Talk:Death of Ellen Greenberg

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Hi. There are two things that I think ought to be done on this article.

First, we should avoid any false equivalence. “Well, some people said it was homicide, but other people said it was suicide.” Yeah, fine, but the people who said it was homicide were CORRECT, while the people who said it was suicide were either lying, misinformed, or naive. There’s no doubt that Ellen Greenberg was murdered.

It’s not even physically possible to tear up your own body THAT badly, because you would’ve already died before you could finish making ALL those stab wounds to yourself. This was no suicide.

Second, we need to mention the man who should’ve been the prime suspect all along: Ellen’s boyfriend, Sam. I am 99% confident that Sam murdered Ellen. (And I’m 100% confident that Ellen was murdered, not died by suicide.) But his name, Sam Goldberg, does not appear even once in this article (as of 3/28/24). That’s kind of a glaring omission.

Sam was the person who made the 911 call (on which he did a really lame job of feigning dismay at his own crime). He was the person who broke down the door and “discovered” Ellen’s corpse. Even if you don’t think he did it, he was certainly still an important enough character in the story that an article written about that story needs to mention him once or twice.

The words “Sam Goldberg” should appear in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegoldenconciseencyclopediaofmammals (talk • contribs) 19:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The absence of the name of the most obvious suspect's name is noteworthy. Also the fact that both are Jews. Also, and I'm not that familiar with Wikipedia protocols, but I know I've seen topics with similar dynamics listed under a banner titled something like "See Also". This Article could include cases like Jeffrey Epstein and Gary Webb.66.25.69.185 (talk) 12:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 August 2024

The request to rename this article to Death of Ellen Greenberg has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Ellen Rae Greenberg → Death of Ellen Greenberg – This article is about the death of Ellen Greenberg, a person who is only WP:NOTABLE for her death. "Rae" also needs to be removed from the article title per WP:COMMONNAME. I could do a more thorough audit of how often "Rae" is used but none of the titles of the nineteen sources cited in this article include it. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 02:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for obvious reasons, this should be uncontroversial. 203.211.79.225 (talk) 06:34, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. CWC 07:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This article would be clearer with a more descriptive title. Waqar💬 16:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and WP:1E. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as matching standard practice. Pinguinn 🐧 07:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]