for yourself what to do. I gave my 2c, but I am known for using softer approaches when tackling things. Others may, and probably will, disagree. Lectonar (talk) 09:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Typically all I do is put a {{uw-editsummary}} template on the user's talk page. For completely nonresponsive editors who don't ever engage in communication on any talk pages and persist in never using edit summaries, they eventually get blocked. This is a collaborative project and they aren't collaborating or communicating in any way. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Mass watchlisting pages

Hello there, Is there any way to mass watchlist certain pages in one (or not many) click(s), such as every episode article in a TV series, or every politician in a political party? Reply by VisualEditor is fine. Thanks very much! Mr Sitcom (talk) 08:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Nope, sorry. -- asilvering (talk) 09:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I'll need to do a lot of clicking, then. Thanks for the reply! Mr Sitcom (talk) 09:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mr Sitcom: I don't know if this helps, but you can edit the watchlist by simply adding page titles to it, via Special:EditWatchlist/raw. You would still need to know the exact titles you want to add, but if you can figure that out then this would at least save you having to visit each page individually to watch them. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mr Sitcom: See Wikipedia:User scripts/List#Categories for scripts to watch all pages in a category. I haven't tried it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all for your responses, I will take a look at the suggestions. Mr Sitcom (talk) 12:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

My article has been Blocked for using a wrong Username

Hi My name is Tom Henderson (TomH300). I quite innocently made an error when I wrote my article on Vectar Project, by using the name Vectar project. I was asked to login as a new user (tomH300) and I now find that the page is still blocked. Can you please help TomH300 TomH300 (talk) 08:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

No, TomH300, there's no block. The draft remained at User:Vectar Project/sandbox. I've just now moved it from there to Draft:Vectar Project; you're free to work on it there. Happy editing! -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help, Tom TomH300 (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

See the note on your talk page about undisclosed paid editing. You must respond to that before you make any more edits anywhere. Bear in mind that if you are an employee of Vectar Project, or a consultant and they're your client, you are considered a paid editor even they aren't paying you specifically to edit Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Review Article

Hello is there any admin who can review this article Muhammad Ali Swati ? He is an famous award winning Pakistani rescuer. the articles included the strong rereferences from BBC, Telegraph, Independent, Arab News. Janabanigu (talk) 09:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Janabanigu, the article isn't under review. It's up for a deletion discussion. Unfortunately I don't think you'll be able to save it - we don't tend to keep articles on people who are notable for only one event. See WP:BLP1E. -- asilvering (talk) 09:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering thanks but he is a notable not only from one event but also more different things which are already mentioned in the article history, Janabanigu (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It has been marked as reviewed, but it is now nominated for deletion. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@331dot yes i see . but, we can expand to add more references regarding the entity. The entity meets the GNG. Janabanigu (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 09:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

talk about the wiki editors Janabanigu (talk) 09:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

References have been added after the start of the AfD, but the article is still about a person who was featured in the news for one event - rescuing people in a stuck cable car. His role in the rescue could be better described at an existing article about the event 2023 Battagram cable car incident. David notMD (talk) 10:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

He is already mentioned in that article's last paragraph; this could be expanded, Janabanigu, provided that it does not become disproportionate in relation to the mentions of others involved in the rescue, which could also be enlarged on. We must not unduly promote one rescuer (with a related commercial interest) over and above the others. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 15:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Uploading my first article - question

Hi,

I'm trying to upload my first article - Draft:Titan Wealth - and I want to make sure it's going through the review process. I did click 'publish' a couple of weeks ago but I'm unsure if it's actually being reviewed, especially as it still has 'Draft:' in the title. Can anyone help me or reassure?

Thank you BLWright236 (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

BLWright236 Hello. I fixed your link, the whole url is not needed. You have not submitted it for a review, and you lack the information to do so- I will add it shortly, but if you were to submit it, it is not likely to be accepted, as it just tells about the company and what it does. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company.

You must disclose your connection with this company- see WP:COI and WP:PAID. You claim that you personally created, and own the copyright to, the logo, and have made it available for anyone to use for any purpose with attribution. 331dot (talk) 09:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Restarting mode

this is in restarting mode please help me work it out so that it can be normal 197.215.23.40 (talk) 11:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

hi ip user and welcome to the Teahouse! do you have a question regarding Wikipedia? 💜  melecie  talk - 11:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

If this relates to the device/system you're using/viewing WP on, please contact the manufacturer (and/or their support line) or a computer-repair forum/outlet. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 07:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

AfC reviewing of draft

Hi, Sir MemeGod here (again), with another issue that I have asked far and wide about but with no answer. I have been working on Draft:2020 Cookeville tornado, which I submitted and was recently put under review by a reviewer, but they went sleepy night night and haven't done anything since. It's been over 12 hours, and I have no idea whether they'll review it or not. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 12:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sir MemeGod Wikipedia has no deadlines, in general. Given the reviewer has made a commitment and placed an "under review" tag on the draft, I think you should wait at least a couple of days before reaching out politely on their Talk Page if the review is not complete. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Gelp

Hi. I made the requested corrections; is that okay?done. if that's ok, can you move it from this section?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Praeterintention Joseph77237 (talk) 14:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Joseph77237 You have re-submitted the draft, so it has gone back into the pile to be reviewed. Meanwhile, you need to take a look at our manual of style since it doesn't conform to guidelines on bolding of section headings (we don't!) and other aspects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Joseph77237 (talk) 14:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I made the requested corrections; is that okay?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Praeterintention

Hi. Joseph77237 (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I made the requested corrections. Regards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Praeterintention Joseph77237 (talk) 20:40, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Question About IRC

I am currently a user who is blocked indefinitely on the Japanese Wikipedia. And now, editing the conversation page is also prohibited. Currently, I'm trying to ask someone to unblock the talk page with the free browser version of IRC, but it doesn't work. Every time I log in to IRC, the comments I wrote before that disappear. I looked at the guide on how to use it, but it hasn't been solved. In addition, it is currently not possible to see the past log. I can only rely on this English page anymore, so I decided to ask a question here. I understand very well that I am a sinful person, and I will try not to make comments excessively even after the conversation page is released. If you are familiar with it, please give me some advice. Thank you. チューボー (talk) 14:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

We are unlikely to be able to help you troubleshoot your IRC client. Fortunately, the guide to appealing blocks says that you can also use the Japanese mailing list. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 14:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The mailing list is too depopulated, and the hope of cancellation is low... チューボー (talk) 14:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I would be very happy to ask users who have used IRC. Also, maybe it's affecting the fact that I'm using the free browser version now? チューボー (talk) 15:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

There are users who normally use IRC to achieve cancellation in the same way, so I understand that something is wrong. Anyway, it's a situation where I can't find any hope for the mailing list anymore. チューボー (talk) 15:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Upon reviewing the archives, I can see that the mailing list is indeed dormant. My only other suggestion would be to try using a different client and internet connection. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll talk about the IRC malfunction, so I'd be happy if you could give me some advice.

I'm sorry for being so persistent, but in order to do something about my place, I have no choice but to get some advice here. Originally, it was because I repeated inappropriate behavior in the Japanese version, and I think it's a really brazen behavior. To be specific about what kind of trouble is occurring, first of all, I succeeded in logging in to IRC, but I don't know how to look at the past log, and every time I log in again after browser back, the message I posted in the past suddenly disappeared, and only "〇〇 participated in this" is displayed on the top screen. There is no one using the Japanese mailing list anymore, so I have no other means but IRC. I will reflect on my past behavior and definitely change the problems of the reason for the block, such as the lack of courtesy in the future. I feel that the fact that I'm asking a series of questions here is exhausting the community, but it's a really desperate situation... Could you please tell me the solution to the problem of IRC? チューボー (talk) 15:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Chupo. I know nothing about IRC. Perhaps there is something on WP:IRC that will help? ColinFine (talk) 19:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it.Thank you very much. チューボー (talk) 21:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I want to know the probability that a user who has been indefinitely blocked due to a scandal will be reinstated.

 Courtesy link: WP:Teahouse § Question About IRC

I haven't used the English version much, so I don't know, but I'd like to know how many users have been indefinitely blocked on English Wikipedia in the past, and then successfully persuaded other users to return after requesting the ban be lifted. Sorry for the silly question, but I've been indefinitely blocked on the Japanese Wikipedia under the name "Second Generation Chance Two," and as you can see, I'm in an extremely hopeless situation, as I can't even use the talk page. That's why I decided to ask this question. I'd like to hear from people who have dealt with many users who have been indefinitely blocked. チューボー (talk) 23:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure anyone will be able to give you an actual figure. In any case, it would probably underestimate the possibility of having an indefinite block lifted, since most people who are indeffed aren't trying to get their blocks removed. If you leave for a while, then come back later and apologize, you're quite likely to get a second chance. However, you really should not be using multiple accounts at the same time, especially when blocked. See WP:SOCK. -- asilvering (talk) 23:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry. My current account was the first one I made for the English version, long before "Chance Two II."

So, just because I'm using different accounts for the Japanese and English versions, will I be subject to being arrested for using multiple accounts?

Can I avoid this by adding the words "This is the same as Chance Two II. I will no longer be using this account" to my "Chubo" account and then logging in on the English version under a new name "Chance Two II"? > チューボー (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

A block on the Japanese Wikipedia isn't a block on the English Wikipedia. If your Japanese Wikipedia username is a global account, you are not globally blocked and you can still edit other Wikipedias. See if your blocked username on the Japanese Wikipedia works here. It is never a good idea to create new accounts after being blocked. However, it isn't uncommon to use different accounts on different Wikipedias, as long as you don't have more than one account on the English Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't create a new account, personally, but you can if you want to. If you do that, you'll want to abandon all of your old accounts. The important thing is that you're editing under only one account, not which account you use to do that. Making a note about your abandoned accounts on your user page to be up-front is a good idea. Don't use any account to evade a block or ban - so, for example, don't log on to Japanese wikipedia and start editing with this account, or you'll probably be blocked on ja-wiki on this account too. Don't repeat whatever behaviour caused you to get blocked on ja-wiki on any other language wikipedia, and no one else will have any reason to block you here or anywhere else. -- asilvering (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both. I'm going to throw away this account and log in to the English version as "Second Generation Chance Two." チューボー (talk) 23:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) User:チューボー, the usernames you quoted do not exist. When asking questions here, please use a wikilink to link them, or if you don't know how to do that, please spell the pagename exactly as it appears, whether here, or on Japanese Wikipedia. For example, there is no such user on Japanese Wikipedia as ja:Second Generation Chance Two (talk · contribs), and there is no Chubo (talk · contribs) account here at English Wikipedia. So, please be specific about what you are referring to. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Chubo is the account they're using right now, チューボー. I haven't gone looking for the others. -- asilvering (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but there was a problem because I used Google Translate. "二代目チャンストゥー" exists in the Japanese version. チューボー (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for that; yes, user ja:二代目チャンストゥー (talk · contribs) exists there, and from your Japanese user Talk page^{[in English]} I can see that you are blocked there, and lack talk page access. However, you are still allowed to appeal your block there, and the instructions are given how to do that. Mathglot (talk) 00:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I have two options, "IRC" and "mailing list", but the latter hasn't been used at all for the last few years, so by process of elimination I have no choice but to use IRC.

But there aren't that many people on IRC either, and I'm not sure if anyone will bother me since I've caused a lot of problems in the past... チューボー (talk) 00:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@チューボー, Well, whether if the IRC is that active or not, the Japanese Wikipedia and the English version of Wikipedia are different so you will have appeal your block with either of those choices given, as the English Wikipedia can't do anything about it.

In courtesy in Japanese: ここでは何もできませんので、日本版の方で控訴しないといけないです。 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 01:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Since even conversation pages are prohibited in the Japanese version, I had no choice but to seek advice through the foreign language version. チューボー (talk) 01:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, "Chubo" is translated into Japanese as "チューボー". チューボー (talk) 00:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much to everyone for your valuable opinions. チューボー (talk) 01:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Can't stay logged in

When I log in, I click the "stay logged in for a year" box. Yet when I return to the site after some time I'm always logged out. This happens in 3 different browsers. In Firefox, which I use most, I have Wikipedia on the "always allow cookies" list, but it makes no difference. Reggie Pepper (talk) 15:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Reggie Pepper, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you allow cookies at both wikipedia.org and wikimedia.org? Is your browser set to not delete cookies when the browser is closed? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

And are you using the regular mode of your browser(s), or is it possible you are using "incognito" mode (it may be called different things in different browsers)? This would also discard your cookies when you are done, and have the same affect as PrimeHunter alluded to. Mathglot (talk) 00:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

delete a category?

Hi, I found this Category:Triller and it makes no sense. It is not a category, as far as I can understand. If it should be deleted, how should I go about proposing that it be deleted?

I found Wikipedia:Proposed deletion but that does not seem to apply to categories.

Should I make a Triller disambiguation page for the useful information here? Isoceles-sai (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Isoceles-sai: I nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Category:Triller. Feel free to reply and add your reasoning there. C F A 💬 16:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks ! Isoceles-sai (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not commenting on deletion but it looks like a normal category for Triller (company) and its activities. I have added a parent category and marked Triller (company) as the main article by sorting it under a space. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Notability for a musician

Hello, I submitted a draft Draft:Waltteri Väyrynen to AfC for a musician of my favorite band, a prominent progressive metal band. I thought I had established notability through the inclusion of several reputable, independent, non-trival sources, but the draft was rejected for Notability. However, the musician and at least 2 of the bands he was/is a member of satisfy most of the "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" in the Wikipedia Notabiltiy (music) article. I cited sources, and even did not list this musician as a member of a prominent band which he was a member of because I could find no reputable, independent sources. The argument could be made that the subject of this draft is an individual member of a prominent band, and may be more properly subject to a redirect. However, part of the reason I created this article was due to the release of "Future material". The frontman of the band releasing the material has cited this musician as a direct influence on the sound of the release, and this band's past 6 releases have charted in the Billboard top 100. People may be searching for information on this musician.

I am not affiliated with this musician or any of his projects in any way whatsoever. I am just a fan who noticed the drummer of my favorite band didn't have a page. I am very new to creating and editing articles on Wikipedia, mainly because I don't have anything to add. This is the first time I've had a chance to really contribute, and I'd like to be able to.

Would greatly appreciate any thoughts on next steps here. Thanks. Zymologist (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy pinging the reviewer, @Utopes: TheWikiToby (talk) 17:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zymologist: Notability is not inherited from the band. Band members must have had significant coverage in independent, reliable sources that go in-depth about them specifically. Otherwise, they should be redirected to the band article. AfC reviewers expect the references to be in the draft in order to accept. Source 1 is mostly an interview transcript that mainly focuses on the band. Source 2 is another interview transcript with no secondary coverage. Source 3 is a database listing and is not reliable according to WP:A/S. Source 4 is another interview transcript. Source 5 is a reposted press release. Source 6 is another interview focusing on the band. Source 7 only offers a trivial mention of Väyrynen and focuses on the band. Source 8 is essentially the same content as source 1. Source 9 is a headline namecheck and a quote (not significant). Source 10 focuses on the band, not Väyrynen. Source 11 only offers a trivial mention. Source 12 is another interview transcript. Sources 13-16 are all non-independent. Basically, we're looking for independent significant coverage about Väyrynen, not the band. WP:AFCHD is generally a better place for AfC questions. C F A 💬 18:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your time. Zymologist (talk) 19:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Is self-published work a reliable and usable source of info about themselves?

There is a dispute at Talk:Microsoft_Windows#Privacy_features_addition_reverted and I'm looking for a second opinion. Is self-published work a reliable and usable source of info about themselves, such as "Person X says"? ("about themselves" include their personal view of other people or matters, whether it's explicitly stated, as in "I believe that" or not)

According to case 3 of Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_self-published_works#Acceptable_use_of_self-published_works the answer to the question is yes. (the statement concerns the source itself) An example is given there: "For example, for the statement "The organization purchased full-page advertisements in major newspapers advocating gun control," the advertisement(s) in question could be cited as sources, even though advertisements are self-published."

The concrete case is this: Digital Confidence, a software company in the field of metadata stripping, has published in its official website an analysis of the built-in metadata stripper in Windows. This is a self-published work and therefore cannot be used as a source for the assertions made in the analysis. But I think it can certainly be used as a source for the simple fact that Digital Confidence has published such analysis. So Wikipedia cannot say that "the built-in metadata stripper is flawed", but it can definitely say that "According to Digital Confidence, the built-in metadata stripper is flawed", and use the analysis on Digital Confidence website as a reliable source for this statement. Another editor thinks I'm wrong. Any more thoughts would be appreciated. Sovmeeya (talk) 18:22, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sovmeeya. I haven't looked at the dispute, but from your description above, I agree with you.

However, dispute resolution isn't about proving that you're right and another person is wrong: it's about how you can collaboratively come to a consensus. ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

To be clear, this amounts to 'Company A (who sells a competing product) has criticized Company B's product' in an article about Company B's product. MrOllie (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sovmeeya, you're correct, the source could be used in that way and is reliable for a statement like "according to Digital Confidence, the built-in metadata stripper is flawed". But just because it's reliable doesn't mean we ought to say it. Many times, the question comes down to WP:DUE. You may want to try listing the issue at WP:3O for an uninvolved third editor to have a better look and provide their opinion. -- asilvering (talk) 23:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Filter

I attempted to edit an Article, but the Filter didn't publish my edit. What should I do? Cagliari in Serie A (talk) 19:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

You blanked an article and replaced it with "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" which the filter caught and stopped. What you should do is stop making unconstructive edits. C F A 💬 19:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@CFA Now I was patrolling recent changes! Cagliari in Serie A (talk) 19:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Cagliari in Serie A is globally locked. Cullen328 (talk) 20:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

FTP URLs

When we link to FTP URLs, should we generally also link to HTTP archives of them. Given the general lack of browser support I expected that IAbot would do this, but it doesn't. In the article Code page 775, I'd like to add archives to the sources cited as "Code Page CPGID 00775 (pdf), IBM" and "Code Page CPGID 00775 (txt), IBM", but since IAbot didn't do it I thought I'd ask here. If the consensus is to include the archives, is there a bot that can do it? McYeee (talk) 19:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there is established consensus on this, but in my experience fixing bare URLs, FTP links seem to die the quickest. An HTTP archive would be fine, or you could just replace the FTP link with an HTTP one altogether. C F A 💬 19:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The URLs aren't bare in the articles I'm looking at, but I'll swap them anyways. There doesn't appear to be much of a consistent citation style. McYeee (talk) 19:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

No Box to Publish Article

Hi, I'd like to publish my article Draft:List of circus accidents. It doesn't have the box at the top that usually allows you to submit it for review. I originally created Draft:List of fatal circus accidents, but wanted to change the name when I widened my scope. Since I couldn't figure out how to do so, I just made a new page. I don't know how to delete the one I no longer want, but it does have the correct box at the top. How can I submit the correct one for revision? Thanks! Gnat8 (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added the submission template; if you use the article wizard I believe it's provided automatically, but you can add {{subst:AFC draft}} to a draft if need be. 331dot (talk) 20:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Submitted, thanks! Gnat8 (talk) 20:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Next time you can't find a submit button, please feel free to try the AfC submission wizard. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gnat8, I notice there are some obviously unreliable sources in the references. You should have another read of WP:RS, and you might want to enable this handy userscript as well: User:Headbomb/unreliable. -- asilvering (talk) 00:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I edit an article to add a new section?

I understand how to create a section heading and how to edit within an existing section; what I can't figure out is how to edit at the level that would allow me to add a new section to an article. Thanks for any help you can offer! Don Q314 (talk) 20:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Don Q314 Click edit at the very top of the article. In the visual editor click the first dropdown and choose what what section level you want to add. For the source editor add a section using == on each side, adding more of them to each side changes the section level. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks! Don Q314 (talk) 20:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

When can I remove draft status of an article I wrote?

I wrote and submitted a bio for review: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cristina_Eisenberg The article was declined once with comments. I made the corrections. I am an autoconfirmed user, but I'm unclear about whether it's ok for me to remove the draft status. Can anyone point me to clarification? Thanks! Bodhipup (talk) 20:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bodhipup: Yes, since you are autoconfirmed, you are able to move this to article space yourself with the "Move" tab. Articles for Creation is an optional process for autoconfirmed users that do not have conflicts of interest. It's up to you if you want to skip the additional review. C F A 💬 21:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bodhipup, I've accepted this draft, but I'm not totally convinced that her position is a "named chair" in the sense we're looking for. If you can find and add some academic reviews on her books, that would be helpful. -- asilvering (talk) 23:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

My name appears on Wikipedia

My artist name has been mentioned in an article. I wish to add a new article to reference myself on wikipedia, so that people can click on my name, and actually see the work that I've done and how I've contributed to my particular craft within my culture. Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 21:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. If you're an artist or creative professional, you would need to meet the definition of a notable creative professional, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources, to merit a Wikipedia article- your name being in another article is not grounds by itself for you to get one.

Be aware that an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. It's highly discouraged for people to write about themselves, please see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 22:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Elayne, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I am also mentioned in a Wikipedia article, but I am aware that I do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (because not enough independent material about me has been reliably published) and so I do not expect there to be an article about me.

If you meet the criteria (which are not about what you are, what you have done, or what you have said or created, but, again, depend on what has been published about you) then there could be an article about you. However, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write it yourself - see Autobiography. ColinFine (talk) 22:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Huh. I'm not mentioned by name anywhere. On the other hand, my Wikipedia username has been mentioned in a couple of reliable sources but not enough coverage for an article about me with my username as a title. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I have reviewed all the links you shared... interesting and important. Personally, I am cool with positive and negative articles to be referenced in an unbiased personal Wikipedia page, but will hang back until someone else feels the need to do it. I simply presumed it was a professional thing to do, to be honest. Seems I was wrong... Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 22:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

What's your artist name? One thing we can do is turn it into a red link, which increases the likelihood that someone else (someone from WP:WIRED, for example) will create an article on you. -- asilvering (talk) 23:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Her user name is her real name, and she's known by another name as described by her profile on the Irish Museum of Modern Art website here: https://imma.ie/artists/elayne-adamczyk-harrington/ ~Anachronist (talk) 23:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not finding either of those names anywhere, so this is where I give up. -- asilvering (talk) 23:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Temper-Mental MissElayneous Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 00:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist, would you say that one counts as independent in this context? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if a museum that profiles an artist whose work is on display at the museum would be considered independent. I could see making an argument analogous to one of the WP:MUSICBIO criteria, in which an artist whose work is displayed in two notable museums might be considered notable. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist Thanks. I will try to make this one on GNG grounds. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

https://misselayneous.com/news-archives

https://misselayneous.com/interviews

Thanks for your help everyone. It's been interesting to learn about these processes. I am in the process of formally documenting past media coverage, etc, for posterity or whatever. (Above I attach links to my progress on compiling articles & news, plus published interviews)*

It's incomplete at the mo. But getting there slowly & surely. And even if a Wikipedia page is not warranted, at least I can resume collating all media converage together in one place on my website.

Thank you all for your assistance

-E Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 07:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

That's a start. See WP:Golden Rule for what we expect in sources. Interviews don't count toward notability. Some of those sources look like they may be OK although they are all from the same place, hotpress.com. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding an explanatory note

Hello

I've been trying to add an explanatory note to Joseph Barbera in the Early life section about his ethnicity but it's not appearing, although I used the template which appeared automatically after typing efn! could anyone tell me why is that and how to fix it? Thanks in advance Whatsupkarren (talk) 09:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Whatsupkarren. I have fixed some issues in the note and added {{notelist}} to display it.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Why are most drafts declined

Why because a lot of them I have seen are 86.97.103.231 (talk) 10:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

There are many reasons why they get declined, but the most common issue is simply a lack of notability, poor formatting or a lack of good citations. If you have specific pages in mind then feel free to post them here and we can take a look at why they were declined. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 10:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. The decline reason is always given by the reviewer and can be seen at the top of the draft. So, for Draft:O with open top which you contributed to, it was for the simple reason that it cited no sources. All Wikipedia articles must be backed up by reliable, published sources which demonstrate the notability of the topic. Mere existence is not enough to have an article: see WP:NOT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Doggo and Mike have given the demonstrable, factual reasons. I would like to give an answer at a higher level: because many drafts are created by people who do not understand Wikipedia's policies and practices, and have not spent time becoming familiar with them before they try to create an article.

I also observe that a lot of drafts are created by people as the first thing they do after creating an account, which gives rise to the suspicion that their purpose is to promote the subject of that draft (though they often don't realise that what they are doing is promotion according to Wikipedia's view).

Finally, I remember from my own early days editing, nearly twenty years ago, when I so much wanted to "make my mark" by adding a new article. I have no direct evidence that that desire is at play, but I'm sure it must be. ColinFine (talk) 11:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Another way to frame it, is that even slightly experienced editors don't need to use the AfC process - so you dont see the articles they create getting approved or rejected. -- D'n'B-t -- 13:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Why ask Why?

Why Women Kill Isiskhpri (talk) 10:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? -- D'n'B-t -- 10:49, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Because that is the series title. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:49, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Compare this edit by the same username. "Not here", perhaps? -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok to add this quote?

Regarding Next Stop Wonderland, is it appropriate to add this: A quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson figures prominently early in the film. "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" means, to Erin, that predictable men aren't worth dating. At the end of the film, Erin learns that the correct quote is "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/353571-a-foolish-consistency-is-the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds-adored. With this new perspective, Erin realizes that if a dating prospect has his heart in the right place, that can make up for his lack of adventurousness. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 11:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Allthemilescombined1. As usual, it depends on the sources. If an independent commentator has discussed this quotation and its role in the story, then the article could summarise what the commentator says. If it is your own observation, then it is original research, and doesn't belong in the article - and the inclusion of the quotation then becomes trivia, and should probably not be there. ColinFine (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

What is ‘that you own the copyright to’?

What is ‘that you own the copyright to’? What are some examples of this? Please tell me or give me a link where I can read more about it. Олена Бєляєва (talk) 13:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Олена Бєляєва I suggest you start by reading our article on copyright. Wikipedia cannot, in general, use material that has appeared in publications (books, websites etc.) which are still under copyright. It is the job of Wikipedia editors to summarize and paraphrase any such material to be included in our articles, with citations to the sources where we obtained the information. Copyright is a complicated legal area, so please be more specific if you have further questions after reading the links I supplied. See also this page about copyright of Wikipedia's articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Олена Бєляєва: In the context of Wikipedia, this literally refers to text or images which you yourself have created (or in very limited cases, where you have purchased or inherited the copyright from the person who did so). Note that (again, with very limited exceptions) this does not include taking a photograph of a work in which someone else owns the copyright. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

General question

Are comments by IPs valid in any AFD? Youknow? (talk) 14:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman Yes, see WP:AFDFORMAT, which says Unregistered or new users are welcome to contribute to the discussion, but their recommendations may be discounted if they seem to be made in bad faith. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Youknow? (talk) 15:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Moving Roar (vocalization) to Roar

I wanted to move the page Roar (vocalization) to Roar (which would mean Roar is moved to Roar (disambiguation)), without doing a requested move. Using my best judgment, I don't think there would be opposition to this move. When I tried to move the page I got an error message saying The page could not be moved, for the following reason: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. I also can't find anything in the archives about requests to move these pages. I could try to free up Roar by moving it, but every time I a move page it creates a new page as a redirect. What should I do, and would a requested move be more suitable? Svampesky (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Svampesky. You need an admin to do that sort of move. Please request it at WP:RM/T (as long as you're confident it won't be controversial) ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Article Denial

My article, Draft:Chernoh Alpha M. Bah has been denied twice; first due to insufficient coverage and second because of unreliable sourcing. The topic has had some pretty widespread coverage and recognition, but the sources are primarily African news outlets. Can someone help me identify what may be the problem and if it's one that can be resolved considering the subject matter? Thanks. Gnat8 (talk) 15:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)