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On 16 June 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Brat (Charli XCX album) to Brat (album). The result of the discussion was moved.

Creating page for Brat (Charli XCX album)

I just tried to make this page and it was deleted and re-directed. Can you please hold off on suggesting deletion for redirection until I publish the page? There's enough major media outlets that have reported on the album today, thanks!

Please use this page to discuss reversion or if there's an alternative method to making a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peoplelikeyoulikeme (talk • contribs) 17:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

B2B/Club Classics

I couldn't find any sources that said that B2B and Club Classics are promotional singles. Sources including Rolling Stone [1] simply call them singles, or a double-single. I think because of that they should be listed as the 2nd and 3rd singles to the album, or they should just both be called the 2nd single. Squidb4ll (talk) 23:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, by extension, "360" should be the fourth single, as it is also called this by Pitchfork [2] Squidb4ll (talk) 06:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's how it was listed for a while, and I believe we should refer to WP:SINGLESCRIT here. That Rolling Stone source, as you mentioned, as well as Stereogum, Variety, NME, and The Line of Best Fit refer to Club Classics and B2B as singles. However, Billboard Philippines, Rolling Stone UK, Pitchfork, and Hypebeast simply refer to them as "songs" or "tracks". From here, we can go to the singles criteria essay and decide how to list it. The songs fulfill "Factors that suggest a song is a single" criteria 2 and 3, but they also fulfill "Factors that may help differentiate promotional singles from regular singles" criteria 1 (Atlantic tweeted referring to them simply as "songs"), 2 (Charli posted referring to them simply as "songs"), and 10. It is also worth noting that Club Classics and B2B were not promoted to radio in any country. We need to establish a clear consensus before listing them as singles on this page. Dylx 15:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for telling me about WP:SINGLESCRIT, I didn't know that existed before. You make good points about how B2B/Club Classics is an ambiguous case for if it is a single or not. I agree that some consensus is needed first.

To try and move the argument forward, according to Von Dutch's article it was sent to Italian radio but when I looked up if 360 was, it wasn't, so that could be a case to call B2B/Club Classics singles, since they weren't the only ones that weren't sent to Italian radio. (Unless another country had 360 put onto radio) Squidb4ll (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 June 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brat (Charli XCX album) → Brat (album) – WP:PTOPIC. Brat (Nnamdï album) received 1,283 pageviews last year (as well as being questionable in notability), while Brat (Charli XCX album) has gotten over a quarter of a million views in the past 10 days. Any recent views the Nnamdï album has gotten lines up with the Charli XCX album releasing and is purely for the association. Koopastar (talk) 06:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Easily the main topic per views. Brat additionally seems to be the only Nnamdï album with an article, and even then its notability is in question. Isthmus55 (t • c) 14:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The proposed title is both recognisable and natural – it's the name and description of the album that many more people will know by this name, and that readers are likely to look and search for or that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Concentrate2 (talk) 16:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Inarguably the most relevant article when searching the term "Brat." Bayloom (talk) 18:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support Too soon to see any long-term trends but other album averaged only 5 views/day before. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think this already meets WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; the other album's page views are clearly lower than this one. Vida0007 (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for AfD I agree with the Nnamdï article being not notable. I proposed the article for deletion, but I think any title change decision should come after that gets resolved. ⠀^tomástomás_tomás⠀talk⠀ 03:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support It is clear that this album is the primary topic for the proposed title. Despite being released for just over a week, it has already garnered more notability than any other album titled 'Brat'. I'm unfamiliar with XCX's work, but her album has been covered by Forbes, Rolling Stone, The Guardian, and The New Yorker. Should any other album titled 'Brat' attract this much attention, we can have another discussion. But for now it's the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Svampesky (talk) 16:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. The article seems clearly the PTOPIC as of now. Zinderboff(talk) 16:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I moved the Nnamdï album page to a further disambiguation after Charli's album was announced. After its release, it's clear to me that it's the primary topic. Dylx 16:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the article does appear to be the primary topic when considering both coverage and page views. Aoba47 (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, although I have closed the Nnamdï album's AfD as keep. Queen of Hearts ^talk 23:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Can someone close this discussion, consensus seems to be reached. Zinderboff(talk) 08:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Inclusion of internet/political notability in top section

Not sure how to include this as I don't regularly edit Wikipedia - but I think the success of Brat's visual marketing and this being referenced by Kamala Harris (US) and the Green Party (UK) in their political campaigns makes it very notable and should be included with a sentence or two in the top section. Thoughts? - Internet is Freedom (talk) 13:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, though I think that reporting on Harris' campaign using it being just yesterday is why is hasn't been added yet. If no one writes it before this evening, I'd be happy to do it. Isthmus55 (t • c) 14:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead sections should summarize the content in the body, so please add sourced content to the body (perhaps the Promotion and impact section needs to be split?) before adding that to the lead. That will give us a much better idea of how the sources are actually writing about the album/brat summer. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]