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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by FoxtAl (talk | contribs) at 01:05, 21 March 2024 (→Remove BAE Systems from lede: Repetition). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Turkish / UK Origin

I Have listed the national origin as "Turkish, United Kingdom". Due to the fact that UK based BAE is providing design oversight and UK based Rolls Royce is providing propulsion. In addition, a recent statement from BAE says "At its peak, hundreds of Turkish and UK engineers will collaborate on the TF-X programme helping to support collaboration on the skills, technology and technical expertise required to deliver the programme." http://www.baesystems.com/en/article/bae-systems-signs-heads-of-agreement-for-a-future-contract-with-turkish-aerospace-industries-for-tf-x-programme If anyone has information to prove this is overwhelmingly a Turkish project they are encouraged to post it here before editing. STKS91 (talk) 00:02, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it, again. No one is disputing UK involvement, but it doesn't rise to the level national origin, which usually means prime contractors in both countries. We also don't usually don't count engine providers, as the engines are covered separately in their own articles. A comparable example is the AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo, which has heavy involvement by US companies, but the US isn't included in the national origin field, and shouldn't be. - BilCat (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

UK is not a nation of origin. Because; Buying engineering support is a common thing and it doesn't mean that BAE nor UK have any rights on the aircraft. There are around 150 BAE engineers involved in the project and they are only there to support not to design.Rolls-Royce engine deal is long gone.

It's overwhelmingly Turkish because like I said before, this is not a joint venture and project rights belongs to the TAI, there are 150 British engineers and a thousand Turkish engineers in the project if you want numbers. ŞeyhMuşmula (talk) 01:56, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which Engine?

While an agreement is signed with Eurojet engine manufacturer in 2015, which seems final, other parties are still vying for this engine as of 2018. EJ200 link says it is the engine of choice, and then says it was not chosen. Can someone clear this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.247.165.26 (talk) 14:27, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First flight date.

First flight on 2023 or 2030? Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 05:23, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:CRYSTAL, I've removed them from the infobox and lead. No person can say that a rollout will happen in 2 years on a specific date, even a chief executive. Things happen. BilCat (talk) 10:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's 2025, CEO himself announced it few weeks ago. But someone named shadow.. something keeps editing the page as "it is delayed to 2030s" with secondary sources who use old information and apperantly CEO's words are not as valuable as a UAE funded England centred anti-Turkey propaganda news website to him. I can not undue his edita anymore as it became something called edit battle. I'm writing here and hoping someone would do something about it. ŞeyhMuşmula (talk) 02:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title change to TAI-MMU

Main firm of the aircraft is calling the aircraft TAI - MMU (Milli Muharip Uçak - National War Plane Or National Fighter Plane)

https://www.tusas.com/urunler/yeni-projeler/ozgun/mmu

https://www.ssb.gov.tr/Website/ContentList.aspx?PageID=362 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.230.183.184 (talk)

No. It's still called the TF-X in English per the TAI's own website. Further, reliable, published English-language sources still use TF-X, and that still makes it the WP:COMMONNAME. BilCat (talk) 19:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistani involvement

It is reported on the Wikipedia page of the Pakistan aeronautical complex that they have agreed to cancel project azm and assist in this venture with turkey leading the way. Therefore Pakistan should have its involvement acknowledged on this page.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Aeronautical_Complex 80.5.199.172 (talk) 07:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The page does not say that they working on TAI TF-X, can you give me a quote?Shadow4dark (talk) 07:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TF vs TF-X

Is it time to delete the "X"? "Turkish Aerospace refers to this program as the Turkish Fighter (TF) and exclude the “X” at the end of its title with an emphasis that it is no longer an Experimental aircraft," writes Defence Turkey 46.31.112.214 (talk) 05:53, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So what do you expect to be written? "Turkish Fighter non-experimental"? No, its prototype process will last to 2028 and have 9 prototypes and most probably name will be known as TF-X till starting of serial production. Gajlsi (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename article to TAI Kaan

All reference to the TF-X developmental name has been removed from its page on the Turkish Aerospace Industries official website. https://www.tusas.com/en/products/new-projects/original-development/tf 12.188.140.146 (talk) 22:00, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have made some mistakes in the references part, cant revert it. Please take a look and revert my changes. 95.2.9.96 (talk) 09:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove BAE Systems from lede

"It is being developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries and the sub-contractor BAE systems"

The contract TAI signed with BAE is worth $125 million while developing a 5th gen fighter costs tens of billions of dollars. Besides, it ignores all the other subcontractors of TAI like TUSAS, TRMOTOR, Aselsan, Roketsan and most likely bunch of other companies, some of these being bigger partners than BAE.

Plus, some users use this to try to make the page sound like it's a joint venture between TAI and BAE, which it isn't. (You can see the edit warring in the edit history.)

If there is no objection I will either remove BAE systems from the lede, or add the major sub-contractors. 88.230.179.144 (talk) 17:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to me that the IP above has a legitimate point. I suggest that people discuss it, rather than attempting to exclude the IP. [1][2] AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can't remove BAE Systems, as BAE Systems is not just another subcontractor like TUSAS, TRMOTOR, Aselsan, Roketsan but a crucial partner. The BAE Systems press-release [3] notes that - "In the presence of The Prime Ministers of Turkey and the United Kingdom, BAE Systems and Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) today signed a Heads of Agreement to collaborate on the first development phase of an indigenous fifth-generation fighter jet for the Turkish Air Force – TF-X. BAE Systems Chief Executive Ian King, speaking on the occasion, also confirms that [4] - "The announcement signals an exciting next step in relations between both Turkey and the UK with the cooperation between BAE Systems and TAI paving the way for a deeper defence partnership. The agreement confirms ongoing collaborative work on the design and development of the aircraft.” Turkish state run news agency Anadolu Agency also confirms it's a collaboration [5]. Other leading sources like the FlightGlobal (link-[6]) and Aviation International News (link - [7]) also confirms that BAE Systems is a partner. So I think it is more appropriate to change the content in lead to "...all-weather air superiority fighter in developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) in partnership with BAE systems" or to this, as my previous edit [8] - "developed between TAI and BAE Systems" - which is explicitly stated in this source (The Daily Telegraph) [9]. Regards FoxtAl (talk) 01:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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