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If I declined your draft at AfC, and you came to ask me to re-review it, please don't (unless I expressly said you could) – I feel it's fairer to the other drafts that yours goes back to the pool... and probably also fairer to your draft that someone else reviews it next. (And if you just came to tell me you've made changes, that's great, but no need to inform me.)

If you still want to leave me a message about a draft or article, I'd appreciate if you could please link to the page in question, so I don't have to go hunting for it. Ta.

query for the page Sheth Maganbhai Karamchand

Hi DoubleGrazing,

Thank you very much for your comment on page


== Thank you for the comment on Draft talk:Sheth Maganbhai Karamchand. The information written in the article is taken from the book mentioned in the sources. can you please help me as to why it has been rejected? Thank you.

Hi DoubleGrazing,

Thank you very much for your comment on page Draft:You Yang, I have updated the title which is more general and this will make the page more rigorous. Thank you again for your help and hope you have a nice weekend~ Yanjia00 (talk) 11:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Saidmohamedmarketer on Kamougue Assoum (23:20, 13 January 2024)

Please secuty to page --Saidmohamedmarketer (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Need help to valid an article.

Hi there, hope you're well. I wanted to talk to you about an article that I want to write about EUROPA STAR HBM which is a Swiss watch magazine. You refused me the article twice because it looked like i've been payed by EUROPA STAR HBM to redact the article. I just needed help to change things on the article that could possibly make it valid for wikipedia.

Thanks for the help ! Remi.apresdemain (talk) 08:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Remi.apresdemain: you need to start by disclosing your paid-editing status, as per the messages I've posted on your talk page.
Then, if you want to create a draft, you do that by summarising what reliable and independent secondary sources have said about the subject, citing those sources against the information they have provided. That gives you the draft content, referencing, and proof of notability in one go, as well as hopefully avoiding promotional tone or content. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But, the problem is that im not affiliate to this company and I already mentioned externe references, I don't understand why the article is still not valid... Remi.apresdemain (talk) 09:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh please, I'm looking at your website, where you list this publication among your clients!
Just make the paid-editing disclosure, it's not an optional extra, it is a hard requirement, and I shouldn't really have to keep asking. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About Draft:Auto rickshaw advertising - AI generated example in the wild? Keep and examine?

Hi DoubleGrazing,

This draft would appear to me to be an instance of AI generated content.

OK, so it's a kinda sorta WP:G11 candidate, but the tell that it's AI generated would appear the "Conclusion" section.

It would appear to me that there are any number of AI "conclusions" or "summary" generators out there in the wild.

Would it be OK with you to keep this, and examine it further?

Pete AU aka Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Shirt58: interesting, the thought didn't even cross my mind, on this occasion. I'm seeing more and more of content like this (with a 'conclusion' section, etc., as you say) at AfC, and sometimes I do check them, but either my spidey sense is completely off the mark or the tool I use isn't very good, as the result is invariably 'not AI'.
Yes of course, feel free to decline the speedy, no need to even let me know (although nice of you that you did). Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

references question for Draft:Yeshiva_Ohavei_Torah

Thank you for reviewing!

Could you help regarding _which_ qualities the references are lacking?

The "declined" message has a reminder that sources must be: in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent. It's not obvious to me which of those are lacking. Both references cover the subject in several paragraphs. The publication (Yated Ne'eman) is a weekly news magazine, and not at all affiliated with subject. Though the publication has a religious affiliation, I believe it is reliable in the context of the small bit of information regarding this school.

Thanks again... Plumk (talk) 18:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Plumk:
For notability per WP:GNG, we need to see significant coverage of the subject in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. Your draft only cites one source, Yated Ne'eman. Whether that's reliable and/or independent, I don't know, but I do know it is just one source. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, thanks! Plumk (talk) 18:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Believed hoax(MINHNMITY)

I did not mean to confuse anybody on this topic. I am deeply sorry for your time wasted. It was not a hoax and I will also become a journalists. Again, apologies to you. Wilhelm444 (talk) 07:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Filminfonow on Nirmala kumari (13:15, 16 January 2024)

Where is my page Nirmala Kumari ? I just finished typing and attaching links to it but it has disappeared and I can’t seem to get back to it ?! Pls helppp --Filminfonow (talk) 13:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Filminfonow: I don't know. Your edit history shows only one edit, this question here on my talk page. I cannot find any articles or drafts on 'Nirmala Kumari' or 'Nirmala kumari'. I can only assume you didn't save your draft and may have lost your work? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 10:31:17, 17 January 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Saffiraymond


Hi, please would it be possible to provide support on what material should be removed or how additional citations can be included. In writing this, I have detailed many sources to validate this articel (from reliable and trusted references) as I have looked to maintain credibility. Your help would be appreciated. I really want to get this published.

Saffiraymond (talk) 10:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Saffiraymond: this draft has been each time declined for insufficient referencing. Please read my 4 October comment, which explains this. TL;DNR = basically everything has to be clearly supported by inline citations to reliable sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciated the feedback here. Thank you. This has been takne into account in detail for our recent submission. Saffiraymond (talk) 17:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Tim Olmstead (20:06, 18 January 2024)

Hey, Double Grazing! You know, I'm supposed to be working on something else! I want to add to an existing article - Frank Buckiewicz - but don't know how to go about it.

Peace,

Tim O. --Tim Olmstead (talk) 20:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from me.

Why exactly did you decline my draft? Now asking you to re-review it but what do you mean "no reliable sources" this person is literally my great grandfather Yeghishedaviti (talk) 08:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- and not only that. Whats is a notability guideline? Is a war participant not a hero? Is his contribution to the victory against fascism not considered notable? Correct me if I am misunderstood on the whole thing, but please atleast help me in anyway to atleast meet these "guidelines" which i am apparently not following. Yeghishedaviti (talk) 08:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, happy to help.
Firstly, reliable sources: your draft cites only one source, and that only once (at the very end). Even if that source genuinely supports all the information in the draft, it needs to be cited more than once, to make it clear to the reader where each bit of the information has come from.
Secondly, the subject being "literally [your] great grandfather": this creates a conflict of interest (see WP:COI), which means you ideally shouldn't be writing about this subject in the first place, and in any case need to formally disclose the COI, as detailed in the message I posted on your talk page.
Thirdly, notability: being a 'hero' etc., or more generally 'famous' or 'important' or 'highly regarded' or anything of that ilk, is not what we mean by notability in the Wikipedia context. We mean instead that the subject has been featured in significant extent and detail in multiple (3+) secondary sources (newspapers, magazines, books, TV/radio programmes, etc.) which are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. Please see the general notability guideline WP:GNG which explains this in more detail.
Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Yeghishedaviti. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thank you. Yeghishedaviti (talk) 10:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from ChanGlen (05:21, 24 January 2024)

Hey there. Im looking to write about a musician who's in my country who's contributed more than 30 years towards the upliftment of his traditional music. How can I achieve this? I have already done ectensive research on his journey and have all the materials required --ChanGlen (talk) 05:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @ChanGlen: you first need to find a few (3-5) reliable secondary sources that are completely independent of this person, and have written about them extensively. Summarise what they've said, citing each source against the information it provides. You can use the article wizard at WP:YFA, where you also find more advice. When you're finished drafting, submit your draft for a pre-publication review at the AfC (Articles for Creation) project. Good luck, and happy editing! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Naci_Görür

Hi, please see User talk:Chetsford. Thanks. TLA (talk) 09:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Adam Azim Maldives

Please search for the individual with Maldives in the Search phrase or in Maldivian language. He is the currently elected Mayor of Maldives Capital City Male', and if you have enough research will see plenty that defines notability. Also please populate the page and develop it. Existence Leesaaisath 09:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leesaaisath: no, you find and add the sources, and you "populate the page and develop it". I have no interest in this subject, other than to make sure that articles that are published actually comply with our policies and guidelines, which this one didn't. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
we are all contributors here, Please dont use forceful languages. I have informed you about the page. Everyone develops.
Please teach me why it doesnt under what GNG Points. Will be glad to comply. Thanks Existence Leesaaisath 09:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leesaaisath: I'm not using any "forceful language". You told me to develop the article, and I simply told it back to you.
If you're not familiar with the general notability guideline WP:GNG, then it's probably high time you looked into it, because it applies to the vast majority of subjects. It requires significant coverage, directly of the subject, in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. None of the three sources cited in this article meets that standard.
Furthermore, as already mentioned, articles on living people (WP:BLP) have particularly strict referencing requirements. Which source gives this person's DOB, or his educational background? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DOB and some details were was populated by other editors, if you dont see it, remove it, without ordering others to do it. I dont own any article here. I am well aware of guidelines, it is 4 years I have been doing it.
So, if you want to be part of it, like me assist in it, also I respectfully ask to research before you establish consensus. If it doesn't meet a guideline explain to us so we can understand.
Good Attitude is very important here in Wikipedia and its also part of guidelines, we are all editors and all of us contribute and facts are respected in regard to guidelines, not opinions. Comment on the search link results about the subject regarding guidelines. Existence Leesaaisath 10:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leesaaisath: I repeat, I have no interest in or intention to develop or otherwise edit this article. I came across it while doing new page patrol, and had to deal with the fact that it was violating GNG and BLP rules. I did so by draftifying it. If you wish to develop it further yourself, feel free; otherwise it will one day get deleted automatically. Up to you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need to repeat things here and one's intentions, being a page patroller doesn't mean that one cannot edit whats not properly cited, and order some to do certain work with attitudes.
If have no interest to properly research, best to keep as is or ask an admin or someone interested to dig in it. I think there is a huge responsibility given to you by the Wiki on how to treat others. We are not talking on an article page, its about how we interact. Existence Leesaaisath 16:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Check the search, and see for yourself. [1]https://www.google.com/search?q=adam+azim+maldives&oq=adam+azim+maldives&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j35i39j0i512l2j69i60l3.2824j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1
Existence Leesaaisath 09:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Leesaaisath I can only see one useful source there [2] which is about him being arrested, the rest are not independent or reliable. Theroadislong (talk) 10:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The times of India
Amnesty international
edition.mv
The Maldives Journal
Sun Online
Maldives Independent
PSM News
These are major news sources in Maldives plus some of international sources I have just found in 2 mins of search. Existence Leesaaisath 16:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leesaaisath: then add them to the draft, there's no point in listing them here on my talk page.
You seem to be under the impression that it is somehow other editors' responsibility to search for sources, whereas it is very much the article creator's (ie. your) responsibility. If that's news to you, perhaps you should put any future articles through the AfC review process where experienced editors can help you get it right. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Its not about news to me, the issue here is not the article itself, first it was not my inclusions about DOB and so on, and its best to give sometime to read the work before assuming or bringing things up with certain unceremonious tones.
This is mostly about the attitude. I dont think there is a guideline allowing that in wiki and I think the more experience one has, one usually encourages others. Existence Leesaaisath 17:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.

I'm grateful for your string recommendations for my Wikipedia article about Ukrainian swimmer Volodymyr Lisovets, adding some important facts about his life, education and career. Ілля Криворучко (talk) 13:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Francesco Mazzei

I need to understand why my biography has been declined again. I used to have a page on Wikipedia but it was taken down. Here you can see a copy of the old page on Wikitia - what do I need to add/change to get this up? It is effecting my brand. Are you able to find the old page and put it back up? MazzeiFrancesco (talk) 11:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @MazzeiFrancesco,
I declined the draft ( Courtesy link: Draft:Francesco Mazzei) because there is no evidence of notability, which is a core requirement for inclusion in the encyclopaedia. The draft cites three sources, none of which meets the WP:GNG standard for notability.
I have no knowledge of any previous article on this subject, or whether and why it might have been deleted. Even if I did, I wouldn't be able to restore it, as I'm not an administrator.
I'm sorry to hear that the absence of a Wikipedia article (if I've understood you correctly) is affecting your brand, but this is not a relevant consideration for Wikipedia, and you should not try to use Wikipedia for your promotional or similar purposes.
Aside all that, you should also read WP:AUTOBIO, which lists several reasons why you should not be writing about yourself in the first place. And yes, in saying that I realise that you didn't actually create this draft yourself, you appear to have instructed your web designers to do it, who edit/-ed as AltitudeDesignLtd; they should have disclosed their paid editing status, but failed to do so despite this being requested, and are therefore contravening Wikipedia's terms and conditions of use.
For all these reasons, there isn't anything I can do to help with this matter. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please Review my Sandbox

hello dear, please review my Sandbox. BANEN24 (talk) 17:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New heading

You rejected my article submission because its draft name is incorrect If so then let me tell you, I tried a lot to change the draft name but the option to change the draft name was not given Refined Wisdom (talk) 18:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Refined Wisdom:
Firstly, I did not reject your draft User:Refined Wisdom/sandbox, I only declined it.
Secondly, I didn't decline it because of its title, but because it is insufficiently referenced, and needs more work to make it a viable article draft.
Thirdly, you cannot rename pages, you can only move them to a different title; this is why the option to rename was not offered.
HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But I have used references or if these references are not correct then I will tell you that this book has been used in other articles also You can see the article on Maratha attack Ahmednagar. The same book has been used in that which I have used for reference Refined Wisdom (talk) 18:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Refined Wisdom: you have referenced this with just one source (albeit cited twice). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have given 2 references if 1 reference is wrong then should the wrong reference be removed and submission of article from only one reference can be accepted please tell Refined Wisdom (talk) 19:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please tel me Refined Wisdom (talk) 05:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have given 2 references, if 1 reference is wrong then should the wrong reference be removed and submission of article from only one reference can be accepted please tell

User:Refined Wisdom/sandbox

Please help me You said only one of my references is correct but I have given two references You said if one reference is correct then one must be wrong so I removed one reference and submitted the article with only one correct reference Will it be accepted Please tell me Refined Wisdom (talk) 07:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 10:42:28, 1 February 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Ashgabat 2024


Hi, DoubleGrazing. I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to express my gratitude for taking the time to review the initial draft of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of Turkmenistan article. Your insights were helpful in guiding the revisions.

I tried to incorporate your suggestions as much as possible and refined the content.

Your feedback is of immense value to me, and I would greatly appreciate any additional insights you might have upon reviewing the updated content.

Thank you for your support. Ashgabat 2024 (talk) 10:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC) Ashgabat 2024 (talk) 10:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the new article creation Avdhesh Kushwaha

Hi, DoubleGrazing,

Thank you for reviewing the content. I would like to mention that I have added links of IMDB as a reference. Please do let me know if Imdb user page is acceptable for this consideration. Let me share the user profile here again : https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6754540/ Rajesh 14:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therajeshjoshi (talk • contribs)

@Therajeshjoshi: IMDb is not a reliable source, as it is mostly user-generated and has no editorial oversight; the numerous IMDb references was the main reason why I had to decline this draft. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply. I agree on the user generated content on Imdb but the user page avdhesh kushwaha is created by Imdb itself. and Avdhesh Pandey is well known for his character Bantu Pandey in Bhagonwali - Baante Apni Taqdeer telecasted on Zee TV. apart from this his works includes in Web Series as an actor as well he has helped in casting the starcast. Rajesh 14:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therajeshjoshi (talk • contribs)

Sala Lab

Hi DoubleGrazing,

Thank you for reviewing content about the Sala Lab. Would you be able to offer additional insight into how I can improve the draft so it is accepted? STRWikiUpdates (talk) 16:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sala_Lab STRWikiUpdates (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@STRWikiUpdates: I can tell you the basic premise of article creation, if that helps.
What you don't do, is write what you want (or, given your paid-editing status, what your client wants), and then try to find sources that support it. (Or in this case, not even that.) This is known as BACKWARD editing.
What you instead do do, is first find a few (at least three, preferably no more than half a dozen) sources that meet the WP:GNG standard for notability, namely: secondary sources, which are reliable and independent of the subject, and which have provided of their own volition significant coverage of the subject. (See WP:42.) You then summarise, in your own words and without putting any additional 'spin' on things, what those sources have said, and cite them against the information they have provided as you go. This gives you in one fell swoop the content, the referencing, and the necessary proof of notability.
Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate the feedback. The paid-editing status may not even result in actual monetary exchange but I am helping the lab, and wanted to fully disclose that.
One last question before I review WP:GNG again and WP:42 -- was there something with 'spin' in the draft? If so, I'd like to improve it so it is entirely neutral. STRWikiUpdates (talk) 16:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@STRWikiUpdates: to be honest, I didn't check the text too carefully, because it was straight away obvious that I would have to decline it for the lack of referencing. I think there may have been a couple of peacock words, but nothing too blatant. I just made the 'spin' comment in a general sense: it's easy to summarise a source... and then add a bit of extra va-va-voom because you're wanting to portray your client (or your own organisation, or whatever it may be) in a positive light. (I don't mean 'you' specifically; I mean 'you' in the indefinite sense, of course.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That all makes perfect sense.
For the record, I've contributed donations to Wikipedia in my personal life because I believe it's one of humanity's greatest creations, so I really want to contribute objective content. Will keep working on improving this content. STRWikiUpdates (talk) 17:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@STRWikiUpdates: I'm pleased to hear that you wish to contribute to the project also in a wider sense. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Double Glazing

alright you couldve just said "hey man need help with the article? because im new :( and need help STARTING a draft for others to edit

(sorry for being rude but like im not a wikipedia slave ILovetodraw21940 (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've no idea what you're on about, but judging by some of your comments you seem to have a hard time playing nicely with others. My advice is to start minding your manners before you get into trouble. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion

FYI, I have contested your speedy deletion nomination of the draft Fabrice Prinz von Anhalt. 92.40.212.153 (talk) 11:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I filled out the references so they all have complete citations

The page for Tina Dimitrova has 8 references which all follow the proper format and are from reliable sources such as Bloomberg 2600:1008:B135:9246:391A:3701:7502:330C (talk) 13:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 09:41:05, 4 February 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Rojja1996



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Question from Ntswaki Rosy Mosibi on Traditional society (16:37, 5 February 2024)

Hi What is traditional societies --Ntswaki Rosy Mosibi (talk) 16:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 12:02:20, 7 February 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by 一般通过喜欢熊科动物的网友


Hello! Thank you very much for your review for my Draft:Guangdong Polytechnic Normal University. But I have a lot of questions, I hope you can help me explain, and reconsider my draft! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Guangdong_Polytechnic_Normal_University There is no doubt about this school's 60+ years of existence. For public schools in China, they are not allowed to give false content on their official websites, otherwise they will be sanctioned by the education department，and if you don't trust the sources I've added, Can check： https://yz.chsi.com.cn/sch/schoolInfo--schId-678246,categoryId-678248.dhtml . This is the official website of the Chinese Ministry of Education for graduate student enrollment. The enrollment brochure of the school on it is confirmed and certified by the education department and is a credible source.

As for why I did not emphasize the school's long history and excellent performance, it is because doing so would seem to promote the school. Besides, my English level is limited, so I did not include too much content about the school's strength, but I can re-add it if necessary!

Again, I hope you can reconsider my submission, thank you!

一般通过喜欢熊科动物的网友 (talk) 12:02, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@一般通过喜欢熊科动物的网友: we are happy to consider your draft again (I only declined it, I didn't reject it outright), but you must provide sources which demonstrate that the subject is notable. Almost all the citations are to the university's own website or other primary sources, which do not establish notability. Per WP:ORG, we need to see significant coverage of the university in multiple secondary sources (newspapers, magazines, TV and radio programmes, books, etc.) that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. And not only do you need to provide such sources, the draft should be based on a summary of what such sources say, not on what the university says about itself. Once you have made the necessary changes, you may resubmit the draft for another review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I gonna quote more official documents from the government and reports from registered Chinese media. 一般通过喜欢熊科动物的网友 (talk) 12:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@一般通过喜欢熊科动物的网友: no, not from the government; government publications are almost always primary sources, whereas we need to see secondary ones. Media outlets are much better, as long as they are reliable and independent. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Smartcake (talk) 15:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

rahhat shah kazmi

KINDLY GUIDE HOW TO FIX rahhat shah kazmi, THIS GOR DECLINED DUE TO WRONG REFFERENCING Hafzal Murbani (talk) 10:52, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome, sort of

Today WP:ANI has more than the usual number of attacks by new or unregistered editors against established editors, and in some cases the new editors have been blocked. Welcome to a strange club for now. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

January 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

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AfC notification: Draft:Rajkumar (2024 film) has a new comment

I've left a comment on my Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft talk:Rajkumar (2024 film). Thanks! নবাব (talk) 11:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for your comments and I can see that the page needs more sources but that's literary all the sources I can find for that tower. It's a building being built in a city almost no one cares about. Is there any other way I can get my draft approved, because I really tried my best and I even used other similar articles for reference to how to structure the page. Gamezilla2019 (talk) 20:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kostyantyn_Kopanishyn

for what reason was my article blocked? lack of sources? very strange, because 2 articles in Russian and Ukrainian were published. Why can’t I create a page about a man who defended the ideals of the free world at the cost of his life? rus: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87#:~:text=%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87%20(24%20%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8F,%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8B%2081%20%D0%9E%D0%90%D0%9C%D0%91%D1%80%20%D0%92%D0%A1%D0%A3. ukr: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%96%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 Kopanishyn (talk) 15:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kopanishyn: for the reasons I said in my comments, there is no evidence that the subject meets our notability criteria, and most of the information is unreferenced.
Please note that Wikipedia is not a website for hosting memorials, you will have to find a different venue for that.
Whether articles have been published on ru.wiki and uk.wiki is neither here nor there, as every language version of Wikipedia is an entirely separate project with their own policies and requirements. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:28, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding notability of the draft

Hey!

Thank you for commenting on the Draft:Shriya Lohia. You said "It is not notable for inclusion in Wikipedia".

Can you please guide me how can I improve this draft?

Does the problem is in the references or in the article write-up?

Please, guide me on this. Thank you!

Regards,

Nabeeha Nabeeha Virk (talk) 18:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DaSouChe Group

Dear DoubleGrazing, I am writing to request a re-consideration of my creation of an article about DaSouChe Group. All the citations are from major Chinese news outlet such as Sohu and 36Kr, and some of them are online reports of major Chinese news papers, such as 经济观察报. I think they should qualify as reliable sources. Could you reconsider my submission? Thanks. Paloaltoqin (talk) 09:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paloaltoqin: at the time when I reviewed it, the draft was completely unreferenced; you added those sources after my review. Besides, it has subsequently been reviewed by another reviewer, who also declined it, and the draft has not been edited since. As things stand, there is nothing to reconsider. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Draft:Harsh Jain

Hi @DoubleGrazing , this is regarding Draft:Harsh Jain - You have placed 'Review in progress' template on this draft and it's been more than 24hours since you have added this notice. Thought of checking with you first before putting this on Live Help as mentioned on the template. Kindly let me know the status/next steps. Thanks! Himalayan7914 (talk) 15:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Himalayan7914: are you in a hurry? If so, why? Wikipedia is not edited to a deadline.
What is your relationship with the subject of this draft, please? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am neither in a hurry nor do I have any relationship with the subject. The template says - "If this template has been unchanged for more than twelve hours, please ask for live help from our experienced editors", and I am relatively new to Wikipedia hence I asked. You can take your time. Apologies. And thanks! Himalayan7914 (talk) 15:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]


@DoubleGrazing

About Draft:Exemplar_Global

Hi @DoubleGrazing,

Thank you for reviewing Draft:Exemplar Global. You asked for multiple secondary sources that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. Please see citation #1, #3 and #14, which are government's websites. Citation #7, #9, #11 and #16 are independent industry authority organizations' websites. I believe they are reliable secondary sources. Thank you! EmmaNovember (talk) 01:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why you always reject my article

we saw since last 2 year you always reject our articles. is there any problem with us. i think you all just want to make monopoly to edit wikipedia. if you not accept our article then why you give the option to create article, we suggest remove it. website creation is much easier than to create article on wikipedia. wroast article platform. Controldeepak (talk) 07:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a Wikipedia editor (I'm not @DoubleGrazing), I must tell you that Wikipedia is NOT a website for promotion. As you stated yourself, making a website to advertise is far EASIER than trying to put it in WIkipedia. If you wanted anyone to accept your drafts, you would first need to understand Wikiepdia's policy on paid editing, notability, and reliability. Even then, I can't confirm that your draft would be accepted anyways ''Flux55'' (talk) 13:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Iveco Group

I see that you first declined this draft as Merge to Iveco, and then reverted your decline for another reviewer to look at it. It appears to me that merging is probably in order. So can you explain what your questions were, or why you reverted your decline? I am not saying that you made a mistake, but I want to know what your thoughts were. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon: I thought merge would be in order, but the author felt otherwise, and I couldn't come up with a clear-cut policy etc. reason either way, so thought I'd just pass the buck. I think it's a case of 'Nokia' the brand vs. 'Nokia' the corporation – how do you distinguish between them, and where do you draw the lines between what should or shouldn't be a separate article? I really don't know. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that usually one article about a company and its divisions and products is enough, and I think that corporate notability should be applied strictly when it comes to arguing that divisions or products are sufficiently notable for their own articles. I think that when an editor is persistent about wanting additional articles, they are probably a paid editor. So I declined the draft and have asked them to answer a question about conflict of interest. So I agreed with your initial call, and I was willing to answer your request for another reviewer. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello dear

@DoubleGrazing respected, we have made the necessary changes, we have set with our colleagues a source for each sentence, we plan to set up some more new sources independents. Are you satisfied and what else do you need to approve the draft? Мкдвики (talk) 10:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Мкдвики: I don't know which draft you're referring to, but if it's one I've declined, and you've made the necessary changes, then click on the blue 'submit' button and a reviewer will take a look at some point. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazingDraft:Aleksandar Saša Trajkovski - Wikipedia
Please look at it once again so that it is not rejected once again. Мкдвики (talk) 11:28, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Sierra Valley Gardens

You can now check all the sources I've provided. Thank you. Adhesivecobra17 (talk) 16:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Riffled

I had a suspicion he wasn't significant enough to qualify for a page anyhow, but coverage of drag racing here is so poor, I figured it couldn't hurt... Nitrobreather (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, might be worth to benchmark criterias

Hi DoubleGrazing

Thanks for the rigorous review and grammar edit suggestions on the Eero Vaara page. Worth mentioning that I have noticed academics with much less significant contributions having a page, but nevertheless I now know now much better the criterias etc. Dr. Rainbow Snuggles (talk) 09:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moi @Dr. Rainbow Snuggles,
Yes, there are all sorts of 'issues' among the 6.5m+ articles in the English-language Wikipedia, unfortunately. In the site's earliest era, people pretty much just wrote whatever came to their head, without bothering with such minor details as referencing. In the 'middle era', questions started to be asked around 'where is all this stuff coming from?' and 'how do we know any of it is true?' Now, in the modern era we've gone a step further, and require the information not only to be verifiable, but also need convincing that the subject is worthy of inclusion in the 'pedia, ie. that it is notable. But many of the articles from the earlier eras (and/or created by editors who learned their trade during those eras) haven't been brought up to the required standards, and hence there is a huge range in article quality. This is why we nowadays require new articles to comply with the relevant policies and guidelines, rather than merely matching the standard of some existing article out there; a sentiment expressed well in WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
All of which is a rather lengthy answer to a question you didn't even ask, really. :)
Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moikka. Thanks, this is hugely interesting! Shouldn´t there be some sort labeling of these for the reader in the beginning of the piece or on a top corner of the page? Kind of a 1-5 standard where the current modern era qualifies the best standard. Its kind of fundamentally different knowledge bases we are talking about. --@Dr. Rainbow Snuggles Dr. Rainbow Snuggles (talk) 11:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr. Rainbow Snuggles: there is the Content assessment system, which rates new articles when they are published (or when reviewed by new page patrol, if not done at the time of publishing). The WikiProjects whose area of interest an article comes under then reassess the articles occasionally. The current rating is shown on the article talk page, and also appears on top of the article page if you've opted (in your personal Preferences) to see the page meta info.
Additionally, readers can flag up issues such as insufficient referencing, questionable sources, etc. with maintenance tags, either inline or on top of the page (or section). Tags then cause those articles to be listed as requiring attention, and hopefully someone will get around to doing something about it at some point. But as we're all volunteers, and the number of articles needing attention is vast, 'hopefully' is very much the operative word there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing again thanks! Yes the Content Assessment totally answers the question, and this all is a rich resource for future works, Now noticing this for example with Science diplomacy editing requests.
It is wild how critical the content in Wikipedia has become, for search engines and OpenAI etc etc Dr. Rainbow Snuggles (talk) 12:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

Re this, see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Mxcronin. S0091 (talk) 17:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Myrmecophilioma (16:15, 20 February 2024)

hi, DoubleGrazing. I was wondering how to add an image to a page? -Myrmecophilioma --Myrmecophilioma (talk) 16:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Myrmecophilioma,
I assume you mean an image that has already been uploaded into Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Commons? In that case it's done like any wikilink, with double square brackets, pointing to the image file name (instead of to another page), for example:
[[File:Peppers-pan-S-1024x976.jpg|thumb]]
...which gives you:
A bowl of peppers
You'll notice that I placed a few optional parameters after 'pipes' ( | ), namely
  • thumb = makes it a thumbnail
  • left = floats the image to the left margin
  • text = captions the image
You can read more at WP:Images.
HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
hi DoubleGrazing
no, I want to add an image not in the wikipedia commons.
i did add the image I wanted to use but do I have to wait to use it?
I am extremely new here and all the formatting is a bit confusing.
yours, Myrmecophilioma Myrmecophilioma (talk) 17:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Myrmecophilioma: it looks like you may have used the WP:Files for upload process which is for unregistered users, and where uploads require approval by editors patrolling that feature. Since you do have a user account registered, you should be able to use the file upload wizard at WP:FUW instead, which is instantaneous. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thank you DoubleGrazing
I have figured it out and I appreciate you taking the time to assist me.
yours, Myrmecophilioma Myrmecophilioma (talk) 14:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Georg Eckert Institute

Hey @DoubleGrazing!
Thanks for your work and I understand why you declined my submission (for the new article).
Would you accept the profound Wikidata item Q1503374 as the (mentioned) ‘secondary sources to establish notability’? I also have to add the German article and all the current existing backlinks (to the main article).
Kind regards!
Sommer-gei (talk) 16:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sommer-gei: sorry, no – pretty much everything in the Wikipedia ecosystem is user-generated and therefore not considered reliable. We need to see significant coverage in multiple (3+) secondary sources (books, TV or radio programmes, newspapers, magazines, etc.) that are both reliable and entirely independent of the subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing: Thank you! (I don't understand, why wikidata references to very trusted and reliable secondary sources aren't enough for that proof, but I know you can't change that.) I'll try my best to produce some text with the required references. BR -- Sommer-gei (talk) 17:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sommer-gei: Wikidata's tag line is "The free knowledge base with 108,586,589 data items that anyone can edit." It's the "anyone can edit" part which makes it non-reliable, just like Wikipedia itself. If the Wikidata item cites reliable sources, then you can of course use those, but you cannot use the Wikidata item itself.
At any rate, even if the information is reliable, it only proves that such a subject (in this case your institute) exists; that, in and of itself, doesn't yet mean that it is notable. For notability, we need to see those secondary sources mentioned earlier. And notability is a fundamental requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

restore Article

Please restore the article as draft, I'll rewrite it with neutrality and resubmit it again. Noya Boi Bazar (talk) 10:04, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Noya Boi Bazar: I couldn't restore it if I wanted to, as I'm not an admin.
Wikipedia cannot be used for promotional activity of any sort, and attempts to do so may result in your account being blocked.
Regardless, your very next edit should be to disclose your conflict of interest in this subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:06, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i'll keep in mind. please restore my article as draft. Noya Boi Bazar (talk) 10:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Noya Boi Bazar: I told you already, I cannot restore it. Besides, it was a draft, and was deleted as promotional; why would it be restored? Anyway, you can ask the deleting administrator if they'll give it back to you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
where can i find him ? Noya Boi Bazar (talk) 10:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Goformeco (03:52, 24 February 2024)

Hi there,

I'm asking for your input about the draft I submitted that is titled, "Brad Cooney." The subject of the entry has a highly successful podcast, they were involved in the world of professional boxing via journalism, and they have been a part of successful documentaries/films. A Google search will confirm that they have a definite footprint in pop culture. After my first attempted article was rejected, I went back and found sources from a news station and other, more strong, independent sources. I completely recreated the entry, but I was rejected again. If the sources I used in the revision aren't strong enough for a concise wikipedia entry, then other entries that I planned on submitting won't be strong enough, either. It seems to me like the subject of the entry would qualify for a wiki article, but I doubt that I can discover any stronger sourcing than what I already have. Thanks very kindly. --Goformeco (talk) 03:52, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Brad Cooney — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goformeco (talk • contribs) 02:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure your reply to a query up above mine relates to my question: "@Sommer-gei: sorry, no – pretty much everything in the Wikipedia ecosystem is user-generated and therefore not considered reliable. We need to see significant coverage in multiple (3+) secondary sources (books, TV or radio programmes, newspapers, magazines, etc.) that are both reliable and entirely independent of the subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)"

I used one source from a news station, one from what is an online periodical. What I'm really asking is what constitutes, "notability"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goformeco (talk • contribs) 03:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

article refused

Hi, i've recently tried to create an english version of an already existing page on wikipedia, but unfortunately the request was dismissed.

Do you know how i should proceed ?

here's the link on the french wikipedia : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Timaitre

thank you for your help.

best regards.

Phantomlord66 (talk) 11:48, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Phantomlord66: I left comments with my review; basically, you need to reference it better. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok. thank you for your help.
i'll take care of it asap Phantomlord66 (talk) 11:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

article refused

Hi, references have been added.

thank you. Phantomlord66 (talk) 14:34, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Toyota G Transmission Draft

It appears that you have a personal issue with me. The article is properly sourced and is notable for wikipedia just like the articles regarding other Toyota transmissions that were created 2 decades ago. 12DionneJ (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@12DionneJ: I've already told you, publish it yourself if you're so sure that it complies with policy. Just beware that if it subsequently gets deleted, that will not only be the end of the road for this copy, it will make it considerably more difficult to recreate the article as the deletion will count against it.
Now, please stay away from my talk page. I already said I don't care for the insults, which you subsequently went on to repeat regardless, or for that matter for your tendentious approach. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jotform Sign Draft

Hi DoubleGrazing. I've just noticed that the page I created for Jotform Sign was deleted today. Actually it had been drafted about a month ago and I had just provided my reasoning to that editor. Since I didn't receive any response from that person, I proceeded with re-submission without any changes, and it got immediately deleted. But please see the response that I sent to other editor before making your final call. I believe that the topic is notable enough and should be reinstated but I respect to your decision and look forward to do as you say. Best regards,

Hi Tamburello, I can't see how the article meets the notability guidelines at its current state. Feel free to ping me if you think I'm wrong or have improved the article's sourcing. Justiyaya 09:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Justinyaya,
First of all, sorry the late response. I see your point as the article doesn't seem to contain too many independent resources. However, I was unable to provide them within the article because that way the article might have seemed more of a press release, which is also not allowed.
Let me try to explain it a little bit more. Jotform Sign is already regarded as a valuable tool by respectable aggregator websites like G2. You can even see Jotform Sign in top 5 in E-signature software category. As you know, G2 is a major review aggregator website and their ratings are taken very seriously by millions of people.
Thus, with all due respect, I'd like to say that this item is notable enough and kindly ask you to reinstate the article. If you have any more questions or would like me to make more additions accordingly, I'd be happy to proceed. Thanks. Tamburello (talk) 12:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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