Talk:Ramciel

Ramciel or Rumbek?

I went to the Lakes article from this page and saw in the Infobox that Rumbek is the capital yet on this article it says that Ramciel is the capital. Which article is true?Zbase4 (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Rumbek is the capital of Lakes State (much as Madison is the capital of the U.S. state of Wisconsin). Juba is the capital of the entire country of South Sudan (as Washington, D.C., is the United States capital). Ramciel is the proposed capital of South Sudan, but it is in the planning stages only.
— Molly-in-md (talk) 11:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Location

It seems very odd to me that Ramciel is such an important place in South Sudan, being considered the geographic heart of the country and the site of the new (yet to be built) capital city, yet I can't find a single map of it or its geographic coordinates on the internet. Does anyone have a source for the town's location? -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

The city doesn't yet exist. It is a proposed site – one travel site called it a "somewhat unprepossessing settlement..., a scattering of huts in the midst of a swamp" (Lovell-Hoare, Sophie; Lovell-Hoare, Max (26 February 2014). "Ramciel: A new capital for South Sudan?". Bradt Travel Guides. Bradt Travel Guides. Retrieved 9 April 2015.) Its physical feasibility is being examined as of 2012 ("Survey of new South Sudan capital Ramciel to complete in six months". Sudan Tribune. 5 April 2012. Retrieved 9 April 2015.). In Google Maps, typing "Ramciel, South Sudan" yields geographic coordinates of about 6.245732, 31.276062.
— Molly-in-md (talk) 10:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

it is located on the northern territory of Awerial County (Aliab Land), covering the two Payams; Bunagok Payam and Abuyung Payam on this coordinate 6.245732, 31.276062 Abiok Thook (talk) 09:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

My revert

@Red Icarus of Jakarta: I have again reverted your addition. You ask about my reasons for removing, so here goes:

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Map Error?

The location shown on Wikipedia isn't anywhere near the geographical center of the country. Google Maps gives a very different location for Ramciel, which *does* seem to be near the center. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.29.125 (talk) 03:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

This is the correct geographical coordinate 6.245732, 31.276062. for Ramciel in the Aliab territory of Lakes State, South Sudan Abiok Thook (talk) 09:41, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

this the correct geographical coordinates for Ramciel 6°23'48.57"N, 30°56'4.18"E. 169.255.24.121 (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 August 2024

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 Not done the request must be of the form "please change X to Y". Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Ramciel Ramciel
Ramciel
Coordinates: 6°23′48.57″N 30°56′4.18″E
Country	South Sudan
State	Lakes
County	Yirol East County
Malek Payam	Thian Boma
Time zone	+2 (CAT)

Ramciel is a location in South Sudan that will serve as the site of the future national capital. John Garang, the third president of Southern Sudan, allegedly wanted to place the national capital in Ramciel during his administration, but he died before South Sudan achieved independence and its largest city of Juba became the capital instead.

Geography

Ramciel is about 250 kilometres (155 miles) north of Juba. There is currently no tarmacked road between Juba and Ramciel, but it is estimated that it will take under four to five hours to travel on a rough road to Juba. Under ideal conditions, it would also probably take about three hours to travel to Rumbek and up to six hours to Wau from Ramciel city.

The largest grass swamp in the world, the Sudd, lies in the middle of Greater Bahr el Ghazal and Greater Upper Nile, thus making direct road communications between towns located at the opposite four corners of the Sudd practically impossible; thus the need to go around the swamp, which currently makes both Malakal and Bentiu inaccessible by road from the south and west in the wet season from June to November.

The inhabitants and indegenious of Ramciel are mainly Awan of Ciec, Dinka. Ramciel is located in the territory of Thian Boma of Malek Payam, Yirol East County, Lakes State. The land is used for grazing and cultivation during the dry season and in the Nile marshes during the wet season. There are conflicting reports over its suitability for large-scale construction, with some characterizing the area as woodland & grassland, and others contending that the rocky highlands can support a major city if one were to be built there.

National capital proposal

In early February 2011, what was then the Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan adopted a resolution to find a new capital for South Sudan. Ramciel was one of the two proposed locations for the site. Lakes Governor Chol Tong Mayay visited Ramciel later in the month to raise attention for its bid to be the site of the new capital. "The late Dr John Garang promised to build Ramciel as the capital of South Sudan and having it here will be a dream come true." Just prior to South Sudanese independence in July 2011, a government spokesman confirmed the federal government of the country was still considering building a new capital at Ramciel. On 2 September, the federal cabinet voted to designate Ramciel as the site for a planned city, to be demarcated from Lakes State. Information Minister Barnaba Marial Benjamin said the move would likely take three to five years to complete and would be conducted in stages.

Vice President Riek Machar said in mid-December 2011 that the government of South Sudan is planning to build a major international airport in a free trade zone to be established in Tali Payam of Terkeka County which borders Awerial County on the South West approximately 50 km away from Ramciel City. Machar suggested that this airport could handle traffic from large cargo planes for which other regional airports are not designed, an asset that would be vital to realizing Machar's vision for South Sudan to become a trade hub in the center of the African continent. Machar also visited Kenisa Southeast of Shambe National Park where port will be constructed instead of maintaining it in the original site at Shambe.

A contract was awarded in 2012 to conduct a survey and feasibility study of the site. The proposed area has been visited multiple times by Vice President Riek Machar.

References

Ramciel is located in Yirol East County of Lakes States, in the Bahr el Ghazal region of South Sudan. It has been proposed to be the future capital city of South Sudan 🇸🇸 197.231.239.215 (talk) 20:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)