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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Dungeons in The Legend of Zelda series (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Not encyclopedic, game guide material not of interest to the general reader. Pagrashtak 00:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As the creator of this article, I'd like to address these concerns:
Notability:
- If articles such as Places_in_The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Twilight_Princess are considered notable enough to stay on this site, surely this articles can be expanded to make it as keep-worthy as the other articles. Dungeons are the "meat and potatoes" of this series.
Verifiability
- Zelda.com is really the only source we need. The official site has complete walkthroughs for every title in the series, just not with information organized in this fashion.
Etc.
- This is not a "game help" or "game guide." My original intent was to have a page with similar purposes as "Places" except for dungeons only. I've been wanting to see a complete dungeon list for a long time, but I could never find one online.
So, with these reasons, I vote Keep. Wikipedian06 04:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- KeepActually I think this article could be expanded and made much better. DBZROCKS 00:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete, (I reformatted that previous comment according to "Wikistandards"), I'm saying weak because Wikipedia is NOT a game manual. If the article explains a broader range of subkects such as the importance or impact of the dungeons in the game, the artucle should be kept. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete In its current condition, the article is very much like a game guide. The individual game articles having sections on the setting of the game is far more important than this. Jay32183 00:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the idea of an article on the Dungeons is good, but the current article is not that good. Make it like Enemies in The Legend of Zelda series and I will be happy to vote Keep. TJ Spyke 00:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as breaching the indiscriminate information section of WP:NOT. This list can never be reliably sourced and has no real-world context. - Peripitus (Talk) 01:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It CAN be reliable sourced, if people wanted to do it. It's a good idea for an article, it just needs to be cleaned up and sourced. TJ Spyke 04:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- To what can it be sourced ? I can't see why a reliable source would be interested in writing about this. All the dungeons require is a mention in the related articles, which already seems there. This is no more an encyclopediac topic than any other strictly in-game piece that has not attracted independant review - Peripitus (Talk) 04:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It CAN be reliable sourced, if people wanted to do it. It's a good idea for an article, it just needs to be cleaned up and sourced. TJ Spyke 04:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The settings in each game are already discussed in context in each individual game's article; simply listing them out of context such as this is indiscriminate and of no encyclopedic value. Krimpet (talk/review) 01:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as unreferenced. —Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-10 02:02Z
- Delete, no game guides. Gazpacho 05:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Thewinchester (talk) 07:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom.. As much as I appreciate the games, this is total cruft, and the article title doesn't allow for much real content. Nihiltres 12:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as an indescriminate collection of information which amounts to total fancruft. This goes into very little detail and just serves as a collection of information about the game. Since Wikipedia is not a game guide, this is not the place for this information. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 13:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a violation of WP:NOT. The topic really isn't rescuable either. Arkyan • (talk) 15:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because this is associated with an immensely popular game series that has been around for a long period of time and therefore a variety of readers will be interested. --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete User:Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend?, just because it is "interesting" does not mean it should have it's own page on Wiki. Wiki is not a game guide, and if people are interested in reading about the places in a certain game, then they can buy the game guide. There are many other websites better suited than Wiki for this. JAMDAWG 16:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC) talk with me·changes[reply]
- Delete per everyone else who said to delete. Acalamari 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete Wikipedia is not a game guide. Very incomplete, seems almost arbitrarly completed. Rackabello 16:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Cannot be referenced. ➪HiDrNick! 21:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That is laughable. Just because you don't want to find sources doesn't mean it can't be referenced. The strategy guides are a good place to start. TJ Spyke 00:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Game guide content better suited for a Zelda and/or gaming wiki. RobJ1981 00:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The idea is sound, but...wellllllllll, it's a game guide. Some of these dungeons are significant enough to warrant mentions, being important to the series as a whole (Heck, Death Mountain probably deserves it's own article), but as this article is written, it's clearly on the NOT list --UsaSatsui 07:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - WP:OR. Highly non-notable.--WaltCip 13:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. PresN 16:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Funny that a page I happen to come across right when I need it (this) is listed for deletion. I never saw what was so wrong with this kind of thing -- Wikipedia is, as stated, not limited by paper restrictions and this should not limit its contents strictly to notable things. If it's verifiable, and truthful, why delete it? Then again, maybe it's just any article I come across will be deleted lately... I'm backing the original page up to my userspace even though I'm sure some asswipe admin will simply delete it again, like they did with the other copy of a deleted page I was saving (and failed to respond when I asked about it) --72.193.66.186 04:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Just because Wikipedia is editable by everyone doesn't mean it becomes what every person individually wants. There's a clear focus for the project. Don't like it? Make your own wiki. --UsaSatsui 14:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Yeah, um really people. Normally I find the accusation of 'game guide' to be totally off base, but in this case, it's EXACTLY what this is. Listing the dungeons within each article are fine, but saying where they are, what item is found there, and what the boss is? Can it BE any more of a guide? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 16:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- At least it doesn't have any stats. —Cryptic 18:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Majorly (hot!) 10:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Stoopid Monkey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
The production company of actor Seth Green, which produces the TV series Robot Chicken. No sources in its three very short paragraphs attesting to its importance other than a link to its official articles of incorporation, one of its press release announcing that it's signed a deal -- and 42 links to a fanwiki intended to justify the inclusion of a complete list of 42 production logos used on the show. Fails WP:CORP (as a standalone subject, since it's not even mentioned in the Seth Green article itself), fails WP:RS, fails WP:OR (the list), and seems primarily to be used as a fancruftian vehicle for inserting the list of logos. Calton | Talk 00:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, I think Calton has said it all! --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The company's production of an internationally televised TV series and two-picture deal with a major film studio firmly establish its notability. I agree with Calton that the list of production logos doesn't belong, and I also share the suspicion that sock/meat puppetry may have occurred (as a means of circumventing the 3RR), but neither is a valid reason to delete the article. Most of the above objections pertain to content that should simply be removed (as Calton and others attempted to do), leaving behind a perfectly valid stub about a notable company. —David Levy 01:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Detete the show is arguably notable, but not its producer which still has a second show to produce. --FateClub 02:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- At the very least, why not merge the lead into the Seth Green article and redirect Stoopid Monkey there? This factually is his production company, and there's no good reason not to document that fact somewhere (and send users who search for "Stoopid Monkey" to a relevant article). —David Levy 02:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact, Calton previously proposed such a merger and switched to AfD after an edit-war broke out. —David Levy 02:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- merge to Seth Green per above. Chris 03:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - While I realize the Google test isn't authoritative, the phrase "Stoopid Monkey" gets 3 unique news archive hits and 272 unique web hits. These include T-shirts being sold at Amazon and elsewhere, an IMDB page, and an article about the company's upcoming film Naughty or Nice. I believe this is enough independent sources to establish notability for the company independently from Seth Green (note that this company is actually the team of Seth Green and Matthew Senreich). Also please note that the page existed and was being maintained for nearly one year before the recent spate of edit warring occurred. DHowell 05:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I have suggested the "Stoopid Monkey" section be merged into the Robot Chicken page or the Seth Green page. - SVRTVDude (Yell | Toil) 05:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Thewinchester (talk) 07:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into List of Robot Chicken episodes. It looks like the article's only real purpose is to collect a list of the ending titles where the monkey is about to kill or injure himself. Since it's a running gag on the show, it's probably better to put those gags into List of Robot Chicken episodes with each episode. (As an aside, I think this is one of the funniest shows on TV right now, but WP:ILIKEIT shouldn't enter as an argument here.) --Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as noteworthy, but delete list of production logos. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 15:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge the lead into Seth Green, and the production logos list into List of Robot Chicken episodes to put them into context. Krimpet (talk/review) 16:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because Robot Chicken is an active show and always ends with that Stupid Monkey thing! --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Before discounting this opinion for the reason Uncle G is stating, please look at the edit history of other participants in this discussion to see that AfD edits are often among edits to a similar number of AfD discussions in a similarly short period of time. And I'm not sure what is so "clearly disruptive" about the rationales given (they may be insufficient for some people's tastes, but I believe they are made in good faith). Also, following this user around and commenting on all his AfD opinions is arguably stalking. DHowell 18:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Seth Green JAMDAWG 16:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC) talk with me·changes[reply]
- Merge per all other mergers. Acalamari 16:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Seth Green.Keep, recent changes have asserted notability. -Seinfreak37 17:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- MERGE or KEEP as per other posts! Bacl-presby 18:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but cleanup (remove or somehow shorten list). --ElKevbo 21:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and continue to clean and expand. This is a legitimate production company of some notability. See no grounds for deletion. Gateman1997 04:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and improve article. Company's notability has been established. Alansohn 04:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - notability has been established WaysAndMeans 00:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, don't merge, mostly per David Levy and DHowell, who's research and information are what tip the scales. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. doesn't need to be merged with Seth, as it's not just his company. Bouncehoper 03:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cheese E. by name, Cheesey by nature - Hoax; I would have nominated this for speedy deletion, but a couple of people (apart from the hoaxer) have edited the article, so maybe it isn't as blatant as I think. Pufnstuf 00:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep, I'm not sure what you mean by hoax, Pufnstuf, because anyone with a 7-year-old brother knows that this is indeed quite an annoying little character from quite an annoying TV show. I've watched it enough to know the notablity of this character. Enough said. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, I have no clue what I was thinking. I took one look at the picture (which has been deleted, the character there was real) and immediately said keep. I'm so embarrassed... --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You don't know what a hoax is? OK, I'll explain it for you; this article claims "Cheese E." is a main character in a series called "Kyle's Kracks". "Kyle's Kracks" receives zero Ghits. That's ZERO. His second feature film "C.V.B: Cheese Versus Blue", receives ZERO Ghits. Cheese E's current feature film "The Thumb Witch: The Hunt for Steven Oedekerk" receives ZERO Ghits. Hoax. Enough said. Pufnstuf 01:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete?, Strong Delete (if Cremepuff withdraws assertion of notability I have no question in my vote. Goodnightmush 02:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)) Cremepuff seems pretty confident this a real thing, but I can't find record of it. A Google search for ' "Cheese E." comic' returns only 220 results and one for the name of the comic it is allegedly in returns exactly one result...this article. Unless I'm missing something, delete. Goodnightmush 01:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Delete, almost definitely a hoax, probably something the author made up in school one day. The fact that this article is the only Google result for "Kyle's Kracks" (as well as the "movies" mentioned at the bottom of the page) is pretty conclusive. The image appears to be of another cartoon character altogether. Krimpet (talk/review) 01:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Exactly Krimpet, I was posting the same proof just as you posted this. It makes me wonder why anyone would recommend keeping such an obvious hoax though. Pufnstuf 02:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as hoax unless references are added; statements like "Cheese has stared in an unmentioned, independant film starring himself. The name of the film has been chosen to remain confidential." make this tantalizingly likely the character is non-existent. —Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-10 02:08Z
- Delete per nom. Thewinchester (talk) 07:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep to keep things interesting! :) --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Krimpet and Resurgent Insurgent Rackabello 16:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete hoax. Acalamari 16:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Belovedfreak 18:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as non-notable. Would be willing to reconsider if verifiable references were provided. --ElKevbo 21:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Cricket02 19:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete hoaxalicious. JuJube 21:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and Protect blanant hoax. Storm05 15:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep and expand. -- zzuuzz(talk) 12:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Animal Crackers (1937 comic strip) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
No sources, and no apparent notability; the creators, "Warren Goodrich" + "Dick Ryan", receive no Ghits combined. Borderline speedy because it fails to assert its notability (comic strips aren't automatically notable), but I'm listing it here in case anyone knows this. Also listing the similarly named, but apparently unrelated Animal Crackers (1930 comic strip) for the same reason - even less information in that one. Pufnstuf 00:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Delete, if references can be found, I'll change my vote. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless (good) references are given. Unverifiable for now (e.g. not on Toonopedia), even when searching for different spellings of names. Fram 11:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)Keep per NewyorkBrad (thank you!). If no other sources can be found, perhaps an article on Goodrich, with a redirect from Animal Crackers to that new article, may be better, but that is more of an editorial decision, and does not mean that this comic strip is not notable, only that we currently lack enough information for a good independent article. Fram 05:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Delete - No assertion of notability for the authors or the strip. Also, in what publication was it featured? How long did it run? We don't know any of this because there aren't any sources of information given, no verifiability. --Cyrus Andiron 12:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete -as with Cremepuff222, I can't justify deletion if sources can be found, but as is, this is a delete. Nihiltres 12:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete since no sources are to be found. No keep if nothing is attributable.. MURGH disc. 14:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Keep as per new sources. But unless more is found I agree with a merge to a Goodrich article, and above title redirecting there. MURGH disc. 09:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep as it's probably useful to keep a record of even obscure shows, i.e. to better catalog human knowledge of entertainment history. --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- But, we appear to be missing the knowledge. WP depends on the information existing elsewhere too. MURGH disc. 16:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Cremepuff222. No sources. Acalamari 16:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I can't find it listed in any of my sources, including The World Encyclopedia of Comics. 23skidoo 17:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteUnsourced, with no indication of where the strip ran (newspapers? magazines? ads?). For all we know, it ran in some bi-weekly high school newspaper.Caknuck 19:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Neutral - Changing vote per evidence mentioned below. As far as a Google search goes, make sure not to confuse this strip with the one of the same name that ran in the 1980s. Caknuck 03:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable.Would be willing to reconsider if verifiable references were provided. --ElKevbo 21:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Keep per new evidence cited below. Needs quite a bit of work but notability has been established. --ElKevbo 02:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand, shattering the consensus above. This is outside my primary expertise but references include [1], an obituary of creator Warren Goodrich, which states that in 1934, "he started a syndicated cartoon feature called 'Animal Crackers,' using animals to depict human foibles. It became an instant success. Syndicated by the Chicago Sun-Times, the one-panel cartoon, which appeared six times a week, featured in more than 100 newspapers for many years. It was so popular that the [San Francisco] Chronicle featured it on its front page next to the weather report." See also [2]. A referral to Project Comics should be able to elicit additional information and sourcing. Newyorkbrad 21:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A surprising source in Los Altos Town Crier, but it's something. Too bad so little covers this particular article, but substantial enough to support a Goodrich article which this could be merged into. MURGH disc. 00:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If there's this in a 2-minute Google search, there is more out there, although a subject-matter specialist would be useful (I have a relative with a major library on the history of comics and will do some research there when I visit, though that won't be within the 5-day term of this AfD). Newyorkbrad 00:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A surprising source in Los Altos Town Crier, but it's something. Too bad so little covers this particular article, but substantial enough to support a Goodrich article which this could be merged into. MURGH disc. 00:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and Expand. The material cited by New York Brad shows that there is enough material for a stub with possible expansion later on. A Google News Archive shows that there are considerable sources out there to support an article on the strip. [3]. Capitalistroadster 02:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This is a prime example of a subject that needs hard-copy research, not online research, and a reminder that just because something's not popular with Generation Google doesn't mean it's not notable. Is there a comics wikiproject? --Charlene 02:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I also wonder if AFD rules should be amended for cases like this which require actually going to the library or other types of research. A five-day window for articles B.G. (before google) seems small. Neier 04:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, I've added some brief information from a 1990s San Francisco Chronicle article I found in my library; that and Newyorkbrad's Los Altos Town Crier source should get us at least a decent stub. --Dragonfiend 05:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the comments above. Once again, the Google test fails us. RFerreira 02:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Politics of Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Non-notable, and all of these "political issues" are already discussed in greater detail in List of Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law episodes. Pufnstuf 00:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, per redundancy of List of Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law episodes. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Redundant, and a borderline violation of WP:SYN. —dgiestc 05:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Thewinchester (talk) 07:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because cool idea for an article. --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not nessacary. Pertainent information can be merged to List of Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law episodes Rackabello 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not needed. Acalamari 16:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. --ElKevbo 21:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was early close and delete per unanimous consensus by serious editors that this is a hoax. Sandstein 18:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was a preemptive deletion. -- Denelson83 07:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Crazy, Sick and Cracked (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Disambiguation page for three related magazines. Nothing links to it (except the list of Disambig pages), and I doubt anyone would ever type in this phrase to find any of individual magazines. Flyguy649talkcontribs 00:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete; Useless. And why isn't it Crazy, Sick, Cracked, and MAD? Pufnstuf 00:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, quite a pointless disambig. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Cause of useless disambig. Daniel5127 | Talk 04:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Thewinchester (talk) 07:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 07:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom., this is pointless. Nihiltres 12:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because I recall seeing Cracked frequently in stores growing up. --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete User:Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend?, please read the nomination fully before you vote, as you must be confused. There is already an article for each of these. The nomiation is to delete the disambig page. It really doesn't need to be there. JAMDAWG 16:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC) talk with me·changes[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the nominator. Acalamari 17:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete. What is there to disambiguate? They're three different magazine titles. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. --ElKevbo 21:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I'm going to post a CSD G6 here. It's not a disambig page that only points to one item, it's a disambig page that, per consensus here, attempts to disambiguate something that isn't even ambiguous to begin with. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. -- zzuuzz(talk) 12:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly non-notable, possibly fails WP:BIO. Asking for ruling. Cool BlueLight my Fire! 00:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete, reading the article, he seems to have some notability. But without sources, the information is unreliable. (I like that tuba, though...) :-) --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The article was created with a spelling error in the title. The correct spelling is James Gourlay. His records alone make him notable, I think. There are many references for him when you search on Google with the correct spelling. --Eastmain 01:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - the article is puffery as written but searching through news articles shows he will easily pass WP:BIO requirements. Very well known musician, judge in international concerts, present on a few music releases I can find, quite a few mentions in news articles etc... - Peripitus (Talk) 01:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep per above two justifications. --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep; seems notable enough to me. --ElKevbo 21:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, the Philip Jones Brass Ensemble is a notable band, and the adjectives in the articles can be removed (an anti-adjective bot might come in handy; it should be easy to write. ). DGG 23:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Satisfies WP:Music. Cricket02 19:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Timeline of Dragon Ball (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
This a non-notable, crufty list of dates in a fictional series. It cannot be referenced adequately, and is probably plagiarized. There is no way for it to be improved. Nemu 00:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I should probably point out the deletion for Power level (Dragon Ball). It relied off of the same material for a source, and was more important in general than this (yet still crufty and unimportant). Nemu 01:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Dragonball has Three parts The timeline nicely summerises it all. DBZROCKS 01:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please change your "Support" and "Oppose" votes to "Keep" and "Delete". It appears very confusing. Are you supporting deleting or supporting keeping? - Zero1328 Talk? 01:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete, if the article can be a bit more in depth and if information is cited to insure that it's not plagiarized, it may be useful for some people. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 00:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
*Keep I support the Dragon Ball Timeline because it summirises the plot of the entire series including movies without being too long. DBZROCKS 00:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
*Keep I feel that it is need do to it has the time and dates of many important event in Dragon Ball history. It can be improved but it is a ok article. Heat P 00:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Very, very weak Keep This page needs to be worked heavily, I will try to add references as soon as I'm done with Devil May Cry's FAC. -凶 00:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Per Nemu's points--$UIT 00:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Material that only appeared in a "reference" book and only in Japan. Since it wasn't adapted directly from the series (which had very very few references to internal dates), inclusion of such a lengthly list can't be anything more than plagarism.JRP 01:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep It's a timeline of a major series, which could certainly be improved if people took the effort to do so. I'm not sure how anyone could claim Dragon Ball is non-notable, but whatever. The only valid concern is the copyright issue. Where do you believe it was copied from? FrozenPurpleCube 03:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It's basically a word for word copy of its only source, the only noticeable difference being what things are called and how they're spelt. Given that this source says, "If you see this exact translation on anyone elses' site, that means they stole it from me, in that event, please contact me," you could easily slap a {{db-copyvio}} on it and be done with it. ~SnapperTo 06:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, sounds like somebody should contact that author then, see if they care to give permission for its use, and if not, delete, with no prejudice against recreation. FrozenPurpleCube 14:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, ballcruft. -- Hoary 05:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and ors Thewinchester (talk) 07:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Copyright violation and WP:NOT a plot summary. ' 09:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and per WP:NOT a plot summary. Notice also Dragon Ball alternate timelines. Fram 10:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Go ahead and Delete After taking a look at the copied source Snapper just gave us I now go with the points Nemu gave us. So I revert my earlier statement. Heat P 11:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Yeah i just looked at the page and it really isn't necessisary. put blunt it sucks. forget what I said earlier. DBZROCKS 11:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because timelines are helpful for putting things in chronological context! --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the other deletes. Acalamari 17:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Snapper2. Would reconsider if the original author were willing to relicense under GFDL. --ElKevbo 21:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:CRUFT TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The team wished upon the Dragon Balls for a Delete...and then a year passed...--UsaSatsui 07:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Bonnie O'Neil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
I've been meaning to AfD this for a while. Article is a case of WP:AUTOBIO/WP:OR/WP:COI as it was created by User:Perryo, who claims to be husband of the subject. She seems to have written or edited a few technical reports, mostly NN as far as I can tell, and edited a textbook or two (not authored, as the article says). Still, no independent sources, so doesn't meet WP:BIO. Danski14(talk) 00:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, per nominator. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!, ???) 01:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per nom, Do I understand correctly that the second "source" is the personal experience of the article creator, the subject's spouse? Pete.Hurd 02:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, also the father of Chris O'Neil, who apparently is notable. Danski14(talk) 04:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Thewinchester (talk) 07:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 07:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because perhaps others with less of a personal connection can add and improve it? --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Rgds, - Trident13
- Delete per nom. --ElKevbo 21:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete All of the "articles" she has listed seem to be semi-technical write-ups in http://www.b-eye-network.com , and I do not know the reliability or the standards of that website. Some of their material is clearly edited--some of it is probably not. Items from there have been used to support several WP articles, but never as the sole publication medium listed. (It's new to me--does anyone have more knowledge about it?)
- She is the principle of Westridge Consulting, and it's odd that this is not even mentioned in the article.Her work is hard to search as there is an apparently more-widely known economic development consultant with the same name. None of her work is in the least academic--not even listed in CiteSeer. It is possible that an article could be written, but not based on this one. DGG 23:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like promotion by User: Crushed Optimism. Does not satisfy WP:WEB, so far as I can tell. As a Mariners fan, I have never heard of this site. C S (Talk) 01:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Somehow, I imagine that the majority of notable fansites would at least have up to date information on the standings. The Mariners may have been postponed the last 4 or so days in Cleveland, but they've still played at least 3 games. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 01:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, at first glance, it appears to violate WP:SPAM, but I'd say WP:WEB is also a violation. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!, ???) 01:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Thewinchester (talk) 07:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because I would like to learn more about this. Best, --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the nominator. Acalamari 17:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom; fails WP:WEB. As always, would reconsider if additional evidence were offered. --ElKevbo 21:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per ElKebo. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- weak delete but I'd be more comfortable if others looked at it. DGG 04:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete a7, no assertion of notability, no indep. sources. NawlinWiki 14:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't provide enough sources to make this musician to be notable. It only provides a MySpace page. Also, I provided a Google search and didn;t get results about such artist. Only links to sites of profiles of the perosn on accounts he could possibly made like MySpace, My Crib, SoundClick, & iSound. esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 01:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. None of the specific links on his article are actual articles except for his first CD, which is up for speedy deletion. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 01:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, non-notable, unreferenced, delete it already!! ;-) --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!, ???) 01:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and ors Thewinchester (talk) 07:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Harryboyles 12:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- HP Output Management Solutions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Appears to be nothing but spam. Questionable assertion of notability of the specific service. Previous prod. Page originally claimed to be copyvio, even if this is not the case it doesn't seem to be notable and is blatant advertising. Goodnightmush 01:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as blatent advertising, and so tagged. If not speedy deleted, delete as spam and as non-notable. DES (talk) 01:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, violates WP:SPAM, doesn't seem very notable. Also simply a list, no meaningful information. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!, ???) 01:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete CSD G11 Thewinchester (talk) 07:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, because HP is very important in the computer world. --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And is now an indefinitely blocked sock puppet --Steve (Stephen) talk 09:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete spam. Acalamari 17:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete spam, especially seeing that the creator and main editor of the article is User:HPOMteam. --Mary quite contrary (hai?) 18:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete spamalmighty --Steve (Stephen) talk 09:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete as original research. - Mailer Diablo 09:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Alternative natural history (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
The user Warfwar3 has been creating a string of articles, Future Human Evolution (speedy delete), Speculative biology (prod, user keeps creating redirects) and now Alternative natural history. These all seem be advertisement/presentation of original research in relation to the book Future Evolution, which was written by Peter Ward (offhand suspicious sounding relation to Warfwar3, but that may just be a coincidence). Cquan (talk, AMA Desk) 01:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I think it should be given some time. Warfwar3 01:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Ha! Warfwar3, Ward?
- Keep Warfwar3 01:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not a vote. Please explain why the article should be kept. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 02:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep 72.70.112.106 interesting subject
- Maybe, but please read this link. "Interesting", in short, is not a criteria here on Wikipedia for a keeper. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 02:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as original research. The concept does not seem discussed anywhere reputable - Peripitus (Talk) 01:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete, (edit conflict), the article seems to have an interesting subject and an "expansion-able" title. It is unreferenced, has no meaningful links to other articles, and seems to violate WP:OR, but with some work I think it can be improved. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!, ???) 01:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete as vandalism. So tagged. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 02:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Changed my mind, merely delete. The sockpuppets won't help things though. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 02:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. While the topic is interesting, where in peer-reviewed journals does the term alternative natural history appear? And now there is a new page called speculative biology which redirects to alternative natural history. Where is this term defined in scientific journals? Warfwar3 just added speculative biology to Human evolution. I think this is growing out of control. Fred Hsu 02:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletions. -- Pete.Hurd 02:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and ors, original research Thewinchester (talk) 07:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as OR unless sources can be produced that show where the information came from. --Cyrus Andiron 12:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
CommentWeak delete I do not find citations for the exact term "alternative natural history" but I have seen a number of articles in such publications as Scientific American which look at projected evolutionary trends in animal form under various scenarios. An article examining projected evolutionary developments which have been published in such magazines as Scientific American, National Geographic, or even Popular Science would not be statements of well established scientific fact, but neither would they be crystal balling, since the extrapolations did not originate with the Wikipedia editor. Added: Looking at Future evolution and the other article cited in the present article, I feel the topic is adequately covered there and that this otherwise unsourced article adds too little to justify a separate article. I would argue to keep Future evolution. Edison 14:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Delete. It's essentially a copy-paste of the other article in question (Speculative biology) and nothing more than a blurb of WP:OR. No reason to keep, compelling or otherwise. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arkyan (talk • contribs) 15:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- If Arkyan is correct (and others have also suggested) then this should be a CSD:G4
speedy delete. Pete.Hurd 15:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If Arkyan is correct (and others have also suggested) then this should be a CSD:G4
- Well the problem is that it wasn't really deleted content, the author appears to have "contested" the prod on the original article by redirecting it here with essentially the same text and an example for padding. Not quite a G4 but constantly trying to dodge the issue by redirecting content elsewhere really isn't appropriate. Arkyan • (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I stand corrected, it's not a CSD:G4, just plain old delete-worthy puffery. Pete.Hurd 21:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep, as we need to be open-minded to varities of viewpoints. --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- But we cannot be open-minded to any variety of WP:OR. That's policy. New or controversial ideas are welcome so long as it's been attributed and sourced. This is not. Arkyan • (talk) 16:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. We should definitely keep the Future Evolution article since that is about a book that is notable and is presented as such. I raised this AfD because the other articles, Speculative biology and Alternative natural history seem to be aimed as presenting ideas from the book as real science (hence the marking as a biology topic/stub, linking to it from evolutionary biology and human evolution). This is also not a speedy delete because it is basically a contested prod off of Speculative biology. Future human evolution was speedily deleted, but the (limited) content on that article was different enough from these articles so this doesn't constitute G4. However, since the Spec. bio. and Alt. nat. hist. articles are substantially the same, they should probably have the same fate. -Cquan (talk, AMA Desk) 16:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Why not add a criticism section? 72.70.112.106
- comment This could be tied into specualtion about lifeforms on other planets, which is also speculation based on natural laws.
- Delete as Original Research --LeflymanTalk 22:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep There have been a number of articles and books on the subject, some serious projections, some seriously intended hypotheses to teach the principles of evolution, such as Future Evolution, and of course some popular at all sorts of levels. We need an article to tie them together, and this article would do as a start--or Speculative Biology; we definitely do not need the two. I am not sure which way the merge should go. DGG 23:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep There is a lot of information about this scattered through many different articles. ITs time to bring it together.Bioblue93 — User's first edit. Sandstein 18:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - incoherent bollocks, would say OR if this could be called research. Sandstein 18:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:OR and/or WP:Neologism. A search in Google Scholar shows that this term isn't really used in the meaning relevant to this article. Yevgeny Kats 04:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. It seems that the article has been improved with the addition of reliable sources.Yannismarou 08:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:WEB. All references are directly related to the subject, bringing this article closer to an advertisement rather than an encyclopedic subject. Longhair\talk 01:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Longhair\talk 01:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I'm surprised you (presumably) haven't heard of them Longhair, they've been around for years, have had TV ads, etc. Probably the best known company of its type in Australia. -- Chuq (talk) 01:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Oh I've heard of them, but are they notable outside of their own advertising efforts? -- Longhair\talk 01:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep, I think it can be improved as long as it squeezes out the discreet attempts at advertising, but the article does seem non-notable, at least for people near where I live... --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!, ???) 01:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete per nom; while notable, it would need significant improvement to bring it up to an appropriate level worthy of encyclopaedic status. Notability is a real issue for the company per Longhair thewinchester 02:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Longhair. --cj | talk 02:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and cleanup. Google News Archive comes up with 25 articles [4] including this article claiming that it was one of Australia's fastest growing companies of 2005. [5]. Capitalistroadster 03:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteHappy to leave it up now (see comment below) Per Longhair and also because article has been tagged etc for sometime and has not and is not moving from advertisement to encyclopedic.--VS talk 04:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Comment emailcash is a notable company, though the article is not sourced —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bandwagonman (talk • contribs) 06:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Keep I have re-formated and sourced the site. I believe EmailCash is of sufficient notability. User:Bandwagonman
- Comment In my view you have done little more than made the article more of an advertisement. There are claims being made (for example comments like ... with over 400,000 members as of 2005) require inline referencing and the article needs to be reworded to encyclopedic terms. Most of us won't mind it staying up and I might even change my vote but please provide direct inline references very soon else I will remove the uncited, non-attributed information in the next little while.--VS talk 08:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I was merely trying to help whoever posted this article, if someone could rewrite it in a more encyclopedic way then I encourage them as I feel EmailCash is a notable company. Comments such as with over 400,000 members as of 2005 were more to establish the importance of the company rather than advertise it, personally I have no interest in supporting or joining emailcash, especially after doing some secondary research on it. Bandwagonman 08:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I have removed the obvious comments that may come across as advertising, there may be more that need deleting, also I have referenced two of the articles suggested by capitalistroadster, I still believe that emailcash is a notable company. Bandwagonman 09:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have altered my view as noted above after Bandwagonman's attention and good work.--VS talk 10:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep. Just revise it to sound more encyclopedic. Cheers! --Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? 16:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedian, Historian, and Friend? (talk · contribs) just opined "strong keep" in 27 AFD discussions over a period of 35 minutes, several times with clearly disruptive rationales. Uncle G 16:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, annoying enough to be notable. Lankiveil 11:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Keep, it's notable and deleting the article will only restart the clock on a slow moving article. John Vandenberg 13:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per User:Lankiveil. Jtrainor 23:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the article fails WP:NOTABLE and WP:ATT, not been the subject of multiple independent reviews from WP:RS the BRW ref is independant but the other is only repeating the BRW article.Gnangarra 11:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Comment, I added another five references to support notablity and to establish that it is attributable, though basically as per norm, EmailCash is annoying enough to be notable. Bandwagonman 14:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- change to Keep 4 reliable sources(didnt check but agf they aren't advertorials) 3 aust newspapers, and 1 nz business mag. Gnangarra 14:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedily deleted by Soumyasch. MER-C 12:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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There's no information on itSpookyPig 01:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, non-notable. No content, no references, no need for it on Wiki. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!, ???) 01:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Probably a test page--$UIT 01:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete. Just a simple speedy deletion is enough like {{db-blank}} or {{db-band}} --esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 02:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete A3. So tagged. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 02:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete per nom Thewinchester (talk) 07:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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